Modern Warfare 3 Bans Depend on "Douchiness of the Offense"

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

I feel so sorry for COD4...Used to be such a good game =\

Still is if you have it on a computer.
We not only have mods for our dedicated servers but also can set our own rules... like no marty >.>

i have never seen why there is so much grief over martydom, all you have to do is not run over their dead body like an idiot for a couple seconds, and that perk is utterly useless. Sure if it was the only problem with the game, then it might be a valid complaint, but juggernaut whores generally are at a greater advantage than martydom users are, as are plenty of other complaints.

(i was thinking of getting cod4 for the pc..but if that's what people grief over than meh i'll pass..)

OT: good that they are "saying" they are doing this, only time will tell if they keep to it and keep banning people for fairly logical concerns.

The game's a lot more fast paced on the PC, by miles. Stuff like Martyrdom, which causes people to avoid moving around rapidly, causes irritation because it causes slower-paced gameplay. People find campers irritating and Martyrdom causes camping. Not just that, but on a 24/32 player server there are enough grenades going around without even more falling out of someone's arse when they die.

fair enough, with lots more people and the truth on faster gameplay, i could see it being slight more annoying, just saying grenades were the least of my griefing when it was the perfect counter to shotgun/knife whores who corner camped (which is the main reason why i used it, it was oh so sweet victory to get them after they corner camp killed me.)

The only problem I see is people have different opinions of what is right and wrong, also how bad something is. Also, a PermaBan for something they paid full price for will surely lead to trouble.

If you're cheating or hacking or whatever in the game itself, you deserve to be banned from that game, $60 or no. It's not like they're banning you from every single one of their games because you misbehaved on a forum, right EA? They're banning you from the one game where you were blatantly breaking the rules. Perfectly fair.

i have never seen why there is so much grief over martydom, all you have to do is not run over their dead body like an idiot for a couple seconds, and that perk is utterly useless. Sure if it was the only problem with the game, then it might be a valid complaint, but juggernaut whores generally are at a greater advantage than martydom users are, as are plenty of other complaints.

Sounds like all the Second Chance whining in Black Ops. Oh noez, so hard to take note if you didn't get the proper notifications and points for a kill and keep shooting if you didn't. Second Chance was an utterly useless perk if you took a single extra second to PAY ATTENTION.

erhm..second chance whining? was that directed at me or..just saying it to say it?

i didn't really care for black ops so for the brief 3-4 weeks i played second chance really didn't bug me at all, plus headshots tend to make that useless...

 

[Steve the Pocket]

What pisses me off are temporary bans. What exactly does that accomplish? In a week the guy is back online cheating again. Bans should be permanent for ANY sort of cheats, hacks, or obviously abusing glitches (getting under the map, etc.). Anything short of a permanent ban simply does no good.

Temporary bans seem fine for things like abusing glitches that the team obviously plans to patch now that they've discovered them. If it's even worth banning for at all. Obviously somebody has to do it before the dev team can find out about the glitch. And depending on the glitch in question, it can sometimes be fun if people don't take it too seriously.*

For example, there's this one time Team Fortress 2 got a bug that let engineers build infinite turret guns. Sounds terrible, right? Especially on maps where one team is attacking and the other is defending, where you'd think the defenders would have an easy win. But on the one server I was a regular on, the mods decided to just let people do it, and we discovered that it's not very effective at all. If they were clustered around a single area, all it took was one ubercharge (invulnerability buff deployed by a medic) to take them all out at once, and if they were scattered all over, having all those sentries to look after made them easy targets for spies (who can disable and eventually destroy unattended turrets without triggering them).

Anyway, the bug was fixed by the next day, and I still suspect it was secretly done on purpose to stress-test the game against the huge influx of engineers it would end up getting when the Engineer Update came out a week or so later.

*Not that I expect the average Call of Duty player to be able to not take the game too seriously.

 

[Zen Toombs]

"Every ban [is] unique to the level of douchiness of the offense," he said on Twitter [https://twitter.com/#!/fourzerotwo/status/137327656420122624]. "The greater the douche the greater the length [of the ban]. PermaDouche possible."

