Missouri Man Pleads Guilty To Possession of "Cartoon" Child Porn

[Impluse_101]

Here's something to think about, If this does go down the road of Oh god why...
Then will there be a Virtual Children/People Civil Rights Movement?

 

[Twilight_guy]

Last time I checked, virtual child pornography was exempt. I guess that's changed in last few years.

Also, why the fuck is this on the Escapist? No, serious. What in the heck does this have to do with gaming in any way shape or form? Does the Escapist just publish any story it feels like rather then one that fits it's website's theme? Why is this here?

Also, a laugh at all the people who are all riled up because 'nobody got hurt!' and 'he can do what he wants!'. It sounds if you completely fail to get the other side of the argument, and that's a far worse crime then what this guy did.

I don't want to get the other side of the argument because the other side of the argument advocates thought crimes and throwin people in jail based off the possibility that they might one day do somethin.

People who have that kind of mindset, where if somethin is icky and gross it should be wiped off the face of the earth, those kind of people sicken me far more than a pedophile who hasn't actually done anythin.

I always kind of wondered where this falls in relation to hate crime and crimes of planning. For example, burning a cross isn't illegal but burning a cross that then beating a black guy makes your punishment more severe. Planning out how to murder a guy and never actually doing it can still get you arrested. Certain actions that shows a 'clear and present danger' can get you arrested even if nobody got hurt and the person never intended to do anything with them.

 

[Loop Stricken]

Here's something to think about, If this does go down the road of Oh god why...
Then will there be a Virtual Children/People Civil Rights Movement?

Err... no. The opposite, actually. As it stands, virtual/nonexistant entities seem to be considered living things in the eye of the law.

Which is bloody stupid.

 

[Denamic]

Pedophiles do not abuse children, nor are they really a threat to children. They just have unfortunate tastes that they can't help. Like I won't rape women just because I'm straight. Sympathy is more suitable than contempt, because they will probably never have a fulfilling sex life, unless they have a thing for adults too. Just let them have their fiction. It's not real and won't hurt anyone, and lets pedophiles have an outlet for their desires.

To reiterate: Pedophilia and child abuse are very different things.

 

[Icehearted]

Ah, the American justice system strikes again.

I've seen rapists and child molesters go free. You can legally murder someone if they step on your lawn in places like Texas. Drunk driving, at most a slap on the wrist for first time offenders, if that much. Women have mutilated men sexually and gotten off with a year or less, and in many cases the damage is irreparable.

But god help you if you've got cartoon drawing people dislike. Loli's not my thing, but it's just drawings.

Consider this: what if the images were of children being brutally murdered? Is that also against the law? Is it then better to draw children in sexual acts or in acts of being mutilated violently? I'll bet this fellow's story would have ended in counseling at most for had it been violence and not sex.

 

[Impluse_101]

Here's something to think about, If this does go down the road of Oh god why...
Then will there be a Virtual Children/People Civil Rights Movement?

Err... no. The opposite, actually. As it stands, virtual/nonexistant entities seem to be considered living things in the eye of the law.

Which is bloody stupid.

Oh my.
Me: So when I draw a pony, am I drawing porn cause it has no clothes on?
Law: YES
Me: OH NO!~

 

[shintakie10]

Last time I checked, virtual child pornography was exempt. I guess that's changed in last few years.

Also, why the fuck is this on the Escapist? No, serious. What in the heck does this have to do with gaming in any way shape or form? Does the Escapist just publish any story it feels like rather then one that fits it's website's theme? Why is this here?

Also, a laugh at all the people who are all riled up because 'nobody got hurt!' and 'he can do what he wants!'. It sounds if you completely fail to get the other side of the argument, and that's a far worse crime then what this guy did.

I don't want to get the other side of the argument because the other side of the argument advocates thought crimes and throwin people in jail based off the possibility that they might one day do somethin.

People who have that kind of mindset, where if somethin is icky and gross it should be wiped off the face of the earth, those kind of people sicken me far more than a pedophile who hasn't actually done anythin.

I always kind of wondered where this falls in relation to hate crime and crimes of planning. For example, burning a cross isn't illegal but burning a cross that then beating a black guy makes your punishment more severe. Planning out how to murder a guy and never actually doing it can still get you arrested. Certain actions that shows a 'clear and present danger' can get you arrested even if nobody got hurt and the person never intended to do anything with them.

Clear and present danger isn't actually as broad as some people seem to think it is. Can you get carted to jail until your court date fairly easily based off it? Yes. However courts are very strict about what actually constitutes a clear and present danger because they try not to delve into the realm of thought police.

In your example, a person who set up plans to do somethin can in fact be sent to jail. However without any evidence other than a plan a judge would throw out that case so fast it'd make the prosecutors head spin.

 

[shintakie10]

Pedophiles do not abuse children, nor are they really a threat to children. They just have unfortunate tastes that they can't help. Like I won't rape women just because I'm straight. Sympathy is more suitable than contempt, because they will probably never have a fulfilling sex life, unless they have a thing for adults too. Just let them have their fiction. It's not real and won't hurt anyone, and lets pedophiles have an outlet for their desires.

