Missouri Man Pleads Guilty To Possession of "Cartoon" Child Porn

[snekadid]

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Just read the rest of the thread. I've responded to this exact argument 5 times. And counting.

It was rhetorical. It seems this needs to be repeated for your benefit.

OK then...My definition of a pedophile is someone who is sexually attracted to children. People who have child porn (animated or otherwise) fall into that category, as far as I'm concerned.

Now, instead of being vague and condescending, how about you tell me YOUR definition of a pedophile, (something we seem to disagree on) and then we can try to make this discussion actually WORTH something?

Being a pedophile does mean you are sexually attracted to children at one level or another whether it is in the form of attraction to physical attributes or a psychological attraction to aspects of the child stereotype. The problem with your argument is that being a pedophile isn't illegal, its a mental state that cannot be adjusted much like being homosexual or attracted to big butts.

Only the act of having sex with a child is illegal or having pornographic proof that a child had sex, this law has been misused constantly due to the openness of the interpretation which was intentionally left vague so that it can be called upon squash things that go outside certain peoples views of what is "right".

The argument for the "loli" comics is the same as violent video games, it lets you get it out of your system. If you have the physical or psychological need to do something and you repress it completely then it only results in it exploding in an often violent fashion, take note of the origin of the term going postal. By providing outlets for base urges that are either socially unacceptable or dangerous to yourself or others, it can very well prevent actual events from happening.

The argument that such things can promote the occurrence of the event is flawed into obsolescence as anyone unstable enough that they can actually be convinced to do something just because they saw a depiction of it or read about it are unstable enough to think of it themselves or find the real thing .

I in no way endorse actual child pornography or abuse, however I see no problem what so ever in roleplay videos or animated or printed depictions that caused no one pain or suffering in their creation.

 

[DugMachine]

This just further justifies destroying my PC whenever a police officer gets within twenty feet of the front door.

I know someone who has a thermite bomb permanently on top of their hard drive.
In the event of a raid, all he needs to do is light the thermite, and bye-bye data!

Damn that's awesome I should look into that. I was thinking of just yanking out my hard drive, smashing it into tiny bits and flushing it down a toilet. Thermite though... that would be glorious.

 

[Legion]

Ok, i get that its only drawings of child porn. But if your buying this stuff dont you think it might lead to attacking or atleast stalking real children? Its obvious he has a thing for kiddies. He is already playing to a fantasy already and these things will lead to another.

I know.

For example I played Dragon Age the other day, and I was chopping peoples heads off. Then before I knew it I was ordering swords online, and booking lessons on how to use them.

Somebody please stop me before I hurt someone...

Or realise that fantasy =/= reality nor does fiction =/= reality.

 

[idarkphoenixi]

3 years? Damn thats total bullshit. It was just some drawings and whether you're into that stuff or not, the fact of the matter is he wasn't hurting anyone by having that stuff on his computer. It's not like with real child porn where a kid is actually being abused.

I'm not saying what he did was right, at least on a moral basis, but if they could only find cartoons on his computer and not the real thing then chances are he is not a pedophile and wasn't a danger to anyone around him.

Even if you are going to make cartoons illegal, 3 fucking years?? People have got less for ACTUALLY molesting kids.

 

[Doom972]

I'm guessing even with a jury his chances aren't very good. There's nothing wrong in masturbating to drawings - no matter what they are. This law is outdated and harmful.

Also, that's one disgusting wife.

 

[Nickolai77]

What a load of crap. They weren't real pictures and apparently were "cartoons". Why it's still in quotations I don't know.

Either way, this poor sob is now gonna waste potentially 3 years of his life in prison where he'll possibly be raped once news spreads of his 'crime'. He never touched a kid but I bet the ignorant fuck ups that inhabit jail will take it as child pornography and harass him all the same.

Fuck you Missouri and fuck your obscenity laws. And for the wife... some wife you are.

All the obscenity laws are doing is making criminals out of otherwise law abiding citizens. Putting him in prison will make him more of a dangerous individual than he was before hand. When he comes out he's going to be psychologically damaged from the experience, he'll have fewer opportunities to find good honest work, and he's going to come into contact with people like drug dealers and thief's who'll teach him a few tricks of their trade if they don't abuse him. It wouldn't surprise me if after he's released he re-offends and brought before the court for a different crime where he's actually harmed someone. Pragmatically speaking, it's a waste of taxpayers money and morally speaking it's vile.

"Nothing can be more abhorrent to democracy than to imprison a person or keep him in prison because he is unpopular. This is really the test of civilization."- Winston Churchill

 

[Loop Stricken]

This just further justifies destroying my PC whenever a police officer gets within twenty feet of the front door.

I know someone who has a thermite bomb permanently on top of their hard drive.
In the event of a raid, all he needs to do is light the thermite, and bye-bye data!

Do you actually know someone who actually has an actual thermite charge on their actual tower, or just says they do?

