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Saulkar

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Gent said:
Holy shit bro, either you're lying or your teachers were complete assholes.
No, they were not assholes. They were can do no harm, holier than thou saints which makes them so much worse because you could not convince them that they had done anything wrong! Unfortunately because of whatever the hell technicalities/legal-ass-covering we were never able to pursue legal action against them.

Something I forgot to mention is this was not a day to day thing. It only happened maybe once every week or two but sometimes it happened far more frequently.
 

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Saulkar said:
Gent said:
Holy shit bro, either you're lying or your teachers were complete assholes.
No, they were not assholes. They were can do no harm, holier than thou saints which makes them so much worse because you could not convince them that they had done anything wrong! Unfortunately because of whatever the hell technicalities/legal-ass-covering we were never able to pursue legal action against them.

Something I forgot to mention is this was not a day to day thing. It only happened maybe once every week or two but sometimes it happened far more frequently.
sorry to hear bout that dude ,seriously
 

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I really hate the teachers that just hand out detentions all willy-nilly. Detentions are for kids who are disrupting the class, not someone who asked the person next to them a question related to the topic. Also, at least give a warning. It's the end of the day, and it's Spanish class. None of us want to be here, so it isn't easy to pay attention the entire class. There just seems to be a lack of communication and understanding between the teacher and the student. It just pisses me off to no end. In high school, kids are busier than ever, and so are their parents. This detention for kids that did not disrupt the class just messes up an entire schedule.

Don't even get me started on my Biology teacher that will stop class to see if what someone is eating is healthy. Listen, we aren't going to die if we drink soda. It's called moderation. Just because something is new doesn't mean we'll get cancer from it.

And then there are the teachers that use their emotions to determine the happiness of everyone in the classroom. Listen, I understand your upset the musical that you directed is over, but that doesn't mean you have to kick out kids that got an answer wrong because they were up late studying for a test that you just told us about the previous day.

Ugh, and then the drama. I don't hate drama, but it can just be annoying and uninteresting. Apparently every person I've ever met is a dirty cheater, according to rumors and such.

These, along with pointless homework, are all reasons that I don't try that hard in school anymore. I mean, my grades are, for the most part, decent. I have A's, B's, and C's, but I don't care enough to actually strive to do better. I kind of enjoy school when I don't try, so I would dislike school even more if I tried.
 

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Useless subjects that are still required for no reason. I'm not talking about things that only a certain group of people will use, such as certain languages. It's things that are literally useless.

For instance, in our Dutch class (I live in the Netherlands), we have to learn how to summarize texts using only a certain amount of words,(usually around 200). However, this skill is completely worthless, because no one ever summarizes texts this way. In fact, our teacher literally said: "You will never have to do this again after high school." Then why the fuck do I have to learn it?!

Also, teachers who ruin otherwise interesting material. MacBeth is a great play, but nobody is going to be able to appreciate that if you interrupt the story every other sentence to explain what was just said.
 

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Theminimanx said:
Useless subjects that are still required for no reason. I'm not talking about things that only a certain group of people will use, such as certain languages. It's things that are literally useless.

For instance, in our Dutch class (I live in the Netherlands), we have to learn how to summarize texts using only a certain amount of words,(usually around 200). However, this skill is completely worthless, because no one ever summarizes texts this way. In fact, our teacher literally said: "You will never have to do this again after high school." Then why the fuck do I have to learn it?!

Also, teachers who ruin otherwise interesting material. MacBeth is a great play, but nobody is going to be able to appreciate that if you interrupt the story every other sentence to explain what was just said.
That is a good point, I understand learning some things to be well rounded but if the teacher says "you will never use this again" yeah I can see the bull
 

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I liked high school. Then again I was an athlete and got mostly A's with a few B's (math) in a small town so maybe I've got a skewed view on the subject.

I guess what I hated was the whole college prep process. Also how nasty some of my fellow students were to the teachers. Maybe it's because my mother was a teacher I had a little more understanding of what goes on.

EDIT: I'm seeing a lot of people complaining about how teachers teach things. You realize, especially at high school level in America, the DISTRICT OFFICE or STATE government decided a lot of things about your curriculum. Not the in-building staff. Especially nowadays teachers aren't allowed to take time to make a subject interesting, they have to rush thru it to reach the outrageous demands of what needs to be completed in a semester set by the higher offices.

I'm glad I grew up when I did, a teacher could just teach something they thought was interesting and cool if it somewhat coincided with a lesson since they had the time.
 

