Microsoft Lifts Bans On Those Who Got Early Xbox Ones

[smithy_2045]

They do have the legal right to deny acsess to their own servers or ban people from using their services though, if a device or game needs them and you bought it with full knowledge that it needs those services you are shit out of luck.

Hence the false comfort of people wanting to cling onto little circular pieces of plastic in the belief that they "own" the game.

I said they had no right, not that it wasn't legal for them to do, although the legal side depends on where you live as in some places it would be illegal too.

So they legally have the right to do it, but you still claim that they have no right.

Good logic.

 

[RicoADF]

So they legally have the right to do it, but you still claim that they have no right.

Good logic.

Something being legal does not mean that it's right, also where you live will determine weather it is or isn't legal. I was saying it isn't morally correct to stop people playing the games they have purchased. If you can't understand that then I'm not wasting my time.

 

[smithy_2045]

So they legally have the right to do it, but you still claim that they have no right.

Good logic.

Something being legal does not mean that it's right, also where you live will determine weather it is or isn't legal. I was saying it isn't morally correct to stop people playing the games they have purchased. If you can't understand that then I'm not wasting my time.

You said "they had no right", not that it isn't morally right. If you meant that it isn't morally right, then you should've said that it isn't morally right, not that they had no right.

 

[FalloutJack]

so you may not "technically" need to patch the system but well...

The point that has been made in other threads and now here is that the PS4 will function as a gaming console out of the box and the X-Bone will not. It builds onto that by examining the slippery slope in Microsoft's actions that led to this, but essentially the point was that one actually WORKS.

 

[KingsGambit_v1legacy]

It was the only thing they could do. I'm not sure how praiseworthy it is to simply do the right thing in this case as they put the original ban on players in the first place. But whatever, things are right again for the early birds.

The footage from both demos looks pretty unimpressive. A generic brown MMS with nothing to sing about to be honest. Low poly models are low poly models, and frankly even an HD retexture of that map will still be generic brown MMS.

My first XB360 was banned because I played Borderlands before it's release date. Got my copy two days early, not realising that by playing it they'd flag me for banning. And there's no recourse at all, no explanation or appeal. Had to buy a new console entirely, then wait some months before I could make it my primary console for DLC and shit.

About the point someone made above about having to wait to play a game...I had that issue with DA2 on the PC. The DRM on it refused to even start the game until the official release date (I think it wouldn't decrypt the main exe file or something). Very frustrating, particularly as console owners who had it a day early could play it just fine (as my friend constantly made me aware).

 

[Strazdas]

And with the playstation when you say "(meaning that it is, you know, READY and complete), you play it." I assume you meant to say "you play it. After you download the obligatory 300mb patch"?

You can play PS4 games without downloading the patch.
you cant play Xbox1 games without downloading the patch.
Im sure you can spot the difference.

Clearly, we're expanding the definition.

No, we are misusing it. To the point where we got definitions of miracle and literally changed.

Steam letting you pre-download your games is an intentional FEATURE. Would you be happier if you had to wait until launch to download that massive 20GB game, just because the game you paid for wasn't on your computer yet? I seriously doubt it.

Technically you don't even need to go that far. Steam Pre-download is not a complete game. It emits some crucial files and if you crack the download files they will not work. Some games (Silent Hill: Reunion) did not do this and pirates were playing it couple weeks before its official release. So pre-download on steam isn't actually a working game till the last files are downloaded on launch day.

Ah, okay. For some reason or another you have to wait for some magical switch to play your game. No, I'm sorry mate, you cannot play your game that you've brought and downloaded onto your PC. Just what is the bloody point of it?

Its not hard to crack steams DRM and get the pre-downloaded files. Thing is - you wont be able to play them. Because steam pre-download is not a complete game. they specially omit critical files to make the game unplayable. So even if you were able to play what you pre-download it wont work.

 

[FalloutJack]

The Futurological Congress

Now now, man. Words change and expand all the time. Some of their use HAS been crap, but I don't think this is a wrong use. I think that it's merely the expansion of a slang term, which is not concrete in nature.

 

[Strazdas]

The Futurological Congress

Now now, man. Words change and expand all the time. Some of their use HAS been crap, but I don't think this is a wrong use. I think that it's merely the expansion of a slang term, which is not concrete in nature.

sort of like how person turning on the PC became a "nerd" and being able to cook eggs are "amazing chef talent". internet has bastardized the language. Yes, meanings change. They should nto change because few people dont know how to use the term and use it for almost completely opposite though.

