Missouri Man Pleads Guilty To Possession of "Cartoon" Child Porn

[Loop Stricken]

Didn't they also say that games like DOOM "clearly lack any literary, artistic, political or scientific value?"
Fuck these people. Seriously.

All people that play or have played Doom should go down to their local police station and plea guilty for being a potential mass murderer.

Where would I BEGIN in listing my crimes?!

How many animals have I slaughtered?
How many pedestrians have I run down?
How many soldiers have I gutted?
How many guards have I shot?
How much explosives have I detonated?
How many people have I eaten?

 

[AlphaLackey]

Didn't they also say that games like DOOM "clearly lack any literary, artistic, political or scientific value?"
Fuck these people. Seriously.

All people that play or have played Doom should go down to their local police station and plea guilty for being a potential mass murderer.

Even worse: I played two hours of the Sid Meier's Colonization remake today, which means I will likely be tried as a war criminal under charges of genocide.

 

[Entitled]

I'm of the opinion that victimless crimes shouldn't even be considered crimes. So he owns pornographic drawings - what's it matter? No actual child is getting hurt, and that's what should be important.

Let's say that a decade ago, some child was raped during the making of a CP video, then later she was killed.

If I would watch that video now, would that be a victimless crime? After all, my act wouldn't change anything...

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

We don't actually know if it mimics real CP.

True, but on the assumption that it does, he deserves to be punished.

What a load of toss.

No, not really.

I watch anime. If I find a nice image on Danbooru, I save it.

I have no idea what Danbooru is, so feel free to fill me in. I'd look it up, but I get the impression I would regret it immediately.

TO YOUR DISGUST, some of those images are of teenage girls who do NOT have tits the size of Godzilla's bollocks.

Have I chosen to ruin my life by doing this? Should the urge overtake me to rub one out to pictures of Midna in her imp form, should I instead cut off my filthy hands and turn myself in to the police?

I have no idea how old you are, nor am I familiar with the characters you are describing, so its hard for me to comment on such behavior.

Nobody is harmed before, during, or after the act of downloading cartoon porn, regardless of the perceived age of the subject.
Because the subjects are not fucking real.

Doesn't matter, its still a form of CP and the US government has every right to go after people that have such things.

Well if that's the case then all those that take interest in religious text should all be locked up for there is some seriously sick shit in it...

Good luck with that, I'm sure that will go over real well with the US public.

Do you not find anything confusing to your sententious morality in that this person got a harsher sentence for having a cartoon (in which no one was harmed in the production of) than some people would for actually harming an actual child?

...what? I didn't know that, but if it is true that I agree that its confusing. If anything it should be the other way around.

EDIT:

So you would have a person's life be ruined because they committed a crime against imaginary people?

They chose to ruin their own life when they took an interest and collected cartoons that mimic real CP.

Have you ever read a loli hentai before?

They look nothing like actual children.

I can happily say that I have never done such a thing.

 

[Epona]

I have been watching The Sopranos and I have been enjoying it, I guess I am now a mobster.

 

[Loop Stricken]

I watch anime. If I find a nice image on Danbooru, I save it.

I have no idea what Danbooru is, so feel free to fill me in. I'd look it up, but I get the impression I would regret it immediately.

TO YOUR DISGUST, some of those images are of teenage girls who do NOT have tits the size of Godzilla's bollocks.

Have I chosen to ruin my life by doing this? Should the urge overtake me to rub one out to pictures of Midna in her imp form, should I instead cut off my filthy hands and turn myself in to the police?

I have no idea how old you are, nor am I familiar with the characters you are describing, so its hard for me to comment on such behavior.

Nobody is harmed before, during, or after the act of downloading cartoon porn, regardless of the perceived age of the subject.
Because the subjects are not fucking real.

Doesn't matter, its still a form of CP and the US government has every right to go after people that have such things.

1) Danbooru is a website that houses art, primarily anime-themed. Occasionally there is porn.

2) What does my age have to do with anything? Seriously.

3) it absolutely does matter. it is, in fact, the fucking crux of the matter. How can it be a crime when the people involved are not, and never were, real?
I'd really like you to explain this to me.

Spoiler: Also Midna, for your benefit.

