Most evil person in history?

[Arfonious]

My neighbor Steve, he's a real prick that guy.

Steve... Always that Steve, curse him.

On topic:

That depends on how you define evil, but I'm going with Stalin

 

[Niflhel]

Karl Marx. That broke self hating Jew has been responsible for the starvation, murder, and forced imprisonment of over 100 million people over the course of the last century.

You seem to forget that Karl was probably the most caring person in the world.

In a time when if you were poor, you were nothing, Karl was the one person in the world too look at this system of life and say "This is wrong, im going to do something about it!"

My arse hes Evil.

What did he do, aside from write a book and be anti-Semitic? Oh, and also encourage eugenics (the science behind Hitler's crazy racial superiority theory)? He sat around and bitched about things without lifting a finger to change them. Aside from, again, writing a book.

A funny thing I noticed.

First, you state Karl Marx is the most evil man, because he wrote a book that somewhat inspired Stalin and Mao.
Then, you continue to say that Karl Marx defined as good, because after all, he only wrote a book.

This is logically inconsistent, unless you consider authors to fall into two groups only: Evil and neutral.

 

[orangeapples]

Fred Phelps, minister of Westboro baptist Church.

him and his church are happy to know that you hate them and that they hate you too. it is what drives them to keep doing what they do. So yeah, the actually feed on hate.

 

[Fbuh]

Whoever made the Bible. That book got alot of people killed.

Th Bible was actually a collaboration effort, and was put together roughly 150-200 years after Christ. It was compiled from stories that were handed down through the oral tradition. Later, during Constantine's reign, a lot of major parts of Christianity were decided upon in a sort of council. Things like holidays, rituals, and even the divinity of Christ himself were made up and borrowed or integrated from other religions. That is why Christmas now coincides with the pagan holiday of Yule, when scholars theorize that Christ's actual birthday was probably in the spring. It is also why Easter (which is derives from the name of the pagan goddess for rebirth) is in spring, as the beginning of Spring is known as the Birth of the Lord in pagan religions.

If I had to point to any culprit, I would have to say some of the earlier popes. The things those bastards did ere horrible. They make Hitler look like a kid n an anthill with a magnifying glass.

 

[Forum_Name]

Who is the most evil man/woman in history? There are many people to choose from and I am wondering what your choice is for this. Please keep your choices as real people, or at least allegedly real, and if they are sort of obscure please tell who they are.

There seem to be a lot of theses threads...
IMO evil is usually a combination of self interest and opportunity, and its' interpretation as "evil" is highly subjective.

If your family was murdered in a terrorist bombing, or if they were "collateral damage" in "Operation: Peace Freedom & Puppies" will have very little existential difference for you.

Historical dictators are making this list, based on body counts. ...but did these individuals personally murder each individual themselves? No rather their actions and decisions induced these tragedies. So is simply enabling mass death enough to be evil? I'd argue no, otherwise if taken to the absurd you could blame Henry Ford for our epidemic of traffic fatalities. No... intent has to be a consideration.

Intent however, or motive if you prefer, is highly subjective. For example, Winston Churchill a celebrated British leader of WWII ordered the bombing of Dresden, a city with arguably little military value, which resulted in the deaths of tens of thousands of civilians (although propaganda puts the figures more than ten times as high). What was his intent? Retribution for the Blitz? To demoralize the German people? Or was his decision based on misinformation? The answer doesn't really matter, he ultimately did it for the benefit of his people as a part of the war effort, and there in lies the disguise of evil. The larger evils are not conducted by individuals, but groups motivated by higher ideals. Those pilots bombing civilians in Dresden were doing it for a true and just cause.

So to answer your question OP, "Who is the most evil man/woman in history?" it's all of us, just given the right situation and opportunity.

 

[Jimmybobjr]

Karl Marx. That broke self hating Jew has been responsible for the starvation, murder, and forced imprisonment of over 100 million people over the course of the last century.

You seem to forget that Karl was probably the most caring person in the world.

In a time when if you were poor, you were nothing, Karl was the one person in the world too look at this system of life and say "This is wrong, im going to do something about it!"

My arse hes Evil.

What did he do, aside from write a book and be anti-Semitic? Oh, and also encourage eugenics (the science behind Hitler's crazy racial superiority theory)? He sat around and bitched about things without lifting a finger to change them. Aside from, again, writing a book.

Eugenics were a common ideal throughout history. Most people in that time followed the ideal.
And so what "If he only wrote a book!" Books are powerfull things, and often shape history. Look at the bible for gods sake. Thats shaped history. People follow the bible, and in many cases, its made theyre lives better - so who says that Karl's book cant?

