Modern Warfare will have White Phosphorus. Thoughts?
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These questions are never raised when it's a movie or a book. Why do we keep treating video games differently?
Man that movie was awesome. The shootout scene [https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yoqav3uEXWI] in the high rise was legendary. It was one of the first movies I watched when I got my home theater set up and it did not disappoint, audibly or visually.Gordon_4 said:
Well, it?s about damn time if you ask me; now the industry can move on to some more edgy stuff. Let?s get some biological weapons in there; replace the knife melee attack with a sneeze and add perks to host exotic airborne viruses. And how much longer do I have to wait before some dev jumps on the only war that mattered: the war on drugs from the ?80s and ?90s? I took the D.A.R.E. classes; who wouldn?t want to roleplay as an off-duty cop teaching an room filled with inattentive 5th graders about the dangers of marijuana?
Well I?ll put this down in the evidence folder for COD?s attempted anti war messages being as conflicted as fuck. The one I sometimes use as a support beam.
We literally blew up an island and irradiated hundreds of indigenous people to prove to the Soviets we're hardcore enough to do itCaitSeith said:
Oh, so then having gas chamber traps is also fine then? Cause nobody has used them since ww2 and that was ages ago, after all.CaitSeith said:
Something tells me that'd stir up a way larger hornet's nest lol.
RS2 has a class which could be summed up as throwing their one and only WP grenade every life.Squilookle said:
It seems biased, unfair, and cruel, especially against what are historically supposed to be starving peasants. However when the NVA calls artillery, you'll see that more than 1/3 of their shells are WP shells. Everything seems a little more fair.
The game has so much WP, you will see it and not register it. It becomes just another explosion. The problem with that and COD is that it normalizes the imagery. On the other hand, most people would not have strong feelings about WP, or be even able to point it out games, if it were not for Spec Ops: The Line.
This is incredibly problematic to include White Phosphorus. Everyone has known that it is the worst type of substance to be used.
I am so sick of video game companies relying on this trope to make things more serious.
Why is there never any inclusion of Black Phosphorus?
I am so sick of video game companies relying on this trope to make things more serious.
Why is there never any inclusion of Black Phosphorus?
"Gas Chamber Traps" aren't and weren't a thing.Dreiko said:
White phosphorus is an "in living memory" thing. And yeah, probably more horrific to die by as an immediate effect than a nuke,
You could make a gas chamber themed killstreak attack, which is what I was referencing. It doesn't have to be a trap in particular, that's just an example of such a thing. The point is that I'm sure people wouldn't be ok with the game's use of gas chambers in any fashion simply because they're older than phosphorus.altnameJag said:
And a nuke is way worse for the environment and the location it hits actually. It has long term consequences for the entire geographic locale and not just for the people who were there when the weapon was used. Radiation is sneaky like that. I remember reading stories about radioactive fish in California that were polluted by the Fukushima disaster from Japan, all the way across the pacific.
I'm with the majority here: games routinely feature weapons that are either banned by the Geneva Convention and other international treaties (flamethrowers, shotguns, land mines) or just so horrific that they haven't been used in 70 years (nukes). Singling out White Phosphorous as objectionable while happily excusing everything else would be a bizarre hill to die on.
It is the first CoD game I've considered buying since the original Modern Warfare. All down to the single player making a return.
IIRC you can temporarily put out WP by submerging it completely in water since it spontaneously combusts in oxygen.
Anyways, no it doesn't put me off in any way. It's already sanitised to all fuck, not going to give a shit about one more ultra horrible thing that isn't depicted as horrifically as it is IRL.
IIRC you can temporarily put out WP by submerging it completely in water since it spontaneously combusts in oxygen.
Anyways, no it doesn't put me off in any way. It's already sanitised to all fuck, not going to give a shit about one more ultra horrible thing that isn't depicted as horrifically as it is IRL.
White phosphorous doesn't burn in the conventional sense. Instead, the phosphorous reacts directly with the oxygen in the air to produce a chemical called phosphorus pentoxide. Phosphorous pentoxide, when exposed to water, undergoes hydrolysis, becoming phosphoric acid. This hydrolysis is also highly exothermic.Zykon TheLich said:
The use of white phosphorous as a weapon is controversial because although most of the damage will come from heat, it works by exploiting the chemical properties of phosphorous to more effectively penetrate and damage the human body from the inside by using this series of reactions (and also leave long term poisoning, because none of these chemicals are good to have inside you). Because of this, the use of white phosphorous as a weapon straddles the line between conventional incendiaries and chemical warfare, and while it's not entirely clear cut on whether international treaties forbid the use of white phosphorous as an incendiary weapon, the fact that it's impossible to separate the incendiary and chemical effects make it hugely questionable. Because of this, the use of white phosphorous as a weapon is denied by most developed armed forces with the insistence that its use is limited to illumination and smoke generation.
However, this is not actually true. There are numerous recorded instances of white phosphorous being used as an offensive weapon with involvement or support from armed forces which officially deny its use, right up into the present day, seemingly with impunity or even official sanction, both directly against military targets and indiscriminately against civilians. A notable case in point was the battle of Fallujah, where footage emerged of WP being fired from helicopters into civilian areas, as well as civilian casualties burned by it.
That is why it is controversial. It's nothing to do with the inherent properties of white phosphorous, but because it has been used in recent, living memory to conduct organised war crimes, crimes which were officially denied but of which clear evidence exists, by those same military forces who are usually presented in a heroic light within the modern military shooter genre.
Context matters.