To reiterate: Pedophilia and child abuse are very different things.

This is probably the most uninformed and blindingly stupid statement I've ever read, the kind of thing someone would say a few days before a pedophile runs out and kidnaps a kid, just to put some karmic shame on the speaker. It's the kind of thing a pedophile would say to put some kind of positive spin on the topic.

Pedophilia is not a sexual orientation, it's a mental instability, an obsessive compulsion. Cartoons aren't an "outlet," they're a stepping stone. The "novelty" of looking at drawings will wane, and he'll start looking for stronger stuff. Soon it will be hidden chat rooms where he can download thousands of pictures of abused children from fellow pedophiles, but soon even that will wane. The compulsion only gets stronger, especially if it is indulged, even in small ways, like looking at cartoons of the subject.

And for your blatant misuse of free speech to spread ignorance, I award you -4,000,000 internet points, which can never be replenished in any way except to put yourself in front of a camera and give a tear-streaked and honest apology to the world for your pants-crapping-stupid remarks. Reddit have mercy on your soul.

Homosexuality was considered a mental instability not that long ago too. We used to (some sick fucks still do) send homosexuals to mental facilities, gave them shock therapy or forcibly drugged them because we were afraid they'd be a threat to society because they were different. Now society has realized that was some sick fucked up shit we used to do and don't do it anymore because we've stopped considerin it a mental instability.

That same thing needs to happen when it comes to pedophiles. We can't punish people for what they might do and what they think about because the mere act of thinkin about somethin is not a crime.

 

[RobfromtheGulag]

Yeah, who cares if he's a pedophile?

Spoiler: STOP. DO NOT QUOTE ME YET.

I made a clarification to the argument above a few posts down. Now, onto your regularly scheduled post.

Yep, gonna have to quote ya.

If the guy was a pedophile, they should have found something incriminating on there, not a bunch of drawings. They took his computer. They couldn't find the CP, so they roll over on this tired old technicality. Like trying to arrest a guy for burlary then when he's innocent get him for J-walking.


Besides of which there are so many foggy variables in these sorts of scenarios. What's obscene? Yea, if you get a bunch of 60 year old conservatives up there they'll probably think Debbie does Dallas is obscene, but there's a lot worst stuff legally out there than that. Then the whole age thing.

<a href=http://imgur.com/hFkKp>How old is this character?

If you didn't know any better, you'd say something like '8 years old.'. But no, the otaku have this loophole going where 'She just looks young'. That's <a href=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honey_and_Clover#Main_characters>Hagu so-and-so from Honey & Clover and she's something like 20. Is this sketchy as hell? Yes, but it is a technical loophole to something that shouldn't have been an issue in the first place (drawings -- imaginary).


Pretty soon they'll be locking people up for fantasizing. Thought police here we come.

 

[Denamic]

Pedophiles do not abuse children, nor are they really a threat to children. They just have unfortunate tastes that they can't help. Like I won't rape women just because I'm straight. Sympathy is more suitable than contempt, because they will probably never have a fulfilling sex life, unless they have a thing for adults too. Just let them have their fiction. It's not real and won't hurt anyone, and lets pedophiles have an outlet for their desires.

To reiterate: Pedophilia and child abuse are very different things.

This is probably the most uninformed and blindingly stupid statement I've ever read, the kind of thing someone would say a few days before a pedophile runs out and kidnaps a kid, just to put some karmic shame on the speaker. It's the kind of thing a pedophile would say to put some kind of positive spin on the topic.

That's a very subtle way of calling me a pedophile, well done.

Pedophilia is not a sexual orientation, it's a mental instability, an obsessive compulsion. Cartoons aren't an "outlet," they're a stepping stone. The "novelty" of looking at drawings will wane, and he'll start looking for stronger stuff. Soon it will be hidden chat rooms where he can download thousands of pictures of abused children from fellow pedophiles, but soon even that will wane. The compulsion only gets stronger, especially if it is indulged, even in small ways, like looking at cartoons of the subject.

Oh, of course. If someone likes something, they must necessarily take that activity further and further, to its maximum possible point, eschewing all rhyme and reason in the process. That's why paraphilias in general are the greatest threat humanity faces.
Obviously, since this is such common knowledge, you don't need any kind of data to make such wild statements.

And for your blatant misuse of free speech to spread ignorance, I award you -4,000,000 internet points, which can never be revoked in any way until you put yourself in front of a camera and give a tear-streaked and honest apology to the world for your pants-crapping-stupid remarks. Reddit have mercy on your soul.

I'm sorry, but I ran out of sarcasm.

 

[Sonic Doctor]

So we can arrest people based on thoughts, huh, I didn't realize we had caught up with science fiction that deals with crazy-police tactics and laws.

Hang on, his WIFE tattled on him?

While everyone seems to be concentrating on the pornography part, I find this extremely amusing. They must have such a trusting relationship...

That was what I was going to say. Yup what a wife he had, no "Honey, why did you look at this stuff? Do you have a problem, is there some way I can help you get over this?"

