Most deadly fighting force in the world today?

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Texas Joker 52

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octafish said:
Texas Joker 52 said:
octafish said:
While I would feel bad if the SASR didn't get a mention, special forces are pansies. Gurkha FTW. Big guy with a scowl and a small knife vs small guy with a smile and a fucking huge knife. Put your money on the Gurkha every time.
About time someone mentioned the Gurkhas. And, as second-best, I'd say the U.S. L.R.R.P.s, since they were essentially the stealthy counterpart to the Army RANGERS.

But, most definitely Gurkhas, all the way. Cool under fire, polite, nicest guys you'll ever meet. But also the most dangerous to go against, especially with their Kukris. Yes, the knife that puts the Bowie to shame, and is possibly the best combat knife in existence.
To be fair to the Bowie the Kukri is bordering on "short sword" territory. Just be sure to give a Gurkha a camera if you want proof of a kill, you might not like what they bring back otherwise. [http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1295617/Gurkha-ordered-UK-beheading-dead-Taliban-fighter.html]
Well, that's definitely a surefire way to go, "Yeah, we got the guy. Here's his head, its a visual match. Tests say DNA match too. And hey, without his head, we know he's dead!".

As for that article, however, I don't think he should face disciplinary action at all. He was doing his job, doing it well, and doing it the only way he knew how. In a firefight, there isn't a lot of time for deep thought on how to make sure you can identify a deceased, high-profile target. Not only that, he was dead before he was beheaded. Quite frankly, I doubt that he cares about his body now, wherever he may be.
 

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Define "deadly".

As mentioned, nuclear weaponry tends to overshadow much else.

That_Sneaky_Camper said:
they have a well-earned reputation starting as far back as World War II.
Except the SAS hadn't been founded yet. People who were involved in WW2 ended up in the SAS, though.

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Oh, and IIRC, "Spetsnaz" doesn't mean "Special Forces" the way some people seem to think it does, it means "special forces", in it's most literal sense. As in, not the same as the other units. Special Forces are included in that, but then so are other specialised units we don't think of the same way.

And, the USMC (as a whole) doesn't compare to Special Forces, because that's not what it's there for. British Royal Marine's, as I understand it, do, but they are totally different and just have a somewhat similar name.
 

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Well, one of the better ones in the world are SASR, from Australia.
I am not just saying this because I am Australian either.
 

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Texas Joker 52 said:
About time someone mentioned the Gurkhas. And, as second-best, I'd say the U.S. L.R.R.P.s, since they were essentially the stealthy counterpart to the Army RANGERS.
As an aside, the LLRPs was inspired by the Australian SASR.
 

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What's the LLRP? The long looooooong range patrol? I like Devgru, they are some crazy bastids, and I'm sure CIASOG get up to some shennanigans as well.
 

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I suppose I would have to go with either the Special Air Service (SAS) or the Navy Seals (Specifically Seal Team Six). I heard the Spetsnaz are pretty good at what they do.
 

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Terminate421 said:
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Well if we're doing the Space marines than the Spartans from Halo are the greatest. They're pretty much the definition if ass-kicking soldiers.

I blame the fact that I don't like the look or the concept of warhammer 40k. War isn't glorious, it must have an end. Halo has an end.
A couple things... the first bit, yeah, they are the definition of 'ass-kicking soldiers' while Spehss Muhreens look rather cumbersome and look more like the definition of 'ass-dragging soldiers'. However, their fluff makes them ridiculous, power-level-wise (and I'm not a Halo fan, so I'm in no position to judge whether or not they're better). 'sides, I'm an Eldar player, so I go with 'Quins any day, despite the fact they're not soldiers.

And hey, GW can't have its cash-cow dying out can it?! -_- The war must go on! *grrr*
Wow, agreement with someone about that.

I think thats the one thing that also pulls me wrong about Warhammer 40k, the power armor is just too over the top. The helmets can look cool at times but outside of that, its supposed to be armor, not a fucking car.

Even with Gears of war, it looks like their armor is used to protect them rather than make them look tougher.

Fictional wise, I'd say the Spartans from Halo are the greatest soldiers

But real world, I'll go with the Marines. The SEALS, Spetsnaz, SAS, are all tough but from what I can gather, the Marines go all the way and then some.
really?...really!?
 

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Batman.

Seriously no one has said Batman? You disappoint me Internet!
 

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Texas Joker 52 said:
But, most definitely Gurkhas, all the way. Cool under fire, polite, nicest guys you'll ever meet. But also the most dangerous to go against, especially with their Kukris. Yes, the knife that puts the Bowie to shame, and is possibly the best combat knife in existence.
And it's no coincidence that one of the best combat knives is specifically designed to hack off limbs

Gekford said:
Australia or Israel have the best small armies in the world man for man they are significantly better then say the US or China. America how ever easily has the best tech in the world which gives them a huge advatage. As for individual units the Australian SAS are the best by far closely followed buy the brits. SEALS get a good rap but have the huge technical backing of the US behind them so they tend not to be as good as either SAS for individual skills
That's my problem with the US army, your superior technology and numbers always seem to make for very sloppy grunts. Whereas in Israel or here we make do with buying slightly older tech and spend our time trying to make sure our soldiers are up to scratch. Then again, the US tends to use its armed forces very differently to Israel and Australia
 

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thaluikhain said:
Define "deadly".