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Probably the Penis inspections. I mean I always passed but I dunno it always felt kind of weird.

Also music class, I mean seriously? Fuck music class. At one point our teacher gave up on me and my friends because all we did was have sword fights with the drum sticks.
 

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Theminimanx said:
For instance, in our Dutch class (I live in the Netherlands), we have to learn how to summarize texts using only a certain amount of words,(usually around 200). However, this skill is completely worthless, because no one ever summarizes texts this way. In fact, our teacher literally said: "You will never have to do this again after high school." Then why the fuck do I have to learn it?!
Actually, sorry to burst your bubble but you do that in academic writing. A lot of the time when you write a research paper at the university level you'll also be asked to preface your paper with an "abstract" which is essentially a 100-200 word summery of your research. It's not a particularly difficult skill though, so I'm not sure why someone would need to actively practice it when they haven't ever been asked to use it yet, so I guess in that way you are correct that it's a waste of time.
 

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Dirty Hipsters said:
Theminimanx said:
For instance, in our Dutch class (I live in the Netherlands), we have to learn how to summarize texts using only a certain amount of words,(usually around 200). However, this skill is completely worthless, because no one ever summarizes texts this way. In fact, our teacher literally said: "You will never have to do this again after high school." Then why the fuck do I have to learn it?!
Actually, sorry to burst your bubble but you do that in academic writing. A lot of the time when you write a research paper at the university level you'll also be asked to preface your paper with an "abstract" which is essentially a 100-200 word summery of your research. It's not a particularly difficult skill though, so I'm not sure why someone would need to actively practice it when they haven't ever been asked to use it yet, so I guess in that way you are correct that it's a waste of time.
Hmm, well in that case my teacher is an idiot. If I do need to use it in university, which most of the people in my class will be going to, why didn't he just tell us that?
 

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More hate for group projects: there was one time I was put in a group of 6 to do a video project. Only me and one other guy carried the whole thing while the other lot made weed jokes and cracked wise. We all got distinctions. (In the UK, colleges have 3 levels, pass, merit and distinction. With dis being equal to an A). That russeled my jimmies.

Also, ideological fascism. In my school, the first period was always "values and ethics" where students are supposedly allowed to openly discuss their thoughts and feelings on the given topic. Instead, it was "be politically correct, and don't have any dissenting opinions or we give you detention".


Argumentum ad baculum: similar to above, if you bested a teacher in an argument or challenged them in any way then you'd be threatened with punishment. In one instance, in V&E, they had a Christian priest come in to have a "debate". Long story short, half the class ends up in time out while the other half stage an intellectual rebellion which ends in both students and teachers all over the damn place hating each other more than usual.

Only now do I realise how truly Orwellian school is. Let's see, we have:
Newspeak (various slang terms pushed by the authorities)
Thought police (teachers and prefects)
Brainwashing via propaganda
Big brother is watching (cameras freakin' everywhere)
Illusion of conflict (contests with other school)
Proles (the pupils)
The outer party (supply main teachers)
The inner party (head teacher and senior leadership team)
State sec (prefects)
Room 101 (detention and time out)


Dear gods, it's more similar than I originally thought D:
 

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I can't believe that the most fundamental problems have been utterly ignored.

How about that you are required to spend a fixed term in school, rather than working on an accomplishment basis? Like a prison sentence, rather than an educational system. 13 years in school to learn about 3 months worth of actual useful data!

How about the fact that subjects like economics, law and politics are barely taught at all, and when they are the data is utterly slanted and often fundamentally flawed? How about the lack of practical application taught throughout school, and the fact that by making school compulsory for so long, students are trained into not applying what they learn, but just studying for tests, so when they are finally out of school they are no longer capable of actually producing real work in real life?

How about the fact that the vast majority of the population are functionally illiterate and don't even know it?

What about the fact that teachers talk about "knowing how to study" or being "a good student" and so on, but can't even define what study is, or what its purpose is, or that there is no course in first year teaching you how to BE a student in the first place? Teaching why you are in school, what you can achieve in school and HOW to go about it?

Where is the study of logic and data evaluation? You are taught to trust the materials you are given and believe them! The FIRST thing that should be taught is that you need to evaluate every bit of data you are given as to whether it is true and applicable in the real world! How is a student meant to operate in a field they are learning in, if they don't even have the faculty of evaluation and determinism on the subject?!

The modern system of schooling (I wouldn't dignify it by calling it "education") is not just poor, or less effective than it could be. It is the worst of all possible systems, with no purpose other than to hasten the degradation of civilization.
 

