Microsoft Exec Snaps Back at Fan Over Xbox One Resolution Issue

[Slegiar Dryke]

Oh, theres no rush, 1080/60 is something that was doen lnog ago everywhere but consoles.
and yes you CAN definatelly but a PC for 500 dollars that will run at 1080p 60 fps on same graphical level as consoles. in fact it will run so on higher graphical level. you have to remember that console graphical settings compared to PC would be "ultra low".

Key words in what I said are "Guaranteed", and "These Consoles". I know full well that some low cost computers can achieve 1080p/60. but it's not assured across said computers. Also, while I suppose there are some laptops you can find that could achieve these kind of stats and still be under or at 500. But I'm not sure how much that could be said for desktops.

granted, I'm of the mindset to always build my desktops, so I will claim no knowledge in what the pre-fab market is like, nor have I bought a new laptop in years. So on that front, I'm out of my area of expertise for the moment.

 

[Lightknight]

Do you agree with Ybarra that people should just play the game and stop obsessing over technical issues, or is Microsoft to blame for not releasing a stronger console?

Both. Microsoft is 100% to blame for producing a console that is so much weaker than ps4's at a more expensive price. Sure, they have their reasons (mandatory kinect 2), but still their choice.

That being said, the XBO is capable of that resolution and framerate. So he wasn't strictly wrong. The idea being that the guy was misinformed and the question was almost solely a solid ribbing (aka, trolling). People do need to be more informed.

As far as getting over technical issues. If it's actually an issue, then consumers should never get over it. People should get over specs except where specs cause an actual issue. Low resolution can impact the quality of the graphics (love them or hate them, people do pay for them) and therefore are a legitimate complaint where relevant.

But the fact is, racing games aren't usually that graphically demanding. Of course less demanding games should be playable in higher resolutions/fps. The problem as I see it is that if multiple games already aren't playing at a stable framerate at high resolutions then things are only going to get worse if it isn't just a firmware issue.

 

[chozo_hybrid]

Everybody is arguing about resolutions, and I'm just sitting here playing Mario on my Wii U at 1080p with 60 fps.

In all seriousness, I find it funny that these new machines aren't the power houses fans think they are, but it's early days. Games from the start of last gen didn't run as well as things from the last couple of years, give it time.

 

[Mixahman]

Weren't people asking for an Xbox 720 a few years back? Now that M$ gave it to them, they'll all crying about it. I've owned these systems and they failed constantly. I've been waiting for a better Nintendo console that is not a multimedia knockoff of PS or M$, doesn't have mii's or none of that bullshit cluttering the OS, a way better lifespan and gaming titles to match the other consoles (1st, 2nd & 3rd party devs), plus online implemented but the the number one reason to own one. A system we need, not a system we want.

M$ has always been a micro-pc dedicated to games, the 360 was an ad infested, wonky piece of garbage and the "One" is just a multimedia hub... that plays Xbox games. Plus you have to pay for online... get the fuck out of here.

It's odd that people think or wish to believe that we are in the new generation of gaming consoles when in fact "this" is an update to the previous one. Yes folks welcome to the 7.5 generation systems. A sub division of whacky control gimmicks, HD ports galore, sequels & remakes, plus the kick to the nads.... very little content for over price shit.

 

[Zipa]

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Arguing over puny numbers like 720p/1080p and 60fps when 120hz monitors are very mainstream now (I've had one for years now) and 4K is on the horizon seems kind of pathetic. Talk about bitter fighting for second place, Geez...

The 'ultra powerful supercomputer consoles' are looking kind of sad and limp already. In the next 5 years we will be seeing mobile devices that top those numbers with comparable rendering capabilities.

Damn right. It's a pretty sad state of affairs for this new gen.

I understand the need to limit the next graphics step-up due to ballooning costs, but that should mean that the focus ought to be on making the next-gen experience smooth and fluid.? That doesn't take the same time art assets do, surely? The fact these things are already looking dated upon their release is a worrying sign and doesn't really inspire me to go out and buy one. The lack of actual video games doesn't help either.

The thing is this isn't the gamers just taking pot-shots at them, they actively hyped up the technical capabilities of the Xbone above all else. Consoles live by the graphical sword and die by the graphical sword. This is of their own making, for years we have had "Look at our shiny resolution numbers, look at our magical Bloom effects! You need the most power to be a good game! If you've got less polygons you are shit!"

