Most deadly fighting force in the world today?

[Grey Day for Elcia]

We apparently don't have enough money left for education, healthcare, or stimulus, but we have [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lz6XWStZV48&feature=related] a shitton [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcmuPc8_SWQ] of money [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaAF_3WMJGM] for warfare. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7Wt4XlXUrc]

Actually, the U.S. has more than a trillion dollar debt and is very much broke.

OT: The U.S. government on a whole kills more humans than any other group on Earth I would say.

 

[Thaluikhain]

I'm not a military history buff, so forgive my ignorance please, but it just seems pointless to have them at all. Those don't even seem like special forces to me, just trained indiscriminate assassins based on your description.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_theater_hostage_crisis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beslan_school_hostage_crisis

Spetsnaz is a special force, and they have units under the FSB and the Ministry of the Interior.

But their tactics are very brutal and oriented for warfare, not for hostage rescue, and yet they also play the "SWAT" role on several occasions.

Just to show that the Russian elite can be as unforgiving and as "dirty" as the Mujaheddin were.

The Moscow theatre thing is a bad example. The attack was fine, the terrorists were going to kill everyone anyway, saving one person is a step up, and they got very many hostages out.

Where the Russians went wrong was not having enough ambulances on standby, and enough bed spaces at hospitals to take all the hostages after. If they had, it would have been a great triumph.

 

[Lord Kloo]

An ENTIRE legion of the Emperor's (Sith) best troops - oh wait, no, they got beaten by bears

Probs Israeli, British or US forces although if you're looking for the most deadly then the strategic arms department of any nuclear country surely provides the most deadly assortment of force in Ballistic missile form

 

[Your once and future Fanboy]

As for the greatest fighting force today in terms of skill and ability per solider (meaning not the biggest in numbers but the best trained and with best service records), I must go with Marinejegerkommandoen (MJK) from Norway.

Norwegian solider have generaly been praised as highly trained, with focus on intelligence, a varied and flexible skill set and a high efficiency per solider.
One Norwegian is trained so to try to be the equiviliant to 5 other solider because of our small population.
They had a great service record in the middle-eastern wars, and only those soliders who voluntaired where actually dispatched to foreign wars, so that is a big morale factor IMHO.

 

[Namehere]

Can't point to a unit really. Depends on a few factors. In general infantry combat, I'd throw my money behind African infantry. They get shit tones of experience, they're used to using tactics due to limited resources, and they're used to working in frankly heinous conditions. They didn't refer to the war in Congo as WW3 because those guys were pussies. Some of the infantry tactics in practice over there, especially among drilled regulars, and the economical nature of the officers in terms of equipment, make them quite daunting.

Are they Rambo? No. But Rambo doesn't win wars. Rambo just lasts them out. These guys win. They win the way American SF like to pretend they win. Because frankly if you're an African infantryman and you don't win, there's no air lift coming for you, that's just the end of it. Oh and the levels of psychological warfare are quite impressive in themselves, principally due to the monsters up high. Kono anybody? And when was the last time the US went back to Mogadishu? Yea...

As for SF, hate to say it but as of 2000 or so the French Special Forces had never lost a hostage. Pretty impressive record all told. Then there's the opposite but equally successful end of the spectrum, the Russian Spetznas. Have you seen their pistol holsters? They're even cooler the Russian ejector seats and that kind of cool takes effort man!

 

[CAPTCHA]

This man is quite clearly one the the most dangerous fighters to have graced the earth:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Churchill

 

[Bradeck]

To be honest, it's really a matter of what your doing. Small team surgical ops, you prolly want
SAS or GSG. They train pretty much all the major SF groups throughout the world, although the Israelis have an SF group, forget the name, that has the SAS looking at their tactics.

If you want full scale war, I don't think you could ask for a better all in one fighting force than the US Marines. They cover all the bases, Air, Sea, and Land in one tight nit package.

If on the other hand you want counter insurgency ops, I'd say USSF is likely the best at it, because contrary to popular belief, the Special Forces main mission now adays is locating and neutralizing other SF groups or cells. They have all the best intelligence assets at their disposal. For the actual trigger puller stuff, they usually hand off to the Rangers or Seals, because that's not really their focus. They find people, and they are REALLY good at it.

 

[ElPatron]

The Moscow theatre thing is a bad example.

My point was not the percentage of lives saved, is the tactics employed. Well, from their standpoint human lives aren't worth that much.

Let's look at it this way. The Americans came up with the AR15. At the end of the muzzle was attached a birdcage flash hider, which helps concealing the flash of unburnt powder and improves the survivability of each individual soldier.

When the Russians adopted the 5.45 cartridge based on their experience fighting the 5.56 in Vietnam, they added a muzzle brake. It diverts gasses in a way that reduces the recoil and improves the shot placement during automatic fire at the expense of increasing the flash - making them easier targets, specially at night.

While Americans promoted keeping their soldiers alive at the cost of superior controlability, the Russians promoted higher killing efficiency at the cost of heavy losses on their side.

 

[Kungfu_Teddybear]

Honey badgers. Those things are not to be fucked with.

 

[Matt King]

me, i mean seriously have you seen me fight? well stupid question really because no one who has seen me fight would still be alive,

i am the angel of death, by the time you see my wings you're already dead





(p.s this is a joke, please do not nuke my house, even though it wouldn't do you any good)

 

[Matt King]

Honey badgers. Those things are not to be fucked with.

seriously fuck honey badgers, they tear off testicles

 

[Andothul]

US Navy Seal tied with Russian Spetznaz.

 

[Dahdutcher]

I'm going with SAS.
But, I only know a few forces and I don't really know their strength. So this choice is purely based on a few things I read.

 

[droop99]

the SAS or the SBS

 

[Elementary - Dear Watson]

Its the SAS... the SAS have individuals embedded to help train other special forces all over the world... including you Americans...! They don't jave anyone returning the favour...

Do the maths!

 

[A.A.K]

Eh. Depends on the circumstance.
To judge them based upon their training, I'd say the SAS or the Spetsnaz.
If we start looking at circumstances, h2h capability, knife fighters, guerrilla fighters, rifleman...etc etc, then things change. Australia has the worlds greatest recon team. In terms of intelligence and distance, that's pretty terrifying.

For all round scary motherfuckers, there isn't really a winner to 'the best'.