Modern Day Assassin's Creed: Can it Be Done?

Tears of Blood

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So, I dunno' how many of us here have played the AC games, but...

Alright, since the end of AC1, I've been wondering how we'll be able to go from the gameplay style presented in AC1 with our sneaky-stabbing to more modern times without turning it into a completely different game. But, at that point I just figured every game in the series might have different gameplay.

Well, now we've played Assassin's Creed II, and it's quite a bit like the first one in a number of ways. Now it is really bothering me. How are we going to go from this sword and dagger based combat system, to a gun oriented combat style, yet still keeping it the same gameplay style that has been presented here? I would be quite bothered with any of the easy answers to this question.

1.) No guns. Anywhere. Well, pft, that's just idiotic.

I mean, it was lame enough that we were fighting guards with nightsticks at the end of ACII.

2.) Enemies have guns, but you have swords and such? That's just silly.

3.) Super powers. FFFFFFFFFF- No. D:

4.) FPS or TPS gameplay? Argh.

Really, I just don't know what they're gonna' do. Any ideas, people?

EDIT: A few of my ideas.

1.) Keep the AC free-running, but add in a combat system similar to GTAIV. It might not be exactly like the first two AC games, but it could certainly be a good game, I think.

2.) Keep the same combat system from AC, but give it a little more range. You could lock on just like AC, shoot at an enemy and kill him. Get your shots into a rhythm, you can do a combo kill. They can shoot back, but when they do, they more clearly aim their guns. When they do this, you can do your counter-kill by kinda' leaning or otherwise avoiding the bullet, and do something cool to finish them off.

As for defense, I am not sure what to do there... Some sort of armor or shield? Bah, I dunno'.

3.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcTft47wsDg

It might suck, but this could be a possibility.

EDIT2: What Makes AC Good AKA Forget Hitman, Splinter Cell, MGS4, and Saboteur.

1.) Free-running. Everyone loves the free-running. It's so realistic and it just never gets old. It would be such a shame for it to be gone, and it's a big part of Ezio and Altair's abilities. There is no free-running in Hitman or any other stealth game I can think of.

2.) Pseudo-open world gameplay. The storyline and the unlocking of new places is linear, but you can go anywhere you want within what you have unlocked. Very few stealth games do this at all. MGS3 comes the closest, but I wouldn't count it.

3.) Action. Not stealth. A little stealth here and there is fine, but AC has always been mostly about action. Count the number of times you had to make sure you weren't seen in AC1 and AC2 to the number of times you totally destroyed a large group of guards.

4.) Brutally realistic kill animations. This. 1000 times. I guess Hitman has this to a degree, but not on the level of AC.

EDIT3: http://www.videogamesblogger.com/2009/06/10/assassins-creed-3-will-see-desmond-become-the-ultimate-assassin.htm

Oh boy.
 

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...I tried to avoid spoilers. I really tried. But I just have this compulsion for reading whole sentences. I guess I can't avoid the interwebz. I'll have to hand in my ninja badge now. I was doing so well too.
 

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It'd be third person, but it would be more along the lines of Metal Gear Solid series.
 

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How about assassins don't use guns? You can get shot at and run away(via running to the roofs and out of sight) but to kill guys with guns you have to sneak up on them and take em down before they see you. That seems to fit. Maybe a sniper rifle since that fits the style and can be aimed by adjusting the camera view point. Since sniper rifles aren't really shot on the run anyways you wouldn't have the issue of running and gunning.
 

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Following post may contain some very minor spoilers.

well it isn't set in stone that the third one IS going to be modern day, or even that the ancestor you follow in the third one is going to live in a time after Ezio. The animus is capable of taking Desmond to pretty much any of his ancestors. Granted it's likely that it WILL take place post Renaissance but it isn't set in stone. Although judging by the second one there will be certain parts where you play as desmond. If all the enemies use those stupid taser stick things they use in the second one that would be kind of dumb, but I mean I guess it would WORK. I dunno, I'm a bit apprehensive about the third. All I can know is Desmond will be involved and supposedly the developers considered WWII.
 

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shewolf51 said:
...I tried to avoid spoilers. I really tried. But I just have this compulsion for reading whole sentences. I guess I can't avoid the interwebz. I'll have to hand in my ninja badge now. I was doing so well too.
Sorry. D: Copied it from somewhere else I posted it.

chromekreeper said:
It will stay 3rd person. For sure, but I do belive that they will introduce guns in the modern assassins creed. It will most likely be like mgs4, the whole sneak up an kill instead of using a gun deal. Or they could make a world that has no guns, who knows?
I think they'll introduce guns, but how are they going to do it? I am trying to imagine how you could stay Assassin's Creed, but still have guns...

JimmyBassatti said:
Why does it need to have guns? Couldn't guns be outlawed in this area? Assuming that Desmond wants to get revenge on the corporation that kidnapped him, wouldn't he be in their headquarters? Since the headquarters is probably an office building, large firearms like shotguns and assault rifles and sniper rifles and such are impractical. Pistols, though, could work. Realistically, they'd use tasers, not pistols. So, it could be done, since you don't need guns.
Free-running. Can't do that in an office building...