OH MY GOD, LOOK AT THE SIZE OF THOSE TITS! SHE'S CLEARLY A CHILD! YOU HAVING THIS IMAGE ON YOUR COMPUTER HAS CLEARLY MADE YOU AN ACCESSORY TO A CRIME!

 

[Folji]

Doesn't matter, its still a form of CP and the US government has every right to go after people that have such things.

Guess that whole "land of the free" thing didn't work out, eh? If I didn't know better I'd assume we were discussing a police state here.

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

If I didn't know better I'd assume we were discussing a police state here.

You could assume that but you would be wrong, because making sure people don't look at variations of CP doesn't equate to a police state.

Try again, preferably without a hyperbole this time.

 

[VanTesla]

*snip*

I meant people should've live their lives using the Bible a guide to the letter. I admit, I misspoke. Or typed or whatever. But that's not the point, because the Bible has exactly nothing to do with this discussion because the Bible ISN'T PORN. It exists for reasons that don't involve sexual gratification.

Holy crap, I just explained the difference between the Bible and porn. You guys are just making fun of me now, right?

The bible is the nastiest porno I know of. Incest, sexual slavery, Homosexual-mob-rape, cannibalism and finally, torture porn.

Let's see what we have here...

Genesis 19 verses 32-36 [http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/19.html#36]
Deuteronomy 22 verses 28-29 [http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/dt/22.html#28]
2 Kings 6 verses 28-29 [http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/2kg/6.html#28]
Exodus 21 verses 7-10 [http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/ex/21.html#7]

...


WHAT KIND OF SICK, TWISTED [CENSORED] WROTE THIS!?!?

Well some are depictions of actual events (supposedly) and is just trying to be as detailed as can be for history sake... That and maybe the prophets and writers of the book that God spoke to where all perverts. Honestly I think God may be the biggest pervet of them all I mean he made us right?

 

[Epona]

Doesn't matter, its still a form of CP and the US government has every right to go after people that have such things.

Guess that whole "land of the free" thing didn't work out, eh? If I didn't know better I'd assume we were discussing a police state here.

Apparently you don't know better, because making sure people don't look at variations of CP doesn't equate to a police state. Try again, preferably without a hyperbole this time.

It's thought policing and I would call that a police state. I'll bet you loved the shit out of Minority Report.

 

[Ashley Blalock]

I'm of the opinion that victimless crimes shouldn't even be considered crimes. So he owns pornographic drawings - what's it matter? No actual child is getting hurt, and that's what should be important.

It does seem a bit like labeling someone a Nazi because they watched Triumph of the Will on Netflix instant streaming or they are using the German tech tree in World of Tanks. Or heck I've got a lot of Cobra action figures from the GI Joe toy line does that mean the feds can bust me because fictional terrorist attempting to rule the world makes me a terrorist?

 

[Therumancer]

My major concern about cases like this when I hear them is if one day I'm going to have to sit down and defend my comics collection or something. While not as huge as many people's collections, I have a decent pile of comics and graphic novels, including some adult ones.

As long as your collecion doesn't include Lost Girls, you will probably be fine.

The problem with obscenity laws, is that they rely on "common sense", in other words, mainstream opinions.

Marvel swimsuits characters are mainstream, well-known, so they are "obviously" not porn.

The one who have to be afraid are the ones who have weird Japanese things, or obscure indie projects, that, without their proper context, "obviously" look like irredeemable porn.

For example, even on this very forum, I've spent hours debating that Katawa Shoujo, a visual novel (eroge) made by some people who started working on it in a 4chan thread, and that's protagonists are physically disabled teenagers, is not actually cripple fetishist porn, but a touching, well-written, long, and complex literary romance story, that also happens to include graphic sex scenes due to traditions of it's medium.

Few believed, because come on, a Japanese dating sim made by 4chan where you fuck cripples? It must "obviously" be offensive! Who needs to know anything more than that about it?

The ones who eventually believed, and the ones who eventually tried to read it, showed a 100% overlap, but whatever.

"Lost Girls" that one by Alan Moore? I think I might actually have that, never found the time to read it. Bought it at Waldenbooks I think. It would be funny if it made it onto an obacene list, though last I knew it was mostly under fire for it's treatment of "beloved childhood characters". I'll have to go check eventually. If I remember it's a hardbound 3 book set in a box. It's probably stashed with some of my old hardback D&D books.