As mentioned, nuclear weaponry tends to overshadow much else.

That_Sneaky_Camper said:
they have a well-earned reputation starting as far back as World War II.
Except the SAS hadn't been founded yet. People who were involved in WW2 ended up in the SAS, though.
The SAS was founded in 1941 by David Stirling during WWII.

Probably go with them as well
 

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Garen Truscott said:
How about the Spartans (the real ones from Sparta) if you are going to get historical.
I have a feeling spartans versus common soldiers today wouldn't stand much of a chance.
Guns an all.


Anyway, US army seems to be pretty ridiculous. Sure the afghans have repelled them, but that's because the US doesn't want to bomb them because all the civilians. Guerilla warfare can repel attacks, but I don't think anyone could take the US down.
 

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ElPatron said:
The Afghanis.

They resisted against the Russian and American elite. How about that? Afghanistan is where empires go to die.
The Afghan Army? Because their training is 100% given by foreign nations and this isn't the case where the promising pupil surpasses the sensei on their mountain fortress/temple. As far as overcoming the Russians and Americans, the Taliban were initially trained, armed, and funded by the CIA to combat the Russian occupation.

Things kinda went downhill with the Taliban acting autonomously when they kicked out the Soviets (Russians isn't really appropriate when I think about but hey, digressions are cool) and the U.S. would like people to forget that they had any stance other than "These guys are really bad people and they must die." and actually were used them as a tool to fight the Soviets.

Now that I think about it, the U.S. has a bit of a track record when it comes to this. Did they not support the Japanese Emperor during the Boshin War? Similar time frame and a Shogun might have maintained Isolation. Meaning their would be no embargo by the U.S in the first place and then no Pearl Harbor attack; so no Pacific Theatre.

Actually the British may have done something similar with the Russian Revolution. Did they not maintain relations and weapons deals with the regime that had cast out the relatives (royalty)? And wasn't Rasputin shot with a British spy's pistol? Years later, the world could have ended.

So, good job western society, you are amazing at causing yourself short-term relief and long-term pain.

Disclaimer: I am not a historian and I may be confused, misremembering things, misinformed, or wrong.
Let's not forget USA <url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ajax>overthrowing Iran's elected, civilian government to make way for an autocratic regime which eventually led to today's Islamic Republic.
 

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Ultratwinkie said:
That's because we haven't had a war with something infinite. The only thing that is close is the war on illness and disease.
Which the Space Marines regularly fight the physical incarnation of, sure there's the war on disease, but when was the last time your pharmacist plunged a psychically charged lance into the spinal column of a 200ft tall mass of infectious pus and bile that caused all those around it flesh to melt and bones to boil?

However in terms of fictional elite combat units, my money is on NERV... sure you can have your god Emperor, but if he's so great, why doesn't he remake the universe in his own image and start off a trend for it?

As for real life, the patriot in me screams SAS. But the realist knows it's the Gurkhas... see I'd mess with a Spec Op's guy in a bar and know if I can get that one (very goddam) lucky punch in, I could win... with a Gurkha I'd be dead before I could even reach for the bar stool.
 

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Dryk said:
That's my problem with the US army, your superior technology and numbers always seem to make for very sloppy grunts. Whereas in Israel or here we make do with buying slightly older tech and spend our time trying to make sure our soldiers are up to scratch. Then again, the US tends to use its armed forces very differently to Israel and Australia
Er, yes and no. While the US does have a lot of fnacy new toys, it still uses lots of old gear other nations have abandoned. The standard service rifle being the M16 or M4 (depending on branch) comes to mind.
 

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The Swish. I'm not kidding, they have one of the smallest bust best trained armies on earth. All about defence though.
 

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The NCR rangers, they're hot shit.





The Rangers are recruited from the best of the NCR military and even then, 80% do not finish training and drop out. Those that finish and are awarded the badge have proven that they are "quieter than a shadow and more ferocious than a deathclaw." Their superior training, superior weaponry and assortment of pre-War and post-War technology allows them to tip battles in NCR's favor even when a situation may see them outnumbered and outgunned. Rangers can also operate as spies and conduct police work.
 

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Here in Israel all Special Forces are quite serious shit. I dug around on the internet, and seems like S13 is considered to be up there with SEALs and SAS.
 

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SASR, because I'm still not convinced the Ghurka regiments aren't just made up of Bhuddist Terminators....the shit those men pull is insane.
 

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It all depends where the fighting is. For example, in cold climates the Norwegian Army is considered one of the best fighting forces around, more specifically, TMBN (motorized infantry batallion) and HJK/FSK (Army ranger command and special forces command, respectively). I know I've seen an interview with a SEAL or Delta Force officer saying this after a joint excercise, but can't seem to find it. My two cents, anyway.