Nope, she just reacted in a way like, "Oh my God!! Police, police! Where's the police?!!?!"

Yeah, this guy picked a real winner for a wife.

Opinions hold a lot of weight in court.

It would in my state. My brother is finding out the hard way that our state has absolutely no law on the books that says that hearsay can't be used as evidence.

I'm not going to go into detail, but I will just say that, he was accused of doing something by someone else. There are no witnesses, no evidence whatsoever, just the hearsay.

Guess what, his case has been dragged out for at least four months already. There was also the oh so wonderful fact as well that when this all started, the sheriff came to arrest him, and he was in jail for a whole day before he was released on bail, then finally the next day was when he found out what he was being charged with. Before that, nobody would tell him.

I use to have at least some respect for the justice system until this happened to him.

 

[Mik0ri]

This is why it's hard to take systems of government seriously - they persecute people for getting caught doing things that everyone semi-openly does.
Show me someone who doesn't have something illegal on their hard drive, seriously. Then show me someone who actually tries to hide it. Piracy, for example, is so widely ingrained in pop culture that even the most tech-useless grandparents know all about it and accept it as useful.

 

[OtherSideofSky]

The biggest problem with obscenity laws is that it is impossible to know if one is breaking them at any given time. They rely entirely on local standards, without any written code, so that what is legal in one location may not be in the next town over (there are cases where a person has been exonerated in southern Florida and then convicted of the same thing in northern Florida).

 

[ZippyDSMlee]

If they can go after fake porn they can go after anyone who dares question authority.........

 

[Arizona Kyle]

I think this is a good reason to never get married.

Also

>pleading guilty to a charge he knows is bullshit

What a pussy.

well he has two options.... he can fight it (which with a good laywer he can win)

or

he can get rammed up the ass by the legal system and get WAY more than this

Something tells me he isn't being told everything and that he probably isn't in the best mental condition to be making decisions right now. Hence why he has decided to make a plea

that or he has no money because his wife took all the funds from their bank and he is super bonned

 

[DrOswald]

I have a gif of Mario fucking Peach and every other frame he gets a 1UP. Does that make me a rapist?

What part of my post even remotely implies that?

This part:

Because if he had child porn on his computer, that means he was sexually attracted to children. This goes beyond a weird fetish, it means that there is something very seriously, objectively wrong with him, and it would be best for everyone, including himself, he is "cured"...I'm not exactly sure how effective therapy is with this stuff, but it's better then just letting him be.

I have Mario fucking Peach on my computer but I assure you, I am not interested in rape nor fucking Peach.

Back in the 80's Guns N Roses had a "rape scene" on the inside cover of their first album. It was censored but the first print had it and I had a copy of that print. I even had a poster of it on my wall. Did that make me a rapist? Do writers of horror flicks become serial murderers.

If you were sexually attracted to the IDEA of raping someone, then you would be at greater RISK of becoming a rapist. That's all I'm saying.

So you really are advocating thought policing.

Dude, you're messed up.

So you really are advocating pedophilia. Dude, you are messed up. See how this works?

This is not the same thing as "thought policing". People don't have the inherent right to be mentally unstable. There's a line between "has a creepy fetish" and "risk to society". I don't claim to know where that line is. I'm just saying I know which side pedophilia is on. Please, don't put words out of my mouth.

No one should ever be punished for being an unproven risk to society. I find it astounding and tragic anyone could think otherwise.

And yes, state mandated therapy (and anything else this person may be required to do) is a punishment.

I would rather have closet pedophiles than an active thought police. And, despite your protests, what you purpose is indeed thought policing. Thought policing is, by definition, the act of policing thoughts. You have purposed that if evidence is found that an individual thinks incorrect thoughts that individual should be punished.

You are advocating thought policing. That may come as a shock, you will probably resist this fact, but it is true. You can either change your view or not, your choice, but if you choose to not change know without any doubt that you are an advocate of thought policing.

 

[Zack Alklazaris]

I didn't realize this is was even illegal considering no actually children were harmed. Whats next are we going to start a book ban? Because there are plenty of books with descriptions of nude children. Neil Gaiman and Orson Scott Card just to name a few.

I hate defending a pedophile, but really this law seems illegal.

 

[RobfromtheGulag]

Pedophilia is not a sexual orientation, it's a mental instability, an obsessive compulsion. Cartoons aren't an "outlet," they're a stepping stone. The "novelty" of looking at drawings will wane, and he'll start looking for stronger stuff. Soon it will be hidden chat rooms where he can download thousands of pictures of abused children from fellow pedophiles, but soon even that will wane. The compulsion only gets stronger, especially if it is indulged, even in small ways, like looking at cartoons of the subject.

Just like guys looking at MLP smut are time bombs waiting to burst into the nearest barn and have their way with all the unsuspecting equines.

 

[Zing]

That's just silly. Prison time? Really? These people should not be jailed if there is no victim, no one was hurt. That said, mandatory psychological help should still be given out in these kinds of cases I think.