Most annoying things about school

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Phantom Kat said:
I had a science teacher that was a creationist. He was also a smug, self-righteous ****, and made me hate taking science.
Oh, crap, were my science classes before college horrible for that very reason! I was on a Fundamentalist Christian curriculum, so every science class we had to learn about all the "problems" with evolution while having to endure constant railing against the "corrupt evolutionists" that were "twisting science so they could rebel against God" if not just being plain "ignorant". I literally tried to skip science during my final year of high school to get away from it, but then they worked it into other classes! If they had actually told us what evolution actually is, come up with decent arguments, and actually presented the counterarguments to their own positions, then I may have enjoyed it more regardless of disagreeing with them. But nope, it was all the same horrible straw man and "second law of thermodynamics"[footnote]Actually, what is rather humorous is that they constantly misquoted the Second Law of Thermodynamics whenever talking about evolution. Basically, they conveniently left out the "in a closed system" part of the law. However, when they taught the concept in chemistry and outside of the Creation/evolution "debate", they quoted it correctly. Yes, they essentially laid out for the vigilant student how to piece together the fact that they were blatantly lying to them![/footnote] arguments.

The curriculum was decent for other things, but oh boy did it have its problems!
 

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MysticSlayer said:
Phantom Kat said:
I had a science teacher that was a creationist. He was also a smug, self-righteous ****, and made me hate taking science.
Oh, crap, were my science classes before college horrible for that very reason! I was on a Fundamentalist Christian curriculum, so every science class we had to learn about all the "problems" with evolution while having to endure constant railing against the "corrupt evolutionists" that were "twisting science so they could rebel against God" if not just being plain "ignorant". I literally tried to skip science during my final year of high school to get away from it, but then they worked it into other classes! If they had actually told us what evolution actually is, come up with decent arguments, and actually presented the counterarguments to their own positions, then I may have enjoyed it more regardless of disagreeing with them. But nope, it was all the same horrible straw man and "second law of thermodynamics"[footnote]Actually, what is rather humorous is that they constantly misquoted the Second Law of Thermodynamics whenever talking about evolution. Basically, they conveniently left out the "in a closed system" part of the law. However, when they taught the concept in chemistry and outside of the Creation/evolution "debate", they quoted it correctly. Yes, they essentially laid out for the vigilant student how to piece together the fact that they were blatantly lying to them![/footnote] arguments.

The curriculum was decent for other things, but oh boy did it have its problems!
Wow seriously....my head hurts a bit
 

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I once had a physics teacher who tried to convince me that you could have a distance of -60 meters. During the unit where he emphasized the difference between scalar and vector quantities.
ssssiiiiiiiiiiiiigh.
 

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I ahte group projects. I work best alone.

But what I absolutely loathe is the early mornings. We would work way better if we got some sleep. And don't tell me to go to bed early -- you know that doesn't actually work.
 

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Queen Michael said:
I ahte group projects. I work best alone.

But what I absolutely loathe is the early mornings. We would work way better if we got some sleep. And don't tell me to go to bed early -- you know that doesn't actually work.
Ugh I know right, worse part is when I go to bed at 8...then wake up at 11 and am not tired...seriously that has happened to me more then once LOL
 

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I can go one better, back when I was in university one of my professors actually listed one of their own books as required reading, and the book cost a cool £29.99 and was barely more than 200 pages, seriously I'm not fucking joking. Okay it was a good book and he was one of the best and obviously knew his stuff, but still shamelessly plugging your own book like that....
I'm curious why you expected him to do otherwise; do you think he should have assigned a book from one of his competitors? Writing a textbook is very, very far from trivial. There's no reason why he shouldn't assign it.
I think it's just a cultural divide between the US and the UK. From what I've been led to believe the US has a more cutthroat attitude where everyone is expecting to be fucked over by everyone else (the adverts are more direct too), whereas in the UK we try to be a little more subtle about those sort of things, so I think what got me was the sheer audacity of the professor.
 

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Can I just say the entirety of the school system here in Texas? You know it sucks when I learn more in one week of skipping school to wander around the city than I do in a semester of 'Advanced Placement' classes.