That said, the thing about declaring somethingp pornographic is that it's not so much mainstream opinion that's supposed to matter. When it was covered in school my professor pretty much explained the process as being three people "of note" which could include him when he was running the state police, consuming the work and then deciding whether it fit any legal definition of "obscene" and couldn't be defended as having any value. The creator of the work being given a chance to speak for their own creation. Apparently this is why a lot of porn movies will have a plot attached to them. One of the example he gave was one called "Conveinence Store Girls" which was a porno about Conveinence Store girls who stand up to the "thought police" out to outlaw pornography with the power of sex (or something like that). That plot is enough to justify it as being a social criticism. The basic idea being that the US defends art and the creation thereof, and as many artists are disliked by society at large during their lives, public opinion isn't supposed to matter, since for all we know "Conveinence Store Girls" could be like the VHS Mona Lisa of a future age.

As it was explained to me, albiet a long time ago, the difficulty of getting something banned and having that ban stick (since it can be appealed) is such that the goverment doesn't even bother unless there are a lot of complaints. That said if someone raids your porn stash, the way I understand it, is that they can't actually say that stuff is legally pornographic UNLESS it was previously reviewed. In theory they could take it all, put it up for analysis piece by piece, and then confiscate anything deemed to be obscene, but they couldn't arrest you for it because at the time it was seized it wansn't obscene and the law can't be retroactively applied since you broke no law when you had it.

The arguement in this case seems to be one where they are saying that nude children, or those in sexually explicit poses are inherantly obscene, and without redeeming value, which seems to bypass an entire area of law intended to prevent exactly that so you know.. nobody would smash Michaelangelo's "David" or church cherubs as works of gay porn or whatever. I really don't think such a law can exist, or would be enforcable if it went to trial the way this went down. Hence my comments about how it seems to be this guy is in trouble because he was bullied into entering a plea before the case went to trial where it might have taken a while but wouldn't have been sustainable to my knowlege.

That said, I am glad I'm not this guy, I think I could fight it, but it would be a real headache (but I would fight it). The rest of my comments were mostly because to be honest I'm not 100% sure what I have stashed away when it comes to comics and such and cases like this make me think about how little I've considered that content, and how hypothetically if this was taken to it's extreme you could probably jail any collector you wanted to.

My point about the marvel swimsuits is that I don't think "mainstream" has anything to do with it. It has to do with interpetation of the law. If they actually did manage to make a law pass about sexualized images of the underaged, with it being defined that way, it's broad enough to include pretty much every super-mutant comic ever published that includes a bit of T&A. Heck, while I thought X-men originally, Gen-13 (which I know I do have quite a bit of) would probably be even worse in that respect. That whole Rainmaker/Freefall bit with the oil early on comes to mind, as does the simple fact that it's innuendo and T&A is actually worked into the humor and creation of one off villains like "Bedbug" (don't ask).

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

Doesn't matter, its still a form of CP and the US government has every right to go after people that have such things.

Guess that whole "land of the free" thing didn't work out, eh? If I didn't know better I'd assume we were discussing a police state here.

Apparently you don't know better, because making sure people don't look at variations of CP doesn't equate to a police state. Try again, preferably without a hyperbole this time.

It's thought policing and I would call that a police state. I'll bet you loved the shit out of Minority Report.

No its not, nobody was arrested for having thoughts. He was arrested for having pictures/downloaded images.

More hyperboles I see....

 

[Folji]

If I didn't know better I'd assume we were discussing a police state here.

You could assume that but you would be wrong, because making sure people don't look at variations of CP doesn't equate to a police state.

Try again, preferably without a hyperbole this time.

Naah, I like hyperboles. People respond to hyperboles. And condemning people on account of "interests", in lack of a better way to put it, rather than actual actions with an actual impact is kind of messed up anyway.

 

[Epona]

Doesn't matter, its still a form of CP and the US government has every right to go after people that have such things.

Guess that whole "land of the free" thing didn't work out, eh? If I didn't know better I'd assume we were discussing a police state here.

Apparently you don't know better, because making sure people don't look at variations of CP doesn't equate to a police state. Try again, preferably without a hyperbole this time.

It's thought policing and I would call that a police state. I'll bet you loved the shit out of Minority Report.

No its not, nobody was arrested for having thoughts. He was arrested for having pictures/downloaded images.

Why would having pictures be a crime?