A whole slew of reasons including keeping investors/stockholders into believing the products that the company they own a part of are being protected, even if it is merely an attempt.hulksmashley said:
Modding single player Mass Effect 3 bans you from Origin
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Yes because stating multiple times that the entire EULA system is broken, that mods should be allowed, that Origin does suck etc etc. is face first in the corporations asses?
I love how you selectively ignore half of what people actually type in order to push your warped sense of people viewpoints.
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You are so stuck-up I am surprised you can see the keyboard to know what you are typing.
I love how you selectively ignore half of what people actually type in order to push your warped sense of people viewpoints.
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Zeel said:
The irony of those two sentences is exactly why people treat you like the biggest joke on the forums.Zeel said:
You are so stuck-up I am surprised you can see the keyboard to know what you are typing.
You modified your TV by rotating it on its stand. Therefore, you are banned from watching this TV.Karutomaru said:
Actually it would be like, you modified your Tv's Cable line/Satellite dish to pick up channels in better quality then what you payed for when a contract you signed specifically said you wouldn't.Moromillas said:
Legally, I do not own the product as an IP, but I do own a physical copy. EA, nor anyone else for that matter, has the means to track what I do with the content on that disc, therefore they have no right to make any judgements. They have no proof and never will. If they resort to stricter DRM, then it is hardly my fault as the basis of their decision is merely an opinion or due to some other factor(like piracy something which can be objectively tracked to some extent). If I disregard a particular aspect of a product, who is going to know? EA got their money, so I have no moral issues, while the simple practical realities make any legal issues irrelevant. When EA becomes an Orwellian media giant, then I will worry about whether I broke the EULA.SajuukKhar said:
The Sims 3 was released well before Origin was launched. It would cause quite a stir to retroactively take away established mods. Would I be surprised if the Sims 4 did not allow modding? Nope. It would be in EAs interest to do so, as I imagine the mods cut into their micro-transaction revenue.SajuukKhar said:
Legally, as it is now, though it is shit, you do NOT own the disk, you own a license, the disk is a rental that the game company can legally take for any breach of the EULA. The disk and the data on it are not yours.Higgs303 said:
The rest of your argument that they don't have the right to track to do what you do with the disk, is wrong because of the above. The disk is theirs, and they have a legal right to make sure what is thier property is used only in the ways they specified.
Considering that EA wanted mine craft to make it more accessible for mods they are a pretty stupid company.
Everyone hates them that's why their in semi final for worst company (hoping they win but realistically probably BOA)
The'll eventually add a steam workshop kind of thing but that is just ridiculous.
They are just begging people to pirate because the only way to have real fun in the game will now cost you everything on your account.
I loath EA i don't really think anyone properly supports
I bought the game so why the hell can't I enjoy mods.
Jesus bans multi player mods fine but single player is mine.
Everyone hates them that's why their in semi final for worst company (hoping they win but realistically probably BOA)
The'll eventually add a steam workshop kind of thing but that is just ridiculous.
They are just begging people to pirate because the only way to have real fun in the game will now cost you everything on your account.
I loath EA i don't really think anyone properly supports
I bought the game so why the hell can't I enjoy mods.
Jesus bans multi player mods fine but single player is mine.
Ok, so I own a license which grants me access to a rental disc containing a copy of the IP. I am permitted to privately keep this rental disc in my possession and the IP owner has no knowlegde of the where the disc is or how it is being used. This doesn't change anything related to my argument.SajuukKhar said:
I never said that they don't have the right, I said they don't have the means. The EULA isn't enforceable and those who own the IP have no clue as to whether I am in violation or not anyways. If I crack the disk, why am I at fault? Outside of an unprovable legal violation, I see no issue. The comapany has no knowledge of this, and therefore cannot justifiably use my actions as an excuse to impose further restrictions.
Yet ANOTHER reason to avoid it like the plague.
It seems like they are deliberately trying to make me not get this game.
It seems like they are deliberately trying to make me not get this game.
If you sign an agreement saying "I WILL NOT MOD" You cant mod in the eyes of the law and if you get arrested its your own damn fault. Sure its stupid. But you know whos more stupid for not reading what they agree to? You. If you dont like this system dont buy the game. Especially dont buy the game if you want to mod and mod anyway, not because the modding is "wrong" but because you PAID THEM ANYWAY. Instead DONT buy the game and demand fairer EULAS. You HAVE to vote with your wallet! Its a serious flaw in capitolism today that we dont punish those who sell an inferior product. The games industry needs more serious competition so that companies dont have a manopoly in certain genres and playstyles, this way we can easily vote with money as to how companies should behave. I love ME. I wont be getting mass effect 3. Its hard. But you gotta show that if a product sucks YOU DONT GET IT.
Well EULAs are enforceable, at least according to several courts.Higgs303 said:
You are at fault for the same reason even if you don't get caught stealing something said act is still illegal.