I had teachers who outright told me I was destined to fail (bc being in Calculus sophomore year is something 'stupid' people do, yeah?), teachers who'd fail kids for the stupidest reasons, parents who were so obsessed with grades that they completely failed to notice that all the stress was building up to the point where I now have schizophrenia, the list of shit just goes and goes and goes. Everyone in the system is focuses on arbitrary intelligence signifiers that have a lot to do with how rich you are and how much free time you were willing to give up to being a mindless drone.

College is the same damn thing. Nobody bothers teaching students, they just teach and students have to hope they can grasp something or else be deemed permanently unhireable.

Okay apparently I'm more mad about this than I thought. Just, the moment I decided that public school and college and basically the entire 'education' system was getting in the way of my actual life and learning, everything was so much better in my life. Now I've got three novels being reviewed for publication and am about half way through a graphic novel I hope to release this year. Wouldn't have done that if I had to get my ass to Econ 101 every morning at 8.

Fuck what the principal said.
 

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I've been a student and, for a small time, a teacher. Both groups have annoying things they have to deal with.

For teachers: Forced professionalism always got me a bit angry. I understand the need to be professional to a certain point. It stops problems before they start. However, I've met people who got chewed out and almost fired because they offered opinions in their classes. It was nothing controversial. It's a bit stupid when somebody calls the school because they don't want their child to hear a political opinion. It's even more stupid to hear cases of people getting fired because their Facebook profile picture shows them with a small glass of wine.

Also, it's bad when I hear a statement like "X course has no purpose. Why am I forced to learned this?". I can understand it coming from students since most teachers don't take the time to teach WHY IT'S IMPORTANT. It's worst when I hear it from other teachers. That gets my blood boiling. There was a specific program with clear objectives constructed to educate children. It's not a "teach them x, y and z" list. It's a goddamn program. It just shows one of the biggest problem in education: Lack of passion. Why should a student learn or a teacher teach if there's no joy into it from both side? Why teachers haven't took their time to learn the needs to teach a class? Knowledge brought our civilization to the biggest peak we've seen. We still have problems in this world. If we can't awake an interest from the next generation, how can we improve as a whole?

AND FOR PETE'S SAKE: No teachers likes to hear "Will this be on the test?" at everything we teach. It's basically saying to us "I'm only listening up to this point".

For students:

I've always detested reading in turns. It's the most dull way to teach a text. "Hey Susie, can you read this easily understandable paragraph? No, anyone else can't read in advance". It slows the class for nothing and prolongs what should takes a few minutes to a whole period.

I don't hate group task if they're well-structured. The teacher created a number of tasks to be done. Just identify who's doing which task and give them the proper points for their parts. Letting the students chose themselves the structure often brings the famous scenario of someone doing all the work while the rest is doing nothing. If you have the scenario where some group members want to do more, let them do more. They'll get the social skills that you want to develop and they'll even be able to act independently to get what they need.
Please tell me you didn't teach English or any other subject that required good grammar, I need to hear that.

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God, people still do this??? Unless what you're actually teaching is how to read, I can't think of a single valid pedagogical purpose for reading in turns.
If it's elementary school where the teacher can't be sure if the kids know how to read or their level it's actually quite helpful in order to find out who is struggling so they can get some extra help. After that reading out loud should never be a part of the class unless the teacher is reading a short story or something. A teacher shouldn't be reading the book to the students, that's what the students should do alone. A teacher should always be able to move outside of the words in the book.
 

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Group projects and speeches. I was a very shy person back at school. I was happy to do a group project with people I knew well and were good friends with. But when the teacher said "Hey, lets do a relationship building project, where you work with someone you have never worked with before" I wanted to run home and stay there. It didn't help that I was bullied at school, so I was a bit extra weary of everyone.

Speeches were terrible for me because of the shyness. I hated getting up in front of everyone and speaking. Yet weirdly I had a lot of fun playing in school concerts. No problem playing piano in front of everyone, but speeches... gods I hated those so much. I did whatever I could to avoid them at university.
 

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I teach in french. It's my first language and the one I use 90% of the time and I have no problems while writing it. I speak rather well in english, but I really need to revise my grammar, syntax and pretty much everything.

