Missouri Man Pleads Guilty To Possession of "Cartoon" Child Porn

[Loop Stricken]

Doesn't matter, its still a form of CP and the US government has every right to go after people that have such things.

Guess that whole "land of the free" thing didn't work out, eh? If I didn't know better I'd assume we were discussing a police state here.

Apparently you don't know better, because making sure people don't look at variations of CP doesn't equate to a police state. Try again, preferably without a hyperbole this time.

It's thought policing and I would call that a police state. I'll bet you loved the shit out of Minority Report.

No its not, nobody was arrested for having thoughts. He was arrested for having pictures/downloaded images.

Of things that don't exist.

Know what else doesn't exist?

Spoiler: Creepers, from Minecraft.

OH GODS NO, THE BREASTS ARE FLAT, YOU MUST... ACQUIT.
SHUT UP AND REPORT TO YOUR LOCAL POLICE STATION FOR MANDATORY CHEMICAL CASTRATION, YOU COLOSSAL PERVERT, YOU!

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

If I didn't know better I'd assume we were discussing a police state here.

You could assume that but you would be wrong, because making sure people don't look at variations of CP doesn't equate to a police state.

Try again, preferably without a hyperbole this time.

Naah, I like hyperboles. People respond to hyperboles. And condemning people on account of "interests", in lack of a better way to put it, rather than actual actions with an actual impact is kind of messed up anyway.

Thats fine, it diminishes your point but thats up to you.

Nope, he didn't get in trouble for having interest, he got in trouble for having actual images on his computer. That said, people already get in trouble [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_Catch_a_Predator] for having these kinds of "interest".

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

Doesn't matter, its still a form of CP and the US government has every right to go after people that have such things.

Guess that whole "land of the free" thing didn't work out, eh? If I didn't know better I'd assume we were discussing a police state here.

Apparently you don't know better, because making sure people don't look at variations of CP doesn't equate to a police state. Try again, preferably without a hyperbole this time.

It's thought policing and I would call that a police state. I'll bet you loved the shit out of Minority Report.

No its not, nobody was arrested for having thoughts. He was arrested for having pictures/downloaded images.

Why would having pictures be a crime?

Because its pictures of a variation of CP.

Doesn't matter, its still a form of CP and the US government has every right to go after people that have such things.

Guess that whole "land of the free" thing didn't work out, eh? If I didn't know better I'd assume we were discussing a police state here.

Apparently you don't know better, because making sure people don't look at variations of CP doesn't equate to a police state. Try again, preferably without a hyperbole this time.

It's thought policing and I would call that a police state. I'll bet you loved the shit out of Minority Report.

No its not, nobody was arrested for having thoughts. He was arrested for having pictures/downloaded images.

Of things that don't exist.

Doesn't matter, its still CP.

 

[Loop Stricken]

If I didn't know better I'd assume we were discussing a police state here.

You could assume that but you would be wrong, because making sure people don't look at variations of CP doesn't equate to a police state.

Try again, preferably without a hyperbole this time.

Naah, I like hyperboles. People respond to hyperboles. And condemning people on account of "interests", in lack of a better way to put it, rather than actual actions with an actual impact is kind of messed up anyway.

Thats fine, it diminishes your point but thats up to you.

Nope, he didn't get in trouble for having interest, he got in trouble for having actual images on his computer. That said, people already get in trouble [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_Catch_a_Predator] for having these kinds of "interest".

actual images, you say?
OF THINGS THAT DON'T ACTUALLY EXIST, YOU SAY?

Clearly worth prison time.

Doesn't matter, its still CP.

there are no children involved. Only cartoon caricatures.

 

[Meight08]

Doesn't matter, its still a form of CP and the US government has every right to go after people that have such things.

Guess that whole "land of the free" thing didn't work out, eh? If I didn't know better I'd assume we were discussing a police state here.

Apparently you don't know better, because making sure people don't look at variations of CP doesn't equate to a police state. Try again, preferably without a hyperbole this time.

It's thought policing and I would call that a police state. I'll bet you loved the shit out of Minority Report.

No its not, nobody was arrested for having thoughts. He was arrested for having pictures/downloaded images.

Why would having pictures be a crime?

Because its pictures of a variation of CP.

Doesn't matter, its still a form of CP and the US government has every right to go after people that have such things.

Guess that whole "land of the free" thing didn't work out, eh? If I didn't know better I'd assume we were discussing a police state here.

Apparently you don't know better, because making sure people don't look at variations of CP doesn't equate to a police state. Try again, preferably without a hyperbole this time.