 

[FalloutJack]

Poit

I'm thinking you're being a little extreme there. This isn't improper in my opinion.

 

[Infernal Lawyer]

What? Stop me if I'm on the wrong track, but are you honestly complaining because you PRE-ORDERED a game, and Steam lets you download it early so you don't have to wait for it to download after the launch date?

I'm sorry, but that's a right false equivalency right there. People getting their console early is a mistake made by the distributors, Steam letting you pre-download your games is an intentional FEATURE. Would you be happier if you had to wait until launch to download that massive 20GB game, just because the game you paid for wasn't on your computer yet? I seriously doubt it.

Ah, okay. For some reason or another you have to wait for some magical switch to play your game. No, I'm sorry mate, you cannot play your game that you've brought and downloaded onto your PC. Just what is the bloody point of it?

Even so, for the people who receive their physical copy earlier from Amazon, they are in the same situation. Just be another Steam fanboy if you want but don't be so high and mighty about it.

I'm only a Steam fanboy on Tuesdays. On weekends I call out people when they're wrong regardless of loyalties.

I already explained to you what the 'point' was. In a perfect world, everyone gets to play their game on launch day, i.e. your 'magical switch'. However, for those who choose to buy digitally (especially people like me who can barely call their plan 'broadband'), doing so means you have to wait for the game to download after launch, while everyone else gets to play their shiny new game (and for me, that can mean half a week in some cases). So when I pre order a game, being able to download a game before the launch means I'm not unfairly punished just because I decide to buy digitally.

Comparing this to someone at Amazon screwing up some paperwork is comparing apples to oranges. The simple fact that they aren't deliberately sending people their consoles before the launch date makes all the difference in the world.

Your problem seems to be that launch days are irrelevant because Steam lets you download the games before then. So you wouldn't have a problem if Valve just "sorry, you have to wait half a week to download that massive new AAA game while everyone else gets to enjoy it, #dealwithit", just because the game you bought wasn't ready to play on launch hour?

I'm sorry, call me a fanboy if you must, but you're complaining that Valve is trying to put you on par with physical games, rather than better, which is vastly different from Microsoft treating customers like criminals just because a distributor fucks up. False equivalency.

Oh right, what Stradaz said is true. Good luck trying to use use the 'totally ready to play and unfairly gated off' game that's on your computer. Even if you hacked into it, it's still useless because it's NOT actually the full game. One could even argue that they're preventing you from using it just so your computer doesn't crash. So again, Valve is just giving 99% of the game, INTENTIONALLY, to all customers.

 

[Strazdas]

Poit

I'm thinking you're being a little extreme there. This isn't improper in my opinion.

When language is changed because somone fails at pronouncing it (provided that somone is US president), extreme is the only way to go about it.

 

[FalloutJack]

Poit

I'm thinking you're being a little extreme there. This isn't improper in my opinion.

When language is changed because somone fails at pronouncing it (provided that somone is US president), extreme is the only way to go about it.

But again, I don't believe that's what's happened here. I think you're letting it worry you too much. If you want to fight against the degradation of the english language, get all the internet jargon (LOL, IMO, WTF, and so on) out of my goddamn dictionary. This is hardly the battle to fight.

 

[Use_Imagination_here]

Spoiler

I don't really see a problem. They payed for an XBOX 1 on launch day. They have now received an XBOX 1 pretty much on launch day.

I don't see any moral or legal right that they had to something more then what they payed for. As in Microsoft has a legal and moral obligation to give people what they knowingly spent money for, and not any more then that.

Besides the Escapist link at least very clearly states that they only barred his internet use, so he can still use the bloody thing just not stream with it.

I mean what has he lost here? The ability to play online with people who don't exist?

 

[Strazdas]

Poit

I'm thinking you're being a little extreme there. This isn't improper in my opinion.

When language is changed because somone fails at pronouncing it (provided that somone is US president), extreme is the only way to go about it.

But again, I don't believe that's what's happened here. I think you're letting it worry you too much. If you want to fight against the degradation of the english language, get all the internet jargon (LOL, IMO, WTF, and so on) out of my goddamn dictionary. This is hardly the battle to fight.