This one approves.

 

[Comando96]

i have never seen why there is so much grief over martydom, all you have to do is not run over their dead body like an idiot for a couple seconds, and that perk is utterly useless. Sure if it was the only problem with the game, then it might be a valid complaint, but juggernaut whores generally are at a greater advantage than martydom users are, as are plenty of other complaints.

(i was thinking of getting cod4 for the pc..but if that's what people grief over than meh i'll pass..)

Considering getting it for PC...
Yeah if you like getting raped sure

If your familiar with mouse firing then go ahead, but be warned, the people who still play it are fucking l33t >.> I am able to get into top 3 on my team normally. Otherwise its pretty fucking sweet with matches lasting for an hour... instead of 5 mins then a server change, that doesn't connect.

Also, the reason marty is moaned about is that on PC is its the only issue, last stand requires you to keep firing to make sure they're dead and is usless and juggernaut whores... personally I've never had a "problem" with them... dunno, maybe its because we can aim :s Tiny bit more health, so what, they still die pretty much exactly the same.
If you have COD4 then you'll know the effective range of lethal grenade blasts is severely high and martydom suddenly becomes at lot more useful on servers with 64 people... which exist...
One in particular is dedicated to the map Killhouse which is tiny, and if you stay still or back up... you die, you need to camp or charge xD

 

[duchaked]

nuke them from orbit! but err I haven't touched the online multiplayer in MW3 so I can't say I've had any issues with it. maybe if I buy the game I'll actually worry about it, but it's pretty sad that CoD4 is pretty much a goner now :/

 

[The Wykydtron]

The only problem I see is people have different opinions of what is right and wrong, also how bad something is. Also, a PermaBan for something they paid full price for will surely lead to trouble.

How can you have an "opinion" on what is cheating? ARE YOU CHEATING? Then it's wrong, and you should be permanently banned.

What pisses me off are temporary bans. What exactly does that accomplish? In a week the guy is back online cheating again. Bans should be permanent for ANY sort of cheats, hacks, or obviously abusing glitches (getting under the map, etc.). Anything short of a permanent ban simply does no good.

If you didn't want to get banned, you wouldn't have been cheating. You paid $60 and got banned in first 2 weeks? Too damn bad. Next CoD game, maybe you won't be such a douche.

I would agree with you except over the glitches part, some glitches are hilarious and when every in the game is using it, it stops being an unfair advantage no? It was like an unspoken agreement between everyone in the lobby "this glitch is damn awesome and we will abuse the hell out of it until it gets patched"

The glitch i'm talking about? The unlimited emergency airdrop glitch in MW2. Both teams, unlimited firepower...

I swear that game was so awesomely broken it actually make Black Ops feel really dull on release through no fault of it's own. It was like "wow so they took the spam AC-130 rockets out? How boring"

Oh and remember the glitch in World at War that let you float in the air? We had half the people in the game doing that and it was like an aeroplane battle minus the planes

 

[Ruwrak]

I'm fairly sure his name is Robert. But I may be wrong. I don't actually play the games.

It's Robert Bowling

And yay for taking down cheaters. I bet that Elite system got to do with that..

 

[omega 616]

So, why are there still people running around with Xbox buttons in their clan tag?

'cos who is it hurting? It isn't giving them an advantage over you, so why are you bothered?

Well at least they are trying to get rid of what is now plaguing, cod4, World at war and MW2 ... well they will until treyarch releases there game and everybody except hackers moves over.

 

[bificommander]

I like the notion that they'd ban people for acting like douches. If that were true, I think the CoD server population would be reduced by at least a third.

 

[WindKnight]

I feel so sorry for COD4...Used to be such a good game =\

Still is if you have it on a computer.
We not only have mods for our dedicated servers but also can set our own rules... like no marty >.>

i have never seen why there is so much grief over martydom, all you have to do is not run over their dead body like an idiot for a couple seconds, and that perk is utterly useless. Sure if it was the only problem with the game, then it might be a valid complaint, but juggernaut whores generally are at a greater advantage than martydom users are, as are plenty of other complaints.

teabaggers never learn, and hate getting punished for being douchebags.