It's thought policing and I would call that a police state. I'll bet you loved the shit out of Minority Report.

No its not, nobody was arrested for having thoughts. He was arrested for having pictures/downloaded images.

Of things that don't exist.

Doesn't matter, its still CP.

But how can it be child pornography when there is no child involved?

 

[Epona]

Doesn't matter, its still a form of CP and the US government has every right to go after people that have such things.

Guess that whole "land of the free" thing didn't work out, eh? If I didn't know better I'd assume we were discussing a police state here.

Apparently you don't know better, because making sure people don't look at variations of CP doesn't equate to a police state. Try again, preferably without a hyperbole this time.

It's thought policing and I would call that a police state. I'll bet you loved the shit out of Minority Report.

No its not, nobody was arrested for having thoughts. He was arrested for having pictures/downloaded images.

Why would having pictures be a crime?

Because its pictures of a variation of CP.

Doesn't matter, its still a form of CP and the US government has every right to go after people that have such things.

Guess that whole "land of the free" thing didn't work out, eh? If I didn't know better I'd assume we were discussing a police state here.

Apparently you don't know better, because making sure people don't look at variations of CP doesn't equate to a police state. Try again, preferably without a hyperbole this time.

It's thought policing and I would call that a police state. I'll bet you loved the shit out of Minority Report.

No its not, nobody was arrested for having thoughts. He was arrested for having pictures/downloaded images.

Of things that don't exist.

Doesn't matter, its still CP.

He was arrested because they thought that him having those pictures made him a threat to real children. They are anticipating that he will molest a real child. That's thought policing, he didn't actually molest anyone and the pictures weren't of real children.

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

actual images, you say?
of things that don't actually exist, you say?

Clearly worth prison time.

Glad we agree that all forms of CP are wrong and people should be punished for having them.

Doesn't matter, its still CP.

there are no children involved. Only cartoon caricatures.

Doesn't matter, its still CP.

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

Doesn't matter, its still a form of CP and the US government has every right to go after people that have such things.

Guess that whole "land of the free" thing didn't work out, eh? If I didn't know better I'd assume we were discussing a police state here.

Apparently you don't know better, because making sure people don't look at variations of CP doesn't equate to a police state. Try again, preferably without a hyperbole this time.

It's thought policing and I would call that a police state. I'll bet you loved the shit out of Minority Report.

No its not, nobody was arrested for having thoughts. He was arrested for having pictures/downloaded images.

Why would having pictures be a crime?

Because its pictures of a variation of CP.

Doesn't matter, its still a form of CP and the US government has every right to go after people that have such things.

Guess that whole "land of the free" thing didn't work out, eh? If I didn't know better I'd assume we were discussing a police state here.

Apparently you don't know better, because making sure people don't look at variations of CP doesn't equate to a police state. Try again, preferably without a hyperbole this time.

It's thought policing and I would call that a police state. I'll bet you loved the shit out of Minority Report.

No its not, nobody was arrested for having thoughts. He was arrested for having pictures/downloaded images.

Of things that don't exist.

Doesn't matter, its still CP.

He was arrested because they thought that him having those pictures made him a threat to real children. They are anticipating that he will molest a real child. That's thought policing, he didn't actually molest anyone and the pictures weren't of real children.

Ok, I still agree with him being arrested and put in prison.

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

But how can it be child pornography when there is no child involved?

Quite simple, it is a cartoon picture that mimics the real thing.

 

[Loop Stricken]

actual images, you say?
of things that don't actually exist, you say?

Clearly worth prison time.

Glad we agree that all forms of CP are wrong and people should be punished for having them.

Doesn't matter, its still CP.

there are no children involved. Only cartoon caricatures.

Doesn't matter, its still CP.

1) You clearly don't understand sarcasm.

2) No, it is not. And if that's the only rationale you have behind your reasoning, then I shall bid you good day, sir or madam, for you are closed-minded and judgemental.

Or possibly just mental.

 

[Epona]

Doesn't matter, its still a form of CP and the US government has every right to go after people that have such things.

Guess that whole "land of the free" thing didn't work out, eh? If I didn't know better I'd assume we were discussing a police state here.

Apparently you don't know better, because making sure people don't look at variations of CP doesn't equate to a police state. Try again, preferably without a hyperbole this time.

It's thought policing and I would call that a police state. I'll bet you loved the shit out of Minority Report.

No its not, nobody was arrested for having thoughts. He was arrested for having pictures/downloaded images.