If you read any description of the Xbox one you will see more than 50% of it boasting about technical prowess. Here read this; " In addition to Xbox One's revolutionary architecture, the combination of its CPU, GPU, and ESRAM is like having a supercomputer in your living room" This is how they choose to define things.

The problem is we are also getting a whole new generation of corridor games, scared to leave the rails in-case their new shaders cause the framerate to go below their locked 30FPS and the graphical fidelity failed to live up to your next gen expectations. I wouldn't care if a game didn't have the brightest bloom effects if it was actually GOOD.

It is also outright bullshit , the new consoles (PS or Xbox) don't have a seperate CPU and GPU like most gaming PCs, they use APUs. (combined processor and graphics chip)

 

[Strazdas]

Oh, theres no rush, 1080/60 is something that was doen lnog ago everywhere but consoles.
and yes you CAN definatelly but a PC for 500 dollars that will run at 1080p 60 fps on same graphical level as consoles. in fact it will run so on higher graphical level. you have to remember that console graphical settings compared to PC would be "ultra low".

Key words in what I said are "Guaranteed", and "These Consoles". I know full well that some low cost computers can achieve 1080p/60. but it's not assured across said computers. Also, while I suppose there are some laptops you can find that could achieve these kind of stats and still be under or at 500. But I'm not sure how much that could be said for desktops.

granted, I'm of the mindset to always build my desktops, so I will claim no knowledge in what the pre-fab market is like, nor have I bought a new laptop in years. So on that front, I'm out of my area of expertise for the moment.

pretty much any new computer sold today will achieve 1080/60, unless your looking at somoen trying to get rid of their 4 year old stocks (that happens, poor people that get tricked by that).
Its very strange that you talked about laptops, considering laptops are the weaker and more expensive than desktops. It would not be so easy to find a bellow 500 dollar laptop that cna do that, desktop however - easy. Yes, i know some people look at alienware and think thats how much PCs cost. but its not. You should take alienware price and at minimum shave 50% off it.
as a person who claims to "build desktops" you should know better than to call laptops cheaper though, so i seriously doubt that statement. however even prebuilt desktops that are more expensive can achieve that.

In all seriousness, I find it funny that these new machines aren't the power houses fans think they are, but it's early days. Games from the start of last gen didn't run as well as things from the last couple of years, give it time.

the difference is, when last gen consoles came out they were mroe powerful than high end PCs at that time. now, they are less powerful than mid-range PCs, so theres not much pwoer to "tap". also due to the x86 architecture there wont be that "early days dont know how to code" excuse anymore. this is standart architecture that was used in pcs for DECADES. if they havent learn how to code on it by now they never will.

Weren't people asking for an Xbox 720 a few years back? Now that M$ gave it to them, they'll all crying about it.

M$ has always been a micro-pc dedicated to games, the 360 was an ad infested, wonky piece of garbage and the "One" is just a multimedia hub... that plays Xbox games. Plus you have to pay for online... get the fuck out of here.

They also asked for a competent console, but microsoft is still yet to deliver that.

and no, MS was not always a micro-pc, though admitedly PowerPC (Xbox 360 architecture) was clsoest to pc of the 3 consoles.

 

[Slegiar Dryke]

pretty much any new computer sold today will achieve 1080/60, unless your looking at somoen trying to get rid of their 4 year old stocks (that happens, poor people that get tricked by that).
Its very strange that you talked about laptops, considering laptops are the weaker and more expensive than desktops. It would not be so easy to find a bellow 500 dollar laptop that cna do that, desktop however - easy. Yes, i know some people look at alienware and think thats how much PCs cost. but its not. You should take alienware price and at minimum shave 50% off it.
as a person who claims to "build desktops" you should know better than to call laptops cheaper though, so i seriously doubt that statement. however even prebuilt desktops that are more expensive can achieve that.

I will admit, I'm a bit outdated on prebuilt and laptop knowledge, but I've never used Alienware as a baseline. In fact they've always felt more like apple to a degree, in so far as selling based on "Prestige" of the name, which frankly said practice ticks me off when its used to sell lower quality hardware, no matter how well it works for the end user. JUST my opinion though.

as a person who builds desktops, I WILL claim laptops are cheaper in my opinion. starting from nothing, even if you find a desktop that hits the target, you still need mouse, keyboard, screen etc. A laptop, one purchase, and you've got everything. I guess though...thinking on that would more classify as "Feeling" cheaper, by reduction of the amount of purchases.....depends on the individuals perspective and how they do things then......

in the end though, I don't claim to know everything up to date in the computer world and if you can manage to keep up with all the new stuff in terms of guaranteed frame rates and such, than bravo. If you want, I'll narrow my opinion down to "I personally don't care about always having 1080/60, be it console pc or mobile" and bow out.

