Modded 360s Flood Craigslist After Mass Banning
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ok let me explain this in simple terms ALL chipping is ILLEGALvivaldiscool said:
so 100% of those people are breaking a the law, it's not a technical thing, it's a very black and white issue that's been tested in court. people who install chips get arrested and charged and sometimes serve jail time. this isn't up for debate
whether you want to claim it's not wrong, it is no matter what you say or want to claim. so yes they deserved what they got and they were stupid for even trying. they can claim what ever they wanted but they did something that's overly illegal and has been tested multiple times in court and have always come out that modding is illegal
cleverlymadeup said:
"Little bastards" is not a legal term, it is a personal slur on a moral matter. Of course it's illegal, but chipping a 360 to play a favorite game that was only released in Europe or Japan, legality or wisdom completely notwithstanding, does not make one a fucking "little bastard". And it's pompous self-righteous tarts who try to turn a legal matter into a stupid black and white moral issue: not even through a reasoned debate, but rather through a juvenile, horrible slur in a profession publication.vivaldiscool said:
I'm not defending or promoting console chipping, I'm calling out how absolutely horridly inexcusable it is to jam this sort of cocky unfounded insults in a paid, professional news publication.
There is no region-free for XBOX360s and also no homebrew, the only way and the only reason to mod an XBOX is to play game copies.
Also, why is no one mentioning the fact that you can't install games on banned consoles? Or get achievemnts, for that matter (any achievements gotten while offline on a banned console will be gone as soon as the same profile is connected to Live on any other console)?
Also, why is no one mentioning the fact that you can't install games on banned consoles? Or get achievemnts, for that matter (any achievements gotten while offline on a banned console will be gone as soon as the same profile is connected to Live on any other console)?
*coffeespit* Hang on, what?cleverlymadeup said:not really as much as the "homebrew" crowd likes to say "oh i got the chip for this reason" 9 times out of 10 they got it so they can pirate games and for no other reason, also the fact that with those chips you can pirate means it's still highly illegal, even if you don't use itGlefistus said:It is one of those legalities that hurt more people than they should, an anti-piracy method gone too far.cleverlymadeup said:yes but even doing stuff like that is still illegal, in the states you can even go to jail for it. it's called the DMCA and makes modding anything potentially illegal. claim what you want but no matter what both pirates and "legit" modders are doing something illegalGlefistus said:
i will make one note and that is i'm glad Funk cropped the screenshot a bit as we're all familiar with his browsing habits [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.153930]
Why? Those modders that used their console for live can just go buy another console now and effectively do what you just said.Jandau said:
They've lost nothing in relation to your suggestion there.
this is NOT a moral matter, this is a plain black and white legal matter. there is no grey area here, it IS illegal and it's been tested in court many times and the law has held up. please don't try and say it's moral or anything because it's not, it's illegalvivaldiscool said:
as for the term "bastards" that he used and NOT "little bastards", it actually is a very appropriate term in this case. maybe you should go look up the definition of the word before spouting off on some moral outrage
yes putting those chips in no matter what you use them for is illegal, it's our friend the DMCA at workAmnestic said:
Picked up one of these Craigslist 360's last night for $100 - it was a replacement console for the seller's other 360 that had RRoD'd three weeks before. The kid had just modded it, so it's brand-spanking new and runs great.
Thing is, it came with a pirated copy of MW2 (which I haven't played, don't have interest in playing at this point, etc). This makes me think - almost all the ones on Craigslist had MW2 listed with them. Anyone else think the ban was just a bunch of people playing it online in advance? (Or playing single-player campaign, getting achievements, and getting banned after it synced to their XBL account?)
Thing is, it came with a pirated copy of MW2 (which I haven't played, don't have interest in playing at this point, etc). This makes me think - almost all the ones on Craigslist had MW2 listed with them. Anyone else think the ban was just a bunch of people playing it online in advance? (Or playing single-player campaign, getting achievements, and getting banned after it synced to their XBL account?)
Considering I've never bought an honest game in my life(well actually I bought 3 or 4 originals and several dozen other which turned out to be pirated) this is the chance to get my very own cheep pirated 360 console
In my defence I'm a pirate because of the evil marketing system: 58% of the games here are sold as originals but are actually pirated copies; the rest are sold at extremely high prices(almost as high as those in Australia).
From 1989 to 2002 all the games were pirated but sold as originals so from the year 2000 I decided that if I could only get the illegal stuff why not get it for free? I would be an hones person but when the game costs 1/10 of my fathers salary it's not worth it
In my defence I'm a pirate because of the evil marketing system: 58% of the games here are sold as originals but are actually pirated copies; the rest are sold at extremely high prices(almost as high as those in Australia).
From 1989 to 2002 all the games were pirated but sold as originals so from the year 2000 I decided that if I could only get the illegal stuff why not get it for free? I would be an hones person but when the game costs 1/10 of my fathers salary it's not worth it
Right, So they lose 20 million from live subsriptions? how many games do you think people with modded consoles actually buy (none is the answer) they download them which means the company doesn't even get the rental revenue. Now If someone with a chipped console downloads 1 (one) game per month. 12 * (Approx) 50 pounds per game * 1000000 consoles = 600,000,000 (30 times what you claim they are losing from live subscriptions). And considering most pirates would realistically have multiple of games per month I dont think they are crying from lost live revenue. Not allowing peole to steal is not a bad thing.Terramax said:
good points. But aren't you simply assuming all the modded 360s are pirates and thieves? Also, how would disallowing them to play XLive stop them from playing pirate games? The clever thing would be to buy a 2nd 360, so you have one for modded games you'd play offline and one for playing online? These are genuine Qs by the way as I've very little knowledge in the matter.falcontwin said:
Lies. I buy every single game that I find enjoyable enough to keep and wish to support the developers, however I almost never buy any game unless I've had a chance to play it for free first.falcontwin said: