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Jman1236

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Games on demand? Sweet, at least you don't have to worry hunting down hard to find games or scratching/breaking the disc. Can't wait.
 

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NoMoreSanity said:
I still want my avatar power armor for beating Fallout 3!
Power Armor? Pssh, where's my Big Daddy suit from BioShock?

Actually, now that I think about it, that is feasible for an unlock in BioShock 2.
 

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CyberKnight said:
Digital distribution? Oh heck no.

No rentals, no reselling, no borrowing/loaning games to friends, the price never drops (one-week "sales" on random titles notwithstanding), no used game market...

Digital distribution is NOT your friend.

Yep I agree with him. If I go into GAME I used to get discounts for having a friend working there, and then there was the sales where you could get 3 games for £40 from like any Xbox 360, PS3 or Wii game, on top of that there was the Used Games section. I'd much rather just buy my games rather than download them - I understand they will obviously do physical discs aswell as the G.O.D - like Blizzard do with WoW....except unlike Blizzard they wont give it all away for free so maybe this whole Steam thing...

But it still feels a little bit weird to me. Consoles have always been about physically getting up and putting the disc,cartridge or whatever in.
 

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CyberKnight said:
Digital distribution? Oh heck no.

No rentals, no reselling, no borrowing/loaning games to friends, the price never drops (one-week "sales" on random titles notwithstanding), no used game market...

Digital distribution is NOT your friend.
Digital distribution isn't entirely replacing all the others, why the hell would they do that? It's merely another way to distribute.
 

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Monkey Island makes a comeback! Give us the final part of the trilo... er... quintilogy? I know you said there would be five! Schaefer fans, demand satisfaction!

I'm excited. They just better not change any of those puzzles. I'm not going to be shining that damn pirate's peg leg any more.
 

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TaborMallory said:
CyberKnight said:
Digital distribution? Oh heck no.

No rentals, no reselling, no borrowing/loaning games to friends, the price never drops (one-week "sales" on random titles notwithstanding), no used game market...

Digital distribution is NOT your friend.
Digital distribution isn't entirely replacing all the others, why the hell would they do that? It's merely another way to distribute.
Why? So they can control the market. In the real, physical world, the open market affects price, and money flows in lots of different directions depending on who has a copy in their hands and who's acquiring it from whom. In the digital world, none of that is true. They control the prices, and the money flows in one direction.

You can't loan, rent, borrow, trade, resell, or return an Xbox Live Arcade game. And with exceptions you can count on one hand, every piece of content on Marketplace costs today exactly the same price it did when it was first launched. Why can I get Call of Duty 2 used at a garage sale for a couple bucks, but the map packs total $15? Why can I buy Samurai Warriors 2 on eBay for $6, but the expansion pack that adds a couple characters is still sitting on Marketplace for $30??

And that doesn't even get into the fact that it's not a perfect system. Ask anyone who's had a 360 replaced and found they (or members of their household) can't play all their games on their new console (and the ones they can play only work so long as their internet connection stays up). Or ask people who live in a house with more than one Xbox 360, who can play certain games with certain accounts on one console but not the other. This does not happen with a game on a disc (DVD drive malfunctions notwithstanding).

Publishers and distributors like to use the rhetoric that digital distribution is about "convenience" or "saving money" (really? digital games don't seem to cost much, if any, less than physical) or even "good for the environment". But it's a lying piece of cake. It's all about control.
 

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The best part of this news post is Monkey Island. I've been wanting to play that. Games on demand should have happened a while ago, though. It even cuts production costs and is environmentally friendly. They had the arcade and xbox originals, so this is a natural progression.
 

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Why can't they just fix the almost willfuly bad media player, thats the one fix i wanted to see. Still games on demand, who couldnt see that coming. Whatever, though my p.c's plugged into the same telly so what do i care about a fancy new dashboard, nothing, I care about fancy new MONKEY ISLAND!!!! that nearly makes up for everything Microshaft have ever done...nearly because they could ruin it.
 

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I guess installing all my games to my HDD did have a downside. CURSE YOU GAMES ON DEMAND!!!!

Anyone know if the avatar unlock clothes will be retroactive?
 

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Irridium said:
um... that sounds cool, but what about people with a slow internet? Those people do exist.

And I wonder if you can buy games with Microsoft Points.
*raises hand*

Rockin' the 1MBit internet up here in Alaska and it's costing me out the ass because there isn't any other broadband offering..the joys of being "rural"

grumbles* of course the next street (within 300 feet) got cable because it's a "new" subdivision..
 

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TaborMallory said:
I want to unlock rockin' clothes from GH: Metallica.
Same wish they coould`ve put the other AJFA t-shirt up rather that the wierd one
 

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Hmm. That games on demand thing sounds like Microsoft heard of OnLive and said 'Oh shit', then tried to muscle it in first.
 

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Vanguard_Ex said:
Hmm. That games on demand thing sounds like Microsoft heard of OnLive and said 'Oh shit', then tried to muscle it in first.
They're not even remotely the same thing, so I don't see why that'd be the case.

I'm guessing that they're leveraging off their experience with the "Xbox Originals" more than trying to break new ground with games on demand.

-- Steve
 

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Anton P. Nym said:
Vanguard_Ex said:
Hmm. That games on demand thing sounds like Microsoft heard of OnLive and said 'Oh shit', then tried to muscle it in first.
They're not even remotely the same thing, so I don't see why that'd be the case.

I'm guessing that they're leveraging off their experience with the "Xbox Originals" more than trying to break new ground with games on demand.

-- Steve
Why aren't they remotely the same thing?
 
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akmarksman said:
Irridium said:
um... that sounds cool, but what about people with a slow internet? Those people do exist.

And I wonder if you can buy games with Microsoft Points.
*raises hand*

Rockin' the 1MBit internet up here in Alaska and it's costing me out the ass because there isn't any other broadband offering..the joys of being "rural"

grumbles* of course the next street (within 300 feet) got cable because it's a "new" subdivision..
I am in the same situation. I live in Vermont and have the same type of connection, while a nearby town has DSL.

It pisses me off to no end, they have been saying "DSL is coming for everyone" for a few years now, I'm starting to lose hope I will ever play online multiplayer again. Because before this I lived in a suberb of Chicago and had Fiber. I went from the speed of a cheetah to the speed of a turtle.
 

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As someone who doesn't have a credit card, I don't like this. As long as you don't need your account to access games you've downloaded, and it just goes to your hardrive, there are plenty of ass holes who enjoy hacking out there who can't make an honest buck to pay for it themselves, so if it goes to account only, I won't use it. In fact the only way I will use it is if they make the disks unavailible to buy.
 

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Vanguard_Ex said:
Anton P. Nym said:
Vanguard_Ex said:
Hmm. That games on demand thing sounds like Microsoft heard of OnLive and said 'Oh shit', then tried to muscle it in first.
They're not even remotely the same thing, so I don't see why that'd be the case.

I'm guessing that they're leveraging off their experience with the "Xbox Originals" more than trying to break new ground with games on demand.

-- Steve
Why aren't they remotely the same thing?
OnLive: you don't own the game and instead pay a subscription, the game plays on hardware at a remote location and just sends the rendered output to you.

Games On Demand: you buy the game once and download it to a hard drive, you play it locally on your own hardware. GD is "just" a console version of Steam, to put it a different way.

-- Steve