 

[Caliostro]

"Any attempt to cheat, hack or glitch in MW3 will not be tolerated,"

See, I have an issue with this. Now banning hackers is pretty straight forward, although I'd argue there should be "unsafe" servers as option (like VAC-disabled servers in Valve games). Admittedly though, not a big issue.

The problem starts when you reference "cheating and glitching". First of all, what is cheating? Oddly undefined term. Off the top of my head the only real cheating I can think of is hacking, but that's already covered in "hacking". "Cheating" seems like a wildly undefined term. Some people consider "quickscoping" cheating, others consider it legit. So IW reserves the right to decide which tactics are "allowed"? And glitching? While I agree that exploiting many glitches is hardly good sportsmanship, the existence of glitches is to be blamed on the developers, not the players that use it. Sure, you can say it's "unsportsmanlike" or "annoying", but the player has no reason to be "sportsman" or play by whatever arbitrary and personal set of rules you consider to be "not annoying". Sure, some glitches are game breaking... But others are hardly even worth doing, and others can be ambiguous at best...

I'm reminded of David Sirlin's excellent "Play to Win" [http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/what-should-be-banned.html]. Admittedly, I don't play MW3 so there may some legitimacy to this I'm overlooking, but it seems like an attempt to "legislate" how one can play the game by introducing arbitrary rules that don't actually exist in the game.

 

[YawningAngel]

Is it too much for ask for the developer to do a rigorous job of making it impossible to cheat?

 

[Spud of Doom]

As it should be. It's good to hear that they are at leasttrying to police the community this time around. It's the least they can do considering how much money they've made off the game.

 

[LetalisK]

I feel so sorry for COD4...Used to be such a good game =\

Still is if you have it on a computer.
We not only have mods for our dedicated servers but also can set our own rules... like no marty >.>

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Good for everyone.
As we on computers can now have dedicated servers again (but no experience gained, but everything unlocked >.>) this won't affect me much but, good for everyone else.

I'll assume that racism can now actually get someone banned, which is good.

That's probably the only thing(but don't get me wrong, it's huge) that I miss about playing CoD on computer. I loved being able to get a small set of favorite servers with specific rules that fit what I enjoyed and being able to play with a well known community I had built a gaming relationship with through the iron sights.

Oh well. On the bright side, the console version has much smaller teams, which is something I enjoy too.

 

[DiamanteGeeza]

Is it too much for ask for the developer to do a rigorous job of making it impossible to cheat?

Spoken like a true person who has never developed online software in their lives.

Yes it is too much to ask, because what you're asking for is impossible.

 

[Caliostro]

Banning Glitchers makes perfect sense and should be a Permaban. Why? Simply because a single player can dominate a Match by Glitching. Sure, it's in there because the Devs missed it, that doesn't mean you get to pretend you think it's fair, you know damn well it isn't fair to hide inside of a Tanker Truck (not normally possible) from which you can shoot people, but people can't shoot you. Oh, look, you got a Helicopter, now you also have flying death and it helped you get the next one and that helped you get the super duper mega bomb that just kills everyone.

That is, by definition, cheating. The Player is using devious means which ARE NOT intended to be there to gain a Edge, doesn't matter if they are using third party programs or jumping and turning 5 degrees while cooking a grenade and stroking their dick to get under the Map and kill people from where they litterally cannot be seen. The Player knows damn well what they are doing, therefore they are doing it on purpose. They deserve to be kicked out on account of being a dickhead.

(by You, I don't mean YOU but the hypothetical Glitcher)

Evidently there are game breaking glitches, which are obviously game breaking, and which deserve a ban. There's no plausible excuse for going under the map and killing everyone while they can't fight back. That's game breaking. That's not what I was referring to.

What I was referring to is how their "code of conduct" seems to leave a lot of... leeway...