That, and I really need to revise my posts before posting if that makes you feel better. If not, here's a a cat video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xL4V341vkq4
 

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What annoys me most is when people say "wait till you leave school and start working then youll wish you were back". This phrase is the single biggest lie anyone will ever tell you and heres why:

1. school is full of different clicks and its really hard to make friends if you dont belong to that pre-existing click. Work everyone is sociable you end up going to the pub on a friday with EVERYONE and everyone socialises and gets along

2. No homework, I get home from work and just chill and I dont need to worry about work until the next day

3. Money, I didnt get paid to go to school and I get paid to work

4. At work you are treated like an adult and actually respected (provided you are a competent worker)


School is probably the worst part of your life but its a means to an end. You do well in school and you can get a good job (although chances are nothing you were taught will be relevant)
 

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I want to say everything, but I think I?ll just say the students. The amount of friends that I thought weren?t my friends and ended up making me feel so pent-up with rage every lunchtime by insulting my colour and the way I walked and the way I ate. Just the petty mob-mentality of secondary school brats who are so insecure about their fucking greasy spots and lack of partners that they have to pick on someone weaker than them.

Also, A-Level exams. Because I?m doing them at the moment (well, revising for A2), and apparently my manner of writing is not suitable for the bullshit structure of standardized testing. I much prefer coursework; there?s less pressure and you can take your time.
 

Yopaz

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Random Argument Man said:
Yopaz said:
I teach in french. It's my first language and the one I use 90% of the time and I have no problems while writing it. I speak rather well in english, but I really need to revise my grammar, syntax and pretty much everything.

That, and I really need to revise my posts before posting if that makes you feel better. If not, here's a a cat video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xL4V341vkq4
Makes sense then I guess. If you live in the French regions then I can understand if English isn't on top of the list. That said English is my second language as well. I'm just really passionate about proper grammar. Oh, but I did like the cat battling the hair dryer.
 

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I am going along with the majority and voice my dislike of group projects. I prefer to work by myself anyway, so I find working with other people a bit of a chore. Working in pairs for lab projects wasn't too bad, as I got on really well with my university lab partner, but in the group assignments I had to do there was nearly always one person that didn't show up when we tried to meet up, or they would show up late and we had to waste precious time getting them back up to speed. However, nowadays I quite miss school as even though I love my job I dislike the people I work with outside of my department, and at school it seemed a lot easier to avoid people I didn't get on with, it is a bit more difficult in a work environment.
 

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Well, I may as well throw in from the other side.

Firstly, when I set students homework and they don't do it. Then they complain "Oh, I don't know how to do this" or "Why aren't I improving?". It's very frustrating, because my homework is designed to sort this out. I don't set massive, difficult and painful tomes of small writing under candle-light, but instead small, varied tasks designed to streamline what they have learned in class; e.g. "Watch this foreign program with Chinese subtitles for free. Write down every new word you encounter. It's an interesting program. This one is called "Friends". Next one is "Sherlock". Practise your listening. Note the culture." Every lesson I stress for them to do it, every lesson they don't.

We don't set homework because we're bored, remember, we have to sit down and mark it. Every single homework. It' very time-consuming for us, you get homework once, we get the same piece forty times. And from every class we set, not just yours.

Secondly, when students use their phone in class. They think I can't see them, it's so confusing. All I ask is that you don't use your phone for the two hours a day I have you. I know your parents pay an awful lot to the school for you to learn here, so all I want is for that to work. If you don't want to come here, change to another program.

Thirdly, when they misbehave. I don't mind talking quietly (although lads, your voice does carry), but don't piss about (and students know the line, they're not stupid). Because frankly, I have forty or so students in some lessons and I just don't have the time or attention to deal with you, so out you go and I'll focus on those who want to be here. If you don't want to come here, that's your choice, but don't ruin it for those who want to learn.

Fourthly, students who don't take part, and then complain if I try to make them take part. If you've come to a specialised language school, then you're going to have to take part in class. If I'm helping your speaking, don't just stare at me, because I can see your mouth and if you're moving.

I know there is this conception that teachers are sadists who love to embarrass you, but I honestly can't help you or give you advice on your learning if you never open your mouth in front of me. That's why I assign speaking tasks among my students, so I can write notes and say "Hey, your vocabulary is good, but you need to improve your listening, so go do this three hours a week."