And plus- You claim that Karl Marx is the "MOST EVIL PERSON IN HISTORY" Because he wrote a book that reportedly resulted in the "Starvation, Murder and Forced Imprisonment of over 100 million people!"? Im certain that He didnt intend that. Again ill use the bible as an example, or even religon in general; This was not the intended effect.

And finaly, a technicality- There is not a single country in the world that correctly follows Karl's ideals. The closest anyone has ever gotten is China.

Socialism and Communism are not the same thing. Karl spoke of Communism. Russia, Cuba, China, Korea, Vietnam and whatever else are Socialist. There is a difference.

Read my discussion with the RandomNameRandom person, I am intimately familiar with the difference between communism and socialism. In Marx's thinking, socialism is a step on the road to communism, so therefore you have to be socialist before you can be communist.

And because no one has done it "correctly", we should just keep letting these muderous dictatorships spring up in the hope that one of them MIGHT get it right? Which, by the way, all of the countries you mentioned, in essence, saw out Marx's thoughts to their inevitable conclusion because, aside from being an anti-Semite and a hypocrite, Marx was also an idiot who thought he knew something about philosophy and so tried to impose his warped view of how reality should be upon the rest of the world. If anything, Marxism is a religion, with its adherents blindly following it like the sheep all these atheists keep accusing other "recognized" religions of creating.

"Read my discussion with the RandomNameRandom person"

Sorry, its midnight, and i have no intrest in reading someone elses discussion that is completely unrelated to what im trying to convey.

"I am intimately familiar with the difference between communism and socialism."

Very good, alot of people arent. lot of people call Russia of the cold war period Communist, when they were in fact Socialist. "USSR" for a reason. United Soviet *Socialist* Republics.

"In Marx's thinking, socialism is a step on the road to communism, so therefore you have to be socialist before you can be communist."

The most correct thing you have said, so far.

"aside from being an anti-Semite and a hypocrite, Marx was also an idiot who thought he knew something about philosophy and so tried to impose his warped view of how reality should be upon the rest of the world."

What has this got to do with the topic on hand? Despite being mostly wrong, this has nothing at all to do with the topic. How does Marx 'being a idiot' factor into him being the most evil person in history? Theres millions of idiots in the world, does that - by default - make them insanely evil?

"Marxism is a religion, with its adherents blindly following it like the sheep all these atheists keep accusing other "recognized" religions of creating."

Its a theory. Its the Marxist Theory. Not a religon. And even if it was, those sheep have every single right in the world.


And i would like to say one more thing about this topic.

To every evil there is a good. This is true in everything. Hitler, to the world, may appear evil (and, to me, he was) but he had his reasons. Marx isnt evil. He may have, in a round-about way caused alot of suffering, but im certain this was NEVER his intention. Take a look at the guys who made the Atomic bomb. Were they inheratintly evil? The guy who made TNT? The guys who made flying possible? Nowadays, planes are able to drop bombs on a city and burn it to the ground- Is this the Wright brothers fault?

You are blaming Marx for far-reaching effects noone could have intended to happen.

In any case, im tired and have no intrest in this discussion anymore. ive said what i want, and ive outlined the fact that i belive to be true.

G'Night.

 

[HumpinHop]

I'll break up the monotony and say Christian Weston Chandler, although some of you may know him as Chris-Chan.

http://www.sonichu.com/cwcki/Main_Page

A look under the 'Did you Know...' on the front page gives you only the shadow of a glimpse of an insight into this despicable human being. He's never tried to exterminate an entire religion or enslave humanity, but he's evil on a distinctly human level. Every aspect of his life is outright disgusting and is a lamphrey siphoning off the lifeblood of society. There's literally not one redeemable aspect to his personality yet he possesses an overpowering ego despite everything.

He's evil on a different level, but it just makes him...worse.

My IQ plummeted just from reading that. What the fuck was it? I need an aspirin.

Such is the dreadful power of Chris-Chan. Be warned all ye who venture to his wiki, for it is a dark path from which no man shall return.

 

[Pinkamena]

Attilla the Hun, he just went around destroying villages and claiming land.

 

[RandomNameRandom]

Karl Marx. That broke self hating Jew has been responsible for the starvation, murder, and forced imprisonment of over 100 million people over the course of the last century.

You seem to forget that Karl was probably the most caring person in the world.

In a time when if you were poor, you were nothing, Karl was the one person in the world too look at this system of life and say "This is wrong, im going to do something about it!"