Bricked means that a electrical device is broken beyond ability to fix it and needs to be replaced. (it is essentialy a brick, paperweight, ect)
Bricked is used for: console oveheats. I fail to isntall patch correctly. I get banned from multiplayer. I get banned from console and need to flash it because i dared to modify a product i own[footnote]also i shuld expect a court order because i commited a crime thats worthy of 2 years of jail, at lest in italy[/footnote].
The two are not the same.

Also LOL, IMO and WTF are not in any dictionary i know. They arent even words, but abbrevations. Better exampels would be Whelp and nuculer.

 

[FalloutJack]

Poit

I'm thinking you're being a little extreme there. This isn't improper in my opinion.

When language is changed because somone fails at pronouncing it (provided that somone is US president), extreme is the only way to go about it.

But again, I don't believe that's what's happened here. I think you're letting it worry you too much. If you want to fight against the degradation of the english language, get all the internet jargon (LOL, IMO, WTF, and so on) out of my goddamn dictionary. This is hardly the battle to fight.

Bricked means that a electrical device is broken beyond ability to fix it and needs to be replaced. (it is essentialy a brick, paperweight, ect)
Bricked is used for: console oveheats. I fail to isntall patch correctly. I get banned from multiplayer. I get banned from console and need to flash it because i dared to modify a product i own[footnote]also i shuld expect a court order because i commited a crime thats worthy of 2 years of jail, at lest in italy[/footnote].
The two are not the same.

Also LOL, IMO and WTF are not in any dictionary i know. They arent even words, but abbrevations. Better exampels would be Whelp and nuculer.

I fail to see why this cannot apply, since a term in the english language can be slanged to it legitimately for having properties similar to the effect in mind.

My console has over heated, it is now as useful as a brick.
The patch is incorrect, and thus the console is brick-like.
I got banned (which should NEVER happen), and so it's a frigging brick.

By these tokens, anytime the console is useless, it is a brick. We have established here and for many that the thing won't even play games on start-up. It is pre-bricked and permanently under the thumb of the company, its creators. That sounds wholey bricky to me.

 

[Strazdas]

I fail to see why this cannot apply, since a term in the english language can be slanged to it legitimately for having properties similar to the effect in mind.

My console has over heated, it is now as useful as a brick.
The patch is incorrect, and thus the console is brick-like.
I got banned (which should NEVER happen), and so it's a frigging brick.

By these tokens, anytime the console is useless, it is a brick. We have established here and for many that the thing won't even play games on start-up. It is pre-bricked and permanently under the thumb of the company, its creators. That sounds wholey bricky to me.

Your examples are as good as saying that my head literally exploded reading your reply. As in - not very. As neither of those actually mean that the console bricked. Thats called ignorance.

 

[FalloutJack]

I fail to see why this cannot apply, since a term in the english language can be slanged to it legitimately for having properties similar to the effect in mind.

My console has over heated, it is now as useful as a brick.
The patch is incorrect, and thus the console is brick-like.
I got banned (which should NEVER happen), and so it's a frigging brick.

By these tokens, anytime the console is useless, it is a brick. We have established here and for many that the thing won't even play games on start-up. It is pre-bricked and permanently under the thumb of the company, its creators. That sounds wholey bricky to me.

Your examples are as good as saying that my head literally exploded reading your reply. As in - not very. As neither of those actually mean that the console bricked. Thats called ignorance.

No, that's called creativity and I'll thank you never to insult me again.

 

[Strazdas]

I fail to see why this cannot apply, since a term in the english language can be slanged to it legitimately for having properties similar to the effect in mind.

My console has over heated, it is now as useful as a brick.
The patch is incorrect, and thus the console is brick-like.
I got banned (which should NEVER happen), and so it's a frigging brick.

By these tokens, anytime the console is useless, it is a brick. We have established here and for many that the thing won't even play games on start-up. It is pre-bricked and permanently under the thumb of the company, its creators. That sounds wholey bricky to me.

Your examples are as good as saying that my head literally exploded reading your reply. As in - not very. As neither of those actually mean that the console bricked. Thats called ignorance.

No, that's called creativity and I'll thank you never to insult me again.

Ok now you do have to explain where do you think i was insulting you?

 

[FalloutJack]

Snip

You have lambasted my legitimate and clever answers and inferred if not stated outright that I am ignorant.

You have forgotten the face of your father, gunslinger.