Modding single player Mass Effect 3 bans you from Origin

[SajuukKhar]

Yes, but Valve would ban you from a single game, not your entire collection. Origin would ban you from your entire collection for modding on one game. There is a difference between the two. Valve and EA can ban you, sure, but banning me from my entire collection is complete bullshit when I only modded Mass Effect 3. I shouldn't lose my right to play Sims 3 or Battlefield 3 because of it.

That's why I won't buy anything from Origin if they can just take away my entire collection for violating some sort of bullshit rule.

Valve has banned people from their entire account because paypal fucked up in sending them money. Valve has banned people who got hacked, said person told valve they got hacked, and then were told by Valve that they would get their account back.

Steam has a history of banning people from all their games for things not even in the account owners control.

If you REALLY think they would ban you from that ONE game, your only joking yourself.

I'm curious as to where the jump from "EA will ban you if they catch you modding Mass Effect" to "you shouldn't mod Mass Effect" comes from. I'd be more inclined to say "you should try not to get caught."

How nice, supporting illegal actions by using the "try not to get caught" line instead of supporting trying to get the EULAs changed through legal processes.

With thinking like that I don't see why people find it so surprising that game companies are trying increasingly worse forms of DRM.

 

[IMGF]

Valve has banned people from their entire account because paypal fucked up in sending them money. Valve has banned people who got hacked, said person told valve they got hacked, and then were told by Valve that they would get their account back.

Steam has a history of banning people from all their games for things not even in the account owners control.

If you REALLY think they would ban you from that ONE game, your only joking yourself.

You really like completely changing the subject to keep your point going don't you?

Paypal scamming is completely different from modifying a game and shouldn't even be used in the same context at all. And since you don't have any proof to back up your claims, I have no reason to believe you at all. I don't believe for one second the people who told Steam their accounts were "hacked" are all innocent as they say.

 

[Rawne1980]

Sorry is single player that hard for you?

Do you need someone to hold your hand or make you invincible?

If you need to mod the game in anyway, I laugh at you.

It's easy enough.

I think you need to go and look up what "mods" actually are.

Massive difference between modding a game and cheating.

I mod nearly all my games on PC when it's possible. I can add content or change textures, in the case of some games, add new quest chains and entirely new areas.

 

[Aerosteam]

I'm curious as to where the jump from "EA will ban you if they catch you modding Mass Effect" to "you shouldn't mod Mass Effect" comes from. I'd be more inclined to say "you should try not to get caught."

I going to be honest here, I have no idea what point you're trying to make.

EA will ban you if they catch you modding Mass Effect 3 - this has been the case before I even discovered this thread, it was established by BioWare, not me.

You shouldn't mod Mass Effect 3 - I said this at the very start, so I don't know how you think I jumped to it.

Also, you'd rather argue with someone has an opinion instead of the people who actually created the problem?

 

[Kahunaburger]

I'm curious as to where the jump from "EA will ban you if they catch you modding Mass Effect" to "you shouldn't mod Mass Effect" comes from. I'd be more inclined to say "you should try not to get caught."

How nice, supporting illegal actions by using the "try not to get caught" line instead of supporting trying to get the EULAs changed through legal processes.

With thinking like that I don't see why people find it so surprising that game companies are trying increasingly worse forms of DRM.

Illegal? EA is not going to be able to take someone to court for changing their FOV in a video game. Oh, armchair lawyers...

 

[SajuukKhar]

You really like completely changing the subject to keep your point going don't you?

Paypal scamming is completely different from modifying a game and shouldn't even be used in the same context at all. And since you don't have any proof to back up your claims, I have no reason to believe you at all. I don't believe for one second the people who told Steam their accounts were "hacked" are all innocent as they say.

Actually the subject we were on was "getting banned from Origins because you mod a SP game and it being Origins fault", which we were still talking about.

Secondly I never said payapl scammed anyone, only that they fucked up in sending Valve money, large difference.

thirdly I could just as well argue that since you have no evidence that this is in fact Origins fault, which the fact that sims 3 exists as it does is evidence that it isn't, I have no reason to believe your claims.

 

[tendaji]

Just checked, nope. Not on the back or the pamphlet inside. Just a warning about circumventing copy protection. Anything other than that is not mentioned.

Actually at the bottom of the pamphlet it tells you where to go for the EULAs for their games.

EULAS AND ADDITIONAL DISCLOSURES CAN BE FOUND AT www.ea.com/1/product-eulas.

So to be honest, it is all there for an informed consumer to find. But for the most part, people don't care about the EULAs and automatically agree to them without even looking, so why should a company waste printing out the EULAs for each copy, when they can just have a link to them for people to find?