My arse hes Evil.

What did he do, aside from write a book and be anti-Semitic? Oh, and also encourage eugenics (the science behind Hitler's crazy racial superiority theory)? He sat around and bitched about things without lifting a finger to change them. Aside from, again, writing a book.

Eugenics were a common ideal throughout history. Most people in that time followed the ideal.
And so what "If he only wrote a book!" Books are powerfull things, and often shape history. Look at the bible for gods sake. Thats shaped history. People follow the bible, and in many cases, its made theyre lives better - so who says that Karl's book cant?

And plus- You claim that Karl Marx is the "MOST EVIL PERSON IN HISTORY" Because he wrote a book that reportedly resulted in the "Starvation, Murder and Forced Imprisonment of over 100 million people!"? Im certain that He didnt intend that. Again ill use the bible as an example, or even religon in general; This was not the intended effect.

And finaly, a technicality- There is not a single country in the world that correctly follows Karl's ideals. The closest anyone has ever gotten is China.

Socialism and Communism are not the same thing. Karl spoke of Communism. Russia, Cuba, China, Korea, Vietnam and whatever else are Socialist. There is a difference.

Read my discussion with the RandomNameRandom person, I am intimately familiar with the difference between communism and socialism. In Marx's thinking, socialism is a step on the road to communism, so therefore you have to be socialist before you can be communist.

And because no one has done it "correctly", we should just keep letting these muderous dictatorships spring up in the hope that one of them MIGHT get it right? Which, by the way, all of the countries you mentioned, in essence, saw out Marx's thoughts to their inevitable conclusion because, aside from being an anti-Semite and a hypocrite, Marx was also an idiot who thought he knew something about philosophy and so tried to impose his warped view of how reality should be upon the rest of the world. If anything, Marxism is a religion, with its adherents blindly following it like the sheep all these atheists keep accusing other "recognized" religions of creating.

I don't recall Marx being an anti-Semite and even if he was it didn't affect the views of the people his book inspired. Look at this quote from Vladimir Lenin, you know the guy who founded the Soviet Union and was actually interested in making it a better place:

"The landowners and capitalists tried to divert the hatred of the workers and peasants who were tortured by want against the Jews. ... It is not the Jews who are the enemies of the working people. The enemies of the workers are the capitalists of all countries. Among the Jews there are working people, and they form the majority. They are our brothers, who, like us, are oppressed by capital; they are our comrades in the struggle for socialism. ... The capitalists strive to sow and foment hatred between workers of different faiths, different nations and different races. ... Rich Jews, like rich Russians, and the rich in all countries, are in alliance to oppress, crush, rob, and disunite the workers. ... Shame on those who foment hatred towards the Jews, who foment hatred towards other nations."

 

[RandomNameRandom]

I don't recall Marx being an anti-Semite and even if he was it didn't affect the views of the people his book inspired. Look at this quote from Vladimir Lenin, you know the guy who founded the Soviet Union and was actually interested in making it a better place:

"The landowners and capitalists tried to divert the hatred of the workers and peasants who were tortured by want against the Jews. ... It is not the Jews who are the enemies of the working people. The enemies of the workers are the capitalists of all countries. Among the Jews there are working people, and they form the majority. They are our brothers, who, like us, are oppressed by capital; they are our comrades in the struggle for socialism. ... The capitalists strive to sow and foment hatred between workers of different faiths, different nations and different races. ... Rich Jews, like rich Russians, and the rich in all countries, are in alliance to oppress, crush, rob, and disunite the workers. ... Shame on those who foment hatred towards the Jews, who foment hatred towards other nations."

Your willful ignorance would be cute if it wasnt so infuriating. I guess we should just discount all of the Jews who were killed and/or driven from their homes by the Soviets. Yep, socialists didnt do anything at all to the Jews. Move along, nothing to see here.

Like it or not, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Che, Castro, etc were all influenced by Marx's writing. Simply because the man didnt pull the trigger himself, doesnt mean he isnt to blame for all the death and misery these fuckwits caused.

It wasn't just Jews who were driven from their homes, millions of peasants were forcibly relocated under Stalin, especially after the first three five-year plans. Just because Jewish people accounted for a portion of those people does not mean that Stalin's disregard for people and life overall was focused at just the Jew's in his country but affected everyone in his country. Also, Stalin was not inspired by Marx's teachings but rather took power after the man who was (Lenin) died. We cannot blame Stalin's horrors on Lenin because Lenin never intended what happened or even wanted Stalin to hold power, in fact he asked that Stalin not be put in charge in his will but, Stalin got to his will first.
Oh, and also the person that you had argued with before brought up an interesting point, can you blame the makers of the plane for all the deaths from bombings?