Why would having pictures be a crime?

Because its pictures of a variation of CP.

Doesn't matter, its still a form of CP and the US government has every right to go after people that have such things.

Guess that whole "land of the free" thing didn't work out, eh? If I didn't know better I'd assume we were discussing a police state here.

Apparently you don't know better, because making sure people don't look at variations of CP doesn't equate to a police state. Try again, preferably without a hyperbole this time.

It's thought policing and I would call that a police state. I'll bet you loved the shit out of Minority Report.

No its not, nobody was arrested for having thoughts. He was arrested for having pictures/downloaded images.

Of things that don't exist.

Doesn't matter, its still CP.

He was arrested because they thought that him having those pictures made him a threat to real children. They are anticipating that he will molest a real child. That's thought policing, he didn't actually molest anyone and the pictures weren't of real children.

Ok, I still agree with him being arrested and put in prison.

Well, you advocate thought policing and To Catch a Predator, I think that says enough about you.

 

[Loop Stricken]

But how can it be child pornography when there is no child involved?

Quite simple, it is a cartoon picture that mimics the real thing.

Grand Theft Auto is a game that mimics me mowing down pedestrians and shooting everybody on the street.

Does having played GTA make me a criminal? Given that mimicking the real thing, in your mind, is exactly the same as actually participating in the real thing.
If it does not make me a criminal, then please explain to all the boys and girls at home how my active participation in simulated murder is more acceptable than a man's passive participation in simulated sex?

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

actual images, you say?
of things that don't actually exist, you say?

Clearly worth prison time.

Glad we agree that all forms of CP are wrong and people should be punished for having them.

Doesn't matter, its still CP.

there are no children involved. Only cartoon caricatures.

Doesn't matter, its still CP.

1) You clearly don't understand sarcasm.

2) No, it is not. And if that's the only rationale you have behind your reasoning, then I shall bid you good day, sir or madam, for you are closed-minded and judgemental.

Or possibly just mental.

1) That makes two of us.

2)Yes it is.
Sticks and stones, man. Sticks and stones.

 

[Meight08]

But how can it be child pornography when there is no child involved?

Quite simple, it is a cartoon picture that mimics the real thing.

Yes it mimics it which means it's not the real thing.

 

[Loop Stricken]

Snip

Also, did you like my Midna image? I hope it answered a few questions for you.

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

Well, you advocate thought policing and To Catch a Predator, I think that says enough about you.

Yep, that I don't have any sympathy for people who look at any form of CP.

Grand Theft Auto is a game that mimics me moving down pedestrians and shooting everybody on the street.

Does having played GTA make me a criminal? Given that mimicking the real thing, in your mind, is exactly the same as actually participating in the real thing.

Odd....didn't you just tell me you were going to stop communicating with me because you felt it necessary to insult my mental health? Hmmm.....

The comparison doesn't hold up, because unlike real pictures of CP, its not illegal to posses real pictures of vehicular violence so playing GTA wouldn't make you a criminal.

 

[Folji]

Thats fine, it diminishes your point but thats up to you.

Nope, he didn't get in trouble for having interest, he got in trouble for having actual images on his computer. That said, people already get in trouble [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_Catch_a_Predator] for having these kinds of "interest".

I don't think it diminishes anything, but hey everyone's entitled to an opinion! But if simple having images like that on your computer is enough to get you in trouble then you should probably watch out yourself, because looking back at this thread I'm guessing you've already got a thing or two in your browser cache that might just land you in a tight spot if you let anyone see it.

Catch a Predator is really stretching the whole deal, though. They're chasing people who are actually out there looking for minors. Comparing the topic story to the people in that show is like comparing a person with an affection for really violent games with someone who's actually considering shooting another person. Crazy comparison, but it is a comparison. It's an unwanted activity committed by a group actively vilified by modern society, but what's really so wrong with just letting them sate their curious interest in a way that doesn't harm anyone and doesn't even have to concern anyone but them? Because we think it's wrong and that's final, no discussion whatsoever in the whole history of everything?

 

[Loop Stricken]

The comparison doesn't hold up, because unlike real pictures of CP, its not illegal to posses real pictures of vehicular violence so playing GTA wouldn't make you a criminal.

I actually had to pause my music to try and wrap my head around this.

Let me see if I have this straight. In your mind...;
Child pornography = Bad.
Vehicular homicide = Bad.
Something that mimics a bad thing is also bad.
Cartoon ponography = Bad.
Vehicular homicide in a game = Good.

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