Also, "Nothing is true and everything is permitted."

Trust me. The Assassins would use guns at the very least.
 

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Tears of Blood said:
shewolf51 said:
...I tried to avoid spoilers. I really tried. But I just have this compulsion for reading whole sentences. I guess I can't avoid the interwebz. I'll have to hand in my ninja badge now. I was doing so well too.
Sorry. D: Copied it from somewhere else I posted it.
I'll have you know that my Ezio figurine is frowning on you as we speak. SHAME! jk :p
 

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shewolf51 said:
Tears of Blood said:
shewolf51 said:
...I tried to avoid spoilers. I really tried. But I just have this compulsion for reading whole sentences. I guess I can't avoid the interwebz. I'll have to hand in my ninja badge now. I was doing so well too.
Sorry. D: Copied it from somewhere else I posted it.
I'll have you know that my Ezio figurine is frowning on you as we speak. SHAME! jk :p
Mine is smiling and congratulating me for my 1000/1000 on ACII. >___>

Twilight_guy said:
How about assassins don't use guns? You can get shot at and run away(via running to the roofs and out of sight) but to kill guys with guns you have to sneak up on them and take em down before they see you. That seems to fit. Maybe a sniper rifle since that fits the style and can be aimed by adjusting the camera view point. Since sniper rifles aren't really shot on the run anyways you wouldn't have the issue of running and gunning.
You've got a point, almost. Ezio used a gun, first of all, so I doubt Desmond won't. I don't know about sniper rifles, though.

Guitarmasterx7 said:
Following post may contain some very minor spoilers.

well it isn't set in stone that the third one IS going to be modern day, or even that the ancestor you follow in the third one is going to live in a time after Ezio. The animus is capable of taking Desmond to pretty much any of his ancestors. Granted it's likely that it WILL take place post Renaissance but it isn't set in stone. Although judging by the second one there will be certain parts where you play as desmond. If all the enemies use those stupid taser stick things they use in the second one that would be kind of dumb, but I mean I guess it would WORK. I dunno, I'm a bit apprehensive about the third. All I can know is Desmond will be involved and supposedly the developers considered WWII.
Yeah, I know it isn't. I doubt it will, in fact. But, eventually, we need a modern day one to round out this story to a conclusion.
 

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Heres an idea. You are fighting against the modern day templars...so maybe they still believe in the old ways of swords and what not. That, or nobody will buy ACIII and they won't have to bother making a modern day one.
 

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My main problem is not the gun aspect but the location. Think about a modern city with high rises and skyscrapers. How the hell can you free run that stuff. Also, most templars wouldn't be anywhere near each other. Think about modern technology and the effect it has had on communication. We hardly ever send letters to others or show up in person to talk to people from other countries. That would make it so you can't have all of your targets being so close to one another. I think that would be the bigger flaw.
 

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Check out splinter cell conviction, I think that would be modern day AC gameplay.
 

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if anything itl take a Que from ACII group stealth. in this modern age of allys tall buildings and cars Desmond could hide any ware. from a crowded group on the streets to the roof of a high tower. in ACIII you may have to be more tactical in your fights. bout i doubt abstrgo has the kinda power to position armed men with M16 through desmonds city. (if you recall is quite big with all the skyscrapers.) also another thing ACII hides is the outside. we never see what it looks like's, for all we know there are hover cars and jet packs. (mabay not but you get the idea.) so in ACIII you'll have to be smart and use the world as your weapon.
 

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JimmyBassatti said:
I'm going to address your post in order of your sentences.
1.) Why does it have to be set exclusively in an office building? Couldn't it have suburbs and such around it, for the workers, and a giant court yard, and huge facilities?
2.) I didn't play AC2. If that was said in the game, I don't get your quote.
3.) Why do Assassin's need to use guns? Casings can be traced, mussel flashes can be scene, rounds being fired can be heard, and concealment issues arise.
1.) You were saying it would take place in office buildings, not me. >_<;

2.) It was said in AC1 a lot more. But, to put it simply, the Assassins aren't going to use guns just because people don't want them to.

3. AC hasn't really been too much about stealth. It's a lot more action oriented, if you ask me. Also, shell casings can be picked up.

Chicago Ted said:
My main problem is not the gun aspect but the location. Think about a modern city with high rises and skyscrapers. How the hell can you free run that stuff. Also, most templars wouldn't be anywhere near each other. Think about modern technology and the effect it has had on communication. We hardly ever send letters to others or show up in person to talk to people from other countries. That would make it so you can't have all of your targets being so close to one another. I think that would be the bigger flaw.
That too. I didn't think of that until after I posted.

But, this is only in our perspective. I am certain that back in the times of the games we play, climbing up something was certainly not easy like it is in the games.