 

[KennardKId5]

If I had to name some one in the present, it would probably be OPEC.

Of All-time? Stalin.

 

[Nightmare-Child]

Steve Jobs has my vote.

 

[Valkyrie101]

My two cents regarding Marx: he wasn't evil. Evil requires malice, and he wasn't malicious. He was, however, a deranged, irrational moron whose solution to all of the world's problems was to build an 'ideal society', without really bothering to put much effort into thinking it through: because hey, once the workers are liberated, things will just sort themselves out. Deluded dreamer and inadvertently responsible for monstrous evil, but not personally evil.

The most evil person in history was probably some unknown serial killer.

 

[RandomNameRandom]

I don't recall Marx being an anti-Semite and even if he was it didn't affect the views of the people his book inspired. Look at this quote from Vladimir Lenin, you know the guy who founded the Soviet Union and was actually interested in making it a better place:

"The landowners and capitalists tried to divert the hatred of the workers and peasants who were tortured by want against the Jews. ... It is not the Jews who are the enemies of the working people. The enemies of the workers are the capitalists of all countries. Among the Jews there are working people, and they form the majority. They are our brothers, who, like us, are oppressed by capital; they are our comrades in the struggle for socialism. ... The capitalists strive to sow and foment hatred between workers of different faiths, different nations and different races. ... Rich Jews, like rich Russians, and the rich in all countries, are in alliance to oppress, crush, rob, and disunite the workers. ... Shame on those who foment hatred towards the Jews, who foment hatred towards other nations."

Your willful ignorance would be cute if it wasnt so infuriating. I guess we should just discount all of the Jews who were killed and/or driven from their homes by the Soviets. Yep, socialists didnt do anything at all to the Jews. Move along, nothing to see here.

Like it or not, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Che, Castro, etc were all influenced by Marx's writing. Simply because the man didnt pull the trigger himself, doesnt mean he isnt to blame for all the death and misery these fuckwits caused.

It wasn't just Jews who were driven from their homes, millions of peasants were forcibly relocated under Stalin, especially after the first three five-year plans. Just because Jewish people accounted for a portion of those people does not mean that Stalin's disregard for people and life overall was focused at just the Jew's in his country but affected everyone in his country. Also, Stalin was not inspired by Marx's teachings but rather took power after the man who was (Lenin) died. We cannot blame Stalin's horrors on Lenin because Lenin never intended what happened or even wanted Stalin to hold power, in fact he asked that Stalin not be put in charge in his will but, Stalin got to his will first.
Oh, and also the person that you had argued with before brought up an interesting point, can you blame the makers of the plane for all the deaths from bombings?

Hmmm you could, since the Wrights almost immediately agreed to start designing fighters after they proved that heavier than air travel was possible. I dont think you should, but again if you wanted to, I wont stop you. Just as I wont stop blaming Marx for all the death and suffering caused by those ostensibly working in his name.

You seem to be hung up on Stalin, even though he was as much a socialist as Lenin was and simply continued the work Lenin had started. But even if you say that Stalin wasnt influenced by Marx, can you say the same about Mao? Pol Pot? Castro? Ho Chi Minh? Che Guevera? All of these "men" were tyrants, despots, and murderers, all following the delusional fantasy of a broke German who was an ardent racist and anti-Semite.


And a little aside: Marx's philosophy is not altruistic. It is vengeance masquerading as economics. The bourgeois and the society they built to protect their interests must be destroyed in order for Marx's vision to be fulfilled. That is one of the reasons why you see so much "liquidation" of the intellectuals and the wealthy: it is simply the "righteous retribution" of centuries of exploitation by these bourgeoisie classes.

These tyrants never actually followed Marxist principles though and that's the entire reason we shouldn't blame Marx for what happened, just because the power-obsessed people did it with the CLAIM that they were following Marx's ideas when in fact they were just distorting them so they could use that to their advantage. You could say that almost any inventor or philosopher is evil because their ideas indirectly brought suffering, in fact you could call Albert Einstein evil a lot more directly than Marx because he played a massive part in the invention of the atomic bomb, something designed to kill people and of course we could accuse the inventor of scissors to be evil because people get stabbed but we don't because that's not the goal of scissors just like the totalitarian nightmare of the previous supposedly "communist" countries wasn't Marx's