Fifthly, teachers are not blind. We know when kids are bullying other kids, for example, but you know what we can do about it? Nothing. I don't have proof, I'm probably not your homeroom teacher, and while I can mention to the other teachers to keep an eye out, if you don't come to us or you dodge questions if we ask, then we're powerless in the situation. No, we don't like it, but that's the way it is.

Sixth point, teachers who should not be teachers. And, in my opinion, are not teachers. Did you become a teacher because there was nothing else to do? Or to have a power trip? Or did the phrase "job security" or "extra holidays" ever enter your mind for choosing this job? Then you're not supposed to be doing it. It takes a certain mindset to be a teacher, and to be a good teacher is not an easy job, even if they make it look easy. There are some colleagues who I look at and feel a twinge of dismay that some people have to be taught under; they've no ability to pass information, they've usually little ability in the area itself, and they turn up for the paycheck, and in this country, there is a massive problem of corruption in this profession which, frankly, worries me.

Final point, because I've gone on long enough, are some students and how they treat teachers. I know how people say "Oh, well, this teacher is horrible" or "This teacher is a *****" and so on, but I personally think that every person who says that should work in a school in the UK for a week. Teachers, and those who work in the education system, are treated like utter crap by the students and their parents. They get things thrown at them, swore at, insulted, threatened, I've had female colleagues sexually harassed, and I've had teachers break down in the common room or their office because of how they are treated. And now government attitudes have turned against teachers; "It's the teachers fault that they don't learn." No, it's because their family literally does nothing to help and we're not miracle workers; we can't fix EVERY single student who walks into our classroom.

I've heard of spitting, intimidation, and death threats, and we can do nothing about it without some thick woman coming into the office and saying "No, my child is an angel and he's never done anything wrong" and you want to grab these people and say "No, your child is not a nice person and is negatively affecting our staff and other students and this is how you've raised him!" You know how medical staff are given both respect and a lot of legal protection? Teachers really need this as well, that's why the good ones are leaving the country or profession in droves; because who wants to be paid lower to middle wage for this for any other reason than you love the job?
 

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Leon Declis said:
I've heard of spitting, intimidation, and death threats, and we can do nothing about it without some thick woman coming into the office and saying "No, my child is an angel and he's never done anything wrong" and you want to grab these people and say "No, your child is not a nice person and is negatively affecting our staff and other students and this is how you've raised him!" You know how medical staff are given both respect and a lot of legal protection? Teachers really need this as well, that's why the good ones are leaving the country or profession in droves; because who wants to be paid lower to middle wage for this for any other reason than you love the job?
Its disgraceful, Im not a teacher myself but I can only imagine and I can sympathise with the "dumb bell teacher" incident. Im not saying he was justified but the kids were making his life a misery until he finally cracked. I remember at school we used to wind up teachers but we were never nasty or malicious it was just silly stuff like moving things around or changing names on the register etc

The fact that you guys have no way of defending yourselves is beyond me, you could be assaulted by a 16 year old boy who is essentially a fully grown male and if you try to defend yourself you get done for assaulting a minor. Kids these days also seem to be a lot nastier than the last generation.
 

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shootthebandit said:
Leon Declis said:
I've heard of spitting, intimidation, and death threats, and we can do nothing about it without some thick woman coming into the office and saying "No, my child is an angel and he's never done anything wrong" and you want to grab these people and say "No, your child is not a nice person and is negatively affecting our staff and other students and this is how you've raised him!" You know how medical staff are given both respect and a lot of legal protection? Teachers really need this as well, that's why the good ones are leaving the country or profession in droves; because who wants to be paid lower to middle wage for this for any other reason than you love the job?
Its disgraceful, Im not a teacher myself but I can only imagine and I can sympathise with the "dumb bell teacher" incident. Im not saying he was justified but the kids were making his life a misery until he finally cracked. I remember at school we used to wind up teachers but we were never nasty or malicious it was just silly stuff like moving things around or changing names on the register etc

The fact that you guys have no way of defending yourselves is beyond me, you could be assaulted by a 16 year old boy who is essentially a fully grown male and if you try to defend yourself you get done for assaulting a minor. Kids these days also seem to be a lot nastier than the last generation.
I can agree to that one, crueler to teachers and each other. Not pleasant