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zarguhl said:
I can't believe that the most fundamental problems have been utterly ignored.
Let's try to address your fundamental issues, then.

How about that you are required to spend a fixed term in school, rather than working on an accomplishment basis? Like a prison sentence, rather than an educational system. 13 years in school to learn about 3 months worth of actual useful data!
The fixed term is an age thing. Basically, the reason for the length is that, aside from the material you have to work through (not to mention that the difficulty and complexity gets scaled up as you go along, plus time spent on vacation, plus time lost to reteaching what you've forgotten during vacations, and so on) there's just the fact that school is kind of like society's training wheels. There's a big difference in the maturity (in general) and learning ability of a 12 year old and a 15 year old.

How about the fact that subjects like economics, law and politics are barely taught at all, and when they are the data is utterly slanted and often fundamentally flawed? How about the lack of practical application taught throughout school, and the fact that by making school compulsory for so long, students are trained into not applying what they learn, but just studying for tests, so when they are finally out of school they are no longer capable of actually producing real work in real life?
I don't know about your school system, but when I was in school we learned economics in our senior year of high school, and our country's constitution in freshman year. Politics is difficult to teach, because no matter what you teach, somebody's parents are going to be upset. Plus, politics can change pretty quickly and from experience, it's really difficult to make last-minute changes to the curriculum. That said, in 7th grade (Philippine schools go from Grade 1-6, with some higher-end schools offering Grade 7, and then 4 years of high school) we had to memorize the names of the heads of every branch of government (Department of Education, Department of Transportation and Communication, etc.)

How about the fact that the vast majority of the population are functionally illiterate and don't even know it?
No good answer, other than "we're working on it". In an ideal world, every person would be educated and given the opportunity to live up to their potential. It's something all teachers want, and something that (I believe) governments want for their people. That being said, there are other things that get in the way: even assuming that education itself is free, you still have to get your kid to and from school, the kids still have to eat, and then there's materials (not necessarily books: even day to day things like pencils and intermediate pad). And aside from all that, there are some parents who just don't care. Where I live, there are some parents who don't bother sending their kids to school, they just spend all day drinking and smoking while their kids beg in the streets for the money that funds their parents' drinking and smoking.

What about the fact that teachers talk about "knowing how to study" or being "a good student" and so on, but can't even define what study is, or what its purpose is, or that there is no course in first year teaching you how to BE a student in the first place? Teaching why you are in school, what you can achieve in school and HOW to go about it?
If you are learning, then you are a student. Depending on your school, the exact meaning of a "good student" varies, but in general it's "follows rules", "gets good grades", and "occasionally does something that honor the school". And it's difficult to devote time to "knowing how to study". People are varied, and especially since Howard Gardner's multiple intelligence theory became popular in educational circles, there's the realization that teaching people how to study is like herding cats. Some people do fine with rote memorization, but others need to have music, or need to move around. Fact is, if you're trying to get good grades, you'll eventually find something that works for you.

Where is the study of logic and data evaluation? You are taught to trust the materials you are given and believe them! The FIRST thing that should be taught is that you need to evaluate every bit of data you are given as to whether it is true and applicable in the real world! How is a student meant to operate in a field they are learning in, if they don't even have the faculty of evaluation and determinism on the subject?!
Logic is taught in higher levels for a specific reason: until a certain age, it's difficult for a child's mind to understand anything abstract. You can't teach a kid about, say, the law of conservation of energy, because it's not something they can directly observe. It's why childrens' books need pictures: imaginative though they may be, children aren't able to interpret the abstract.

Also, on the matter of data evaluation, it's a 21st century skill. Some schools are only just starting to implement it, and as more schools focus on being "skills based" and not "knowledge based" like they are now, you're going to see a lot of schools teaching things like research and metacognition and self-evaluation.

The modern system of schooling (I wouldn't dignify it by calling it "education") is not just poor, or less effective than it could be. It is the worst of all possible systems, with no purpose other than to hasten the degradation of civilization.
Fun fact: Education is way better now than it was a hundred years ago. Most schools try to shy away from corporal punishment and rote memorization, and are going towards a more holistic, bottom-up model. The educational system I trained to work in focused on making a complete person, and not just drilling knowledge into kids. I assume that you didn't enjoy your own schooling, and for that, I apologize on behalf of all the teachers in the world. But calling the education system "the worst of all possible systems" is just outright wrong.