 

[IMGF]

thirdly I could just as well argue that since you have no evidence that this is in fact Origins fault, which the fact that sims 3 exists as it does is evidence that it isn't, I have no reason to believe your claims.

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/344/index/9917845/2#10648995

Modifying the Sims 3 doesn't get you banned, but modifying Mass Effect 3 will. That's bullshit. If Origin can't stay consistent throughout the games it hosts with its rules, then there's no reason for me to buy anything from them.

 

[SajuukKhar]

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/344/index/9917845/2#10648995

Modifying the Sims 3 doesn't get you banned, but modifying Mass Effect 3 will. That's bullshit. If Origin can't stay consistent throughout the games it hosts with its rules, then there's no reason for me to buy anything from them.

................................That's because IT ISN'T ORIGIN SETTING THE RULES IT IS EACH DEVELOPER.

Origin much like Steam doesn't set the rules for what developers allow in their own games. they just enforce the rules the developers make for thier own games, and have an overall DONT CHEAT/HACK in games rules.

Neither Valve nor EA could tell Bethesda to allow modding or get rid of it.

/facepalm

 

[Dansen]

This is retarded and should be brought to court. EA should not hold the rights to how people use their product. It is invasive and absurd, no other industry does this. If I wanted to put some homemade movie clips on to a dvd of a movie I bought, I am perfectly able to do that legally.

A little kid wants to paint his toy a different color, then all in a sudden a man in a suit comes out of no where and takes the toy. The kid asks why the toy was taken away? "You weren't playing with it correctly and you were defacing the artistic vision of its creator, the toy is mine, I am simply licensing this to you."

It is ridiculous and infringes on the rights of the consumer. As long as it doesn't hurt anybody or ruins their gaming experience mods should be welcomed with open arms. They extend your games life and increase its value, its in your interest to encourage this behavior not punish it.

 

[SajuukKhar]

This is retarded and should be brought to court. EA should not hold the rights to how people use their product. It is invasive and absurd, no other industry does this. If I wanted to put some homemade movie clips on to a dvd of a movie I bought, I am perfectly able to do that legally.

A little kid wants to paint his toy a different color, then all in a sudden a man in a suit comes out of no where and takes the toy. The kid asks why the toy was taken away? "You weren't playing with it correctly and you were defacing the artistic vision of its creator, the toy is mine, I am simply licensing this to you."

It is ridiculous and infringes on the rights of the consumer. As long as it doesn't hurt anybody or ruins their gaming experience mods should be welcomed with open arms. They extend your games life and increase its value, its in your interest to encourage this behavior not punish it.

The thing is though, games are not YOUR product, they belong to the developers, you are only renting a license from them.

"Buying" a game is the same as paying to borrow someone elses lawnmower, they can come and take it away any time they want.

Also both the movie and music industry have similar rules on their products, gaming is not alone in this matter.

That is how it has been for decades.

 

[IMGF]

................................That's because IT ISN'T ORIGIN SETTING THE RULES IT IS EACH DEVELOPER.

Origin much like Steam doesn't set the rules for what developers allow in their own games. they just enforce the rules the developers make for thier own games.

/facepalm

You are obviously missing the point and creating bullshit to further your own arguments. I see no point to continue this discussion if you're just going to keep pulling the same idiotic points up over and over again.

 

[endtherapture]

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/344/index/9917845/2#10648995

Modifying the Sims 3 doesn't get you banned, but modifying Mass Effect 3 will. That's bullshit. If Origin can't stay consistent throughout the games it hosts with its rules, then there's no reason for me to buy anything from them.

................................That's because IT ISN'T ORIGIN SETTING THE RULES IT IS EACH DEVELOPER.

Origin is EA. EA owns Bioware. Bioware are an EA company. So it is Origin/EA/Bioware's fault cos they're one and the same (in this case).

 

[Soviet Heavy]

thirdly I could just as well argue that since you have no evidence that this is in fact Origins fault, which the fact that sims 3 exists as it does is evidence that it isn't, I have no reason to believe your claims.

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/344/index/9917845/2#10648995

Modifying the Sims 3 doesn't get you banned, but modifying Mass Effect 3 will. That's bullshit. If Origin can't stay consistent throughout the games it hosts with its rules, then there's no reason for me to buy anything from them.

The ironic thing is that Bioware contradicted themselves. On the first page of that thread a BW member said that they will only take action against multiplayer modders. They redacted that statement at the end to say that SP players will be banned as well.

 

[SajuukKhar]

You are obviously missing the point and creating bullshit to further your own arguments. I see no point to continue this discussion if you're just going to keep pulling the same idiotic points up over and over again.

Tell me what you point is because you seemingly have no clear one.