The company cannot use your actions, assuming you weren't on origin, as a means to impose future restrictions. However they CAN use the fact that they know people in general do bypass things to justify future restrictions.
It's their product. And they are well within their rights to revoke any license that you purchased. It's what you signed on and agreed to when you pressed "I have read and agreed to the Terms of Service". Do I agree with it? No. Do I think they should have control over SP content/mods/cheats/etc? No. But that doesn't change the fact that can do it. If you really want to mod/hack/whatever, just download a crack for the game and play modded SP all you want. And when you want to go back to Multiplayer and stuff, just uninstall the game and reinstall it. Good as new.
I purchased the game, so it belongs to ME. I wasn't given the option of reading the EULA before purchase, and I sure as hell can't return the fucking game.
Off Topic: Seriously Escapist? Are you seriously making me do fucking research about whatever the fuck Spy Optic is? really? Captcha is fine. MAKING ME RESEARCH YOUR SPONSORS TO MAKE POSTS IS BULLSHIT.
Off Topic: Seriously Escapist? Are you seriously making me do fucking research about whatever the fuck Spy Optic is? really? Captcha is fine. MAKING ME RESEARCH YOUR SPONSORS TO MAKE POSTS IS BULLSHIT.
It's interesting to note that one Scylla Costa, who evidently produced ME3's multiplayer, claimed that the multiplayer guys won't be banning you for single player modding. Then nine days later Thomas Abram comes in and says you will be autobanned when Origin scans your files at startup. Looking at the parts of this thread that aren't filled with bile, Bioware evidently stated that if you had problems importing your face from ME2 you should use a third party application to bring it in, which last I checked counts as modifying the game beyond normal parameters.
Regardless of what people have to say about modding as a right or expectation, I doubt anyone here can say they aren't hoping EA's "you can't criticize us on our forums" rule gets broken by enough people angry about this that they start taking the matter seriously. They may well have gotten a number of users banned because they can't be bothered to fix their game or organise their public responses better.
Regardless of what people have to say about modding as a right or expectation, I doubt anyone here can say they aren't hoping EA's "you can't criticize us on our forums" rule gets broken by enough people angry about this that they start taking the matter seriously. They may well have gotten a number of users banned because they can't be bothered to fix their game or organise their public responses better.
Perhaps there is a better and simpler solution to all this EULA nonsense. Get rid of it entirely. Because let's face it, it's not working out and it's punishing the gamer on top of this.
The EULA is nothing more than an attempt by the publisher to retain control over what is now our property. When money changes hands - you become the owner of something.
If modders want to mod, so be it. I think it is their right to do so, just like I used to do with Doom WADs.
The publishers lose the right to ***** about their so called property when they sold it to retailers who in turn sold it to us. But the sad thing is that there's a lot of people who don't remember the time when modders were not only free, but encouraged by the developers. (Plutonia Experiment and TNT.) Criminalising modders is morally wrong in my books.
Fie and be damned, licensing!
The EULA is nothing more than an attempt by the publisher to retain control over what is now our property. When money changes hands - you become the owner of something.
If modders want to mod, so be it. I think it is their right to do so, just like I used to do with Doom WADs.
The publishers lose the right to ***** about their so called property when they sold it to retailers who in turn sold it to us. But the sad thing is that there's a lot of people who don't remember the time when modders were not only free, but encouraged by the developers. (Plutonia Experiment and TNT.) Criminalising modders is morally wrong in my books.
Fie and be damned, licensing!
Other courts have in fact found some EULAs to be invalid as well. Irrelevant as these cases involved actual evidence of a violation.SajuukKhar said:
I understand that it is against a universal legal code. However, I see a legal violation such as theft as a completely different matter. Theft actually has risks, damages another party and evidence can actually be collected. Breaking an EULA has no risks, causese no damages to anyone else, and no evidence can be collected against me without breaking privacy laws. It is not my position to make this distinction, but they still seem morally distinct in my mind.SajuukKhar said:
That would be an opinion that they hold, not a fact. They could just as likely make any other unproven accusation to justify their actions. I have no control over what they choose to believe, it's not my problem. It also seems unlikely that they would use a hunch to justify further restrictions, particularily when piracy is a far more legitimate scapegoat.SajuukKhar said:
Goddamnit Activision and EAs anti-modding policy's have really gone to far now. Really the whole industry seem to be leaning towards "NO MODDING ALLOWED".
1. No, the workaround that was suggested on the bioware forums isn't modding, because it doesn't tie into the game. It just creates a face code that you can copy+paste into the character editor.Callate said:
2. No, I don't think so. Importing saves doesn't alter any essential game files and doesn't influence the multiplayer.
Well i'm glad i stood strong & didn't use origin the BS from this company just gets worse & worse