Are they a colossal pervert?

Is this person you?

 

[DugMachine]

What a load of crap. They weren't real pictures and apparently were "cartoons". Why it's still in quotations I don't know.

Either way, this poor sob is now gonna waste potentially 3 years of his life in prison where he'll possibly be raped once news spreads of his 'crime'. He never touched a kid but I bet the ignorant fuck ups that inhabit jail will take it as child pornography and harass him all the same.

Fuck you Missouri and fuck your obscenity laws. And for the wife... some wife you are.

All the obscenity laws are doing is making criminals out of otherwise law abiding citizens. Putting him in prison will make him more of a dangerous individual than he was before hand. When he comes out he's going to be psychologically damaged from the experience, he'll have fewer opportunities to find good honest work, and he's going to come into contact with people like drug dealers and thief's who'll teach him a few tricks of their trade if they don't abuse him. It wouldn't surprise me if after he's released he re-offends and brought before the court for a different crime where he's actually harmed someone. Pragmatically speaking, it's a waste of taxpayers money and morally speaking it's vile.

"Nothing can be more abhorrent to democracy than to imprison a person or keep him in prison because he is unpopular. This is really the test of civilization."- Winston
Churchill

Thank you. Exactly my thoughts but you put it way more eloquently.

 

[Kopikatsu]

Considering they're far more likely than not talking about hentai, I really think you're overstepping it by calling the guy a pedophile. Saying it makes you a pedophile is along the lines of equating all games to being willing to commit actual violence.

Or I guess in a more direct sense, if you like bukkake videos it doesn't mean you go around looking for four or more other guys to go jerk off onto some girl.

There's a huge gap between watching porn and having the mindset to actually do what's happening in it.

Now, actual child pornography is indeed wrong because that still involves someone having sex with a child, but we're talking about a simulation that's really far from reality.

If we're comparing things to videogames, I would say that a more apt analogy would be to a mentally ill person playing violent videogames, not your average, mentally healthy gamer. Because if he had child porn on his computer, that means he was sexually attracted to children. This goes beyond a weird fetish, it means that there is something very seriously, objectively wrong with him, and it would be best for everyone, including himself, he is "cured"...I'm not exactly sure how effective therapy is with this stuff, but it's better then just letting him be.

You do have a point. It's just a lot of the time they are not only pedophiles, they can be straight or what ever as well (he has a wife just remember), so they can live a normal life too.

And of course these leads back to my original question in post 8.

Uh...See above, I guess.

There's nothing objectively wrong with pedophiles. Back in the day (Way back), 30+ year old men regularly married 12 year olds and those girls bore them children. It wasn't considered obscene or strange and nobody objected to the practice, because that's just how some societies worked.

So no, there's nothing objective about your statement and there's nothing to be cured of. Your viewpoint was shaped by the common morals of the society that you live in, not because there's something fundamentally wrong with it.

 

[sethisjimmy]

Not a real child; Not a real crime.


I also can't believe people are debating whether looking at this material correlates with actually going out and committing the crime. Do you people forget that you're on a site about VIDEO GAMES, a form of entertainment that is CONSTANTLY wrongly accused of correlating with violence among other crimes. You'd think people would know by now that fantasy is entirely different than real life.

 

[90sgamer]

He's a pedophile if he is sexually attracted to pre-pubescent girls. If he has possession of drawn pictures of pre-pubescent girls in his fap folder then he's a pedophile because it can be inferred that he saved those pictures because he found the content appealing. You don't have to abuse actual children, or want to abuse actual children to be pedophile. This isn't hard. On the other hand, not all minors are pre-pubescent children and this article did not say how old the subject matter was portrayed to be, so there is no way to determine if this man is a pedophile or a hebephile.

Obscenity charges are absolute bullshit. Let the man fap to whatever drawn shit he wants.

Yeah, who cares if he's a pedophile?

I mean, they should've have just thrown him in prison(that certainly doesn't help anyone), but the man was absolutely in need of psychiatric help if he had child porn (animated or not) on his computer.

Considering they're far more likely than not talking about hentai, I really think you're overstepping it by calling the guy a pedophile. Saying it makes you a pedophile is along the lines of equating all games to being willing to commit actual violence.

Or I guess in a more direct sense, if you like bukkake videos it doesn't mean you go around looking for four or more other guys to go jerk off onto some girl.

There's a huge gap between watching porn and having the mindset to actually do what's happening in it.

Now, actual child pornography is indeed wrong because that still involves someone having sex with a child, but we're talking about a simulation that's really far from reality.

I am not convinced that pedophilia or hebephilia are abnormal psychological conditions any more that homosexuality and asexuality are abnormal psychological conditions. On what basis do you suppose this guy's sexual preference is subversive?

Obscenity charges are absolute bullshit. Let the man fap to whatever drawn shit he wants.

Yeah, who cares if he's a pedophile?

Spoiler: STOP. DO NOT QUOTE ME YET.

I made a clarification to the argument above a few posts down. Now, onto your regularly scheduled post.

I mean, they shouldn't have just thrown him in prison(that certainly doesn't help anyone), but the man was absolutely in need of psychiatric help if he had child porn (animated or not) on his computer.

 

[CrazyGirl17]

I will never find a right answer to this. I just don't know at all if it's right or wrong.

Is there any evidence that shows people who have fetishes for children hentai will become worse the more they see? Or is this the righteous opiniated going on a witch hunt?

...What they said. I'm against child porn... but what technically counts as child porn is a bit... sketchy...

 

[Brutal Peanut]

To me, this seems overly harsh and unfair. I also find his wife's actions disappointing, to be honest. I'm not saying one shouldn't inform the police of legitimate child pornography but these are cartoons. Drawn images. They are not real.

If it turns out he has abused a child, then it's different. But from the information we've been given; no one is being harmed, no one's rights are being abused, no violence, no innocence is being taken, no molestation, no rape; no crime. The wife was obviously upset and didn't even bother to talk to him about what she 'found' (I'm guessing she was having a pretty good snoop). Instead of talking to her husband, she basically decided to ruin his life by branding 'sex offender'/'pedophile' on his forehead. Even if he was found innocent of any charges, people will always remember what he was accused of - even if he never ever harms a child; they'll always treat him like he has. He's going to have some pretty rough days ahead.

 

[Gamegodtre]

People if you believe this is valid and have played COD then you must go and get convicted of all your War Crimes and if you played Uncharted time to get your conviction on all those murders........ yeah this is stupid just stupid

 

[Little Gray]

Whats with the large number of pro pedophiles on this site? Its really starting to creep me the fuck out.

This is just a disgusting case of authority abuse from focus groups and the fact he's prosecuted over a fictional drawing now opens up a can of worms. It's the start of a slippery slope of if this cartoon/drawing etc. of a fictitious event is considered harmful where will the ball stop rolling, will those who downloaded the child killing mod for skyrim be prosecuted for acts of violence upon a minor because these self rightous groups cannot distinguish between fiction and reality? how about gta with killing the hooker thats clearly abuse against women. where will it end? maybe x-com when killing infested civilians after all your soldiers are killing an unarmed civilian (ignore the fact that an egg has been implanted in them and they're dead anyway). This list could just keep going on and on.

No, just no. This is a nine year old law and its not the first time it has been used to convict convict somebody who had cartoon child pornography. There are also similar laws in many other countries that have also been used for years to do this. Also there have been a large number of cases where somebody was investigated because of cartoon child pornography only for police to find real child pornography on their computer as well.


The fact of the matter is unless you are a pedophile you dont need pictures of naked five year old girls on your computer drawn or not.

 

[l3o2828]

In all seriousness I think Virtual CP (using real children images to create CGI CP) and Real CP should be illegal.

BUT lolicon, shotacon, and cartoon pornography should NOT be ILLEGAL.

This.
Lolicon and shotacon should NOT be illegal,It's A)A simulation, theres no crime and no victim and B)A good way for any potential pedophiles to throw their urges at something that wont harm a living thing.
THE ACTION AND I MEAN ACTION GUYS; THOUGHT POLICING IS WRONG 6thAndSilver, Of MOLESTING A CHILD SHOULD BE PENALIZED.

 

[Flamezdudes]

Considering they're far more likely than not talking about hentai, I really think you're overstepping it by calling the guy a pedophile. Saying it makes you a pedophile is along the lines of equating all games to being willing to commit actual violence.

Or I guess in a more direct sense, if you like bukkake videos it doesn't mean you go around looking for four or more other guys to go jerk off onto some girl.

There's a huge gap between watching porn and having the mindset to actually do what's happening in it.

Now, actual child pornography is indeed wrong because that still involves someone having sex with a child, but we're talking about a simulation that's really far from reality.

If we're comparing things to videogames, I would say that a more apt analogy would be to a mentally ill person playing violent videogames, not your average, mentally healthy gamer. Because if he had child porn on his computer, that means he was sexually attracted to children. This goes beyond a weird fetish, it means that there is something very seriously, objectively wrong with him, and it would be best for everyone, including himself, he is "cured"...I'm not exactly sure how effective therapy is with this stuff, but it's better then just letting him be.

You do have a point. It's just a lot of the time they are not only pedophiles, they can be straight or what ever as well (he has a wife just remember), so they can live a normal life too.

And of course these leads back to my original question in post 8.

Uh...See above, I guess.

It's drawings, not real child porn. Might even be lolita.

And no, it's not objectively wrong. It's only considered wrong by our current society, it's relative. I'm not saying I condone paedophilia though, but this case most certainly is not one where the man is necessarily a paeodphile. He has done nothing wrong.