 

[Strazdas]

I will admit, I'm a bit outdated on prebuilt and laptop knowledge, but I've never used Alienware as a baseline. In fact they've always felt more like apple to a degree, in so far as selling based on "Prestige" of the name, which frankly said practice ticks me off when its used to sell lower quality hardware, no matter how well it works for the end user. JUST my opinion though.

as a person who builds desktops, I WILL claim laptops are cheaper in my opinion. starting from nothing, even if you find a desktop that hits the target, you still need mouse, keyboard, screen etc. A laptop, one purchase, and you've got everything. I guess though...thinking on that would more classify as "Feeling" cheaper, by reduction of the amount of purchases.....depends on the individuals perspective and how they do things then......

in the end though, I don't claim to know everything up to date in the computer world and if you can manage to keep up with all the new stuff in terms of guaranteed frame rates and such, than bravo. If you want, I'll narrow my opinion down to "I personally don't care about always having 1080/60, be it console pc or mobile" and bow out.

Then we thing the same about Alienware.

You are wrong about laptops though. if you take a laptop of identical power a laptop will be more expensive than a desktop with everything included. and the gap increases the further from "low end" you go. ALso i disagree that you got everything with a laptop - two components are missing. That is a mouse, because lets be honest the trackpads are an awful way to control your mouse, and speakers, because laptop built in speakers are made to destroy sound.
It only feels cheaper as in you actually need to buy less seperate stuff, but if you count it its more expensive. unless you consider having a cheap 5 dollar speaker comparing it to 50 dollar one and saying they are equal therefore laptosp cheaper. that doesnt work though. if we want to compare we have to compare equal quality, and in that case desktops always win.

Keeping up with everything new is a task worthy of a full time job and i dont keep up with everything. i do try to know the highlights of computers world as it is my hobby....

 

[Roxas1359]

It's backwards compatible, so much so it can play game cube games, how does that make it worse?

Wii U can't play GameCube games. I mean, it can, but it won't because Nintendo locked out the ability for the Wii U to recognize GameCube game discs because there was no place to plug in the GameCube controllers.

 

[Glaice]

I'd rather have a game at 720p and better graphics settings than 1080p and worse settings.

720p is more than enough for my PC and I don't push it to the limit reswise.

 

[Lightknight]

Everybody is arguing about resolutions, and I'm just sitting here playing Mario on my Wii U at 1080p with 60 fps.

In all seriousness, I find it funny that these new machines aren't the power houses fans think they are, but it's early days. Games from the start of last gen didn't run as well as things from the last couple of years, give it time.

They are powerhouses comparatively. They're also powerful compared to the typical gaming pc and the optimizations that come with more experience with the console will also come with time.

The idea is that it is significantly more powerful than the previous generation (10x, which is incredible considering what was already possible at the end of the ps3 cycle) while still being within the price range that console consumers are more willing to pay. Is it a $1,000 pc? No. But it isn't as far away as some people may think when those optimisations come into play and with decent GPU/RAM in a world where the CPU is a glorified process switchboard operator anyways. There's a reason why games made for the ps3/360 still required PCs that had much more powerful hardware on paper (2gb RAM, newer CPUs, newer GPUs, etc). It wasn't because the ps3/360 hardware was secretly more powerful than the pcs with the same hardware. It's just because developers figure out how to make the most of every element in the box in a way that would cause a pc to explode due to the randomness of components.

We'll see though. The main problem with the XBO isn't that it isn't a $1,000 pc. The problem is that it's something like 50% weaker than the ps4 last I heard. Had the PS4 been weaker then it wouldn't be such an issue.

 

[thewatergamer]

Ehhh While I don't like trolls and yeah what the fan did wasn't exactly nice to say,

Micro$oft was hyping the Xbone to be superior to the PS4 and sometimes outright stated that "Oh yeah its better than the PS4"

So yeah while the fan isn't in the right, Micro$oft's employee isn't getting any sympathy from me either

 

[Scorpid]

Okay what angers me most about this post is the cowardice to a real question. A troll is someone in a community that is ONLY AND SIMPLY wants to get you mad (to notice his stupid existence)at him. EX: typing in all caps homophobic, anti semetic, or racist remarks. Not asking a goddamn legitimate question of someone who has the power to answer that question. It's why, for example, the white house calls a room the Press Briefing Room and not the Troll corral.