Your point seems to be "Origin should either force all Devs to allow modding or force all Devs to not allow modding"

Both of which are stupid, and would murder their service, you cant blanket force other devs not owned by you to follow such unrealistic demands such as that.

 

[Kahunaburger]

No, because there are other avenues to play the game if they ban you. It's really stupid when you actually look at the reason. What should have happened is they should have referenced separate datafiles for SP and MP. It wouldn't have taken much programming or space at all. Instead they were lazy as hell and didn't do so. Thus the bans. However, all the bans will do is increase piracy.

Seriously. You know who doesn't have to deal with childish studio behavior?

 

[IMGF]

You are obviously missing the point and creating bullshit to further your own arguments. I see no point to continue this discussion if you're just going to keep pulling the same idiotic points up over and over again.

Tell me what you point is because you seemingly have no clear one.

Your point seems to be "Origin should either force all Devs to allow modding or force all Devs to not allow modding"

Both of which are stupid, and would murder their service, you cant blanket force other devs not owned by you to follow such unrealistic demands such as that.

And why are they stupid? Steam does it reasonably well.

If you have a mod in one of your games that the developers don't want you modding, you simply can't play that game until you remove the mod, and then you can play the game. You're not banned from the entire service like Origin appears to do to you.

 

[SajuukKhar]

No, because there are other avenues to play the game if they ban you. It's really stupid when you actually look at the reason. What should have happened is they should have referenced separate datafiles for SP and MP. It wouldn't have taken much programming or space at all. Instead they were lazy as hell and didn't do so. Thus the bans. However, all the bans will do is increase piracy.

Considering the amount of people who modded Me1 and Me2.... which is to say almost none, and considering how many people bought ME3 with the expectation and/or desire to mod the game, which is again almost none.

The piracy these bans will induce is almost nil.

this isn't like Elder Scrolls or Fallout3/New Vegas that bases itself on modding.

 

[Dansen]

thirdly I could just as well argue that since you have no evidence that this is in fact Origins fault, which the fact that sims 3 exists as it does is evidence that it isn't, I have no reason to believe your claims.

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/344/index/9917845/2#10648995

Modifying the Sims 3 doesn't get you banned, but modifying Mass Effect 3 will. That's bullshit. If Origin can't stay consistent throughout the games it hosts with its rules, then there's no reason for me to buy anything from them.

The ironic thing is that Bioware contradicted themselves. On the first page of that thread a BW member said that they will only take action against multiplayer modders. They redacted that statement at the end to say that SP players will be banned as well.

It was probably around the time a guy unlocked the prothean on the disk. :/
Keep it classy Bioware

This is retarded and should be brought to court. EA should not hold the rights to how people use their product. It is invasive and absurd, no other industry does this. If I wanted to put some homemade movie clips on to a dvd of a movie I bought, I am perfectly able to do that legally.

A little kid wants to paint his toy a different color, then all in a sudden a man in a suit comes out of no where and takes the toy. The kid asks why the toy was taken away? "You weren't playing with it correctly and you were defacing the artistic vision of its creator, the toy is mine, I am simply licensing this to you."

It is ridiculous and infringes on the rights of the consumer. As long as it doesn't hurt anybody or ruins their gaming experience mods should be welcomed with open arms. They extend your games life and increase its value, its in your interest to encourage this behavior not punish it.

The thing is though, games are not YOUR product, they belong to the developers, you are only renting a license from them.

"Buying" a game is the same as paying to borrow someone elses lawnmower, they can come and take it away any time they want.

Also both the movie and music industry have similar rules on their products, gaming is not alone in this matter.

That is how it has been for decades.

Just because it has been that way for years doesn't mean its right. I can write whatever I want in the book, that doesn't mean the book should be taken away. The whole thing is retarded, as long as people aren't making a profit off the game mods then modding should not only be allowed but endorsed.

 

[SajuukKhar]

Funnily enough, there was another game that based itself heavily around modding. In fact, the fanbase is still creating and releasing mods to this day. It was called Neverwinter Nights, and it was developed by Bioware!

It would be nice if they could at least get some consistency in how they handle modding in their games.

Ah, who are we kidding. It's blatantly EA. They've been trying to make PCs a closed platform for years, so they can sell gamers those $10 gun packs, rather than allowing people to create them themselves.

Classy. Real classy...

Considering
-NWN was released almost a decade ago
-None of the previous ME games had modding tools
-Bioware gave up on the mod tools for DA
-Bioware was making ME1.... before they were bought out by EA

Bioware had pretty clearly been going to a no-mod zone for at least the past 5 years, nor was it really EAs fault.

Hell did Jade Empire have mod tools? I don't remember any, and if so then it has been 7 years that they have going down a no-mod road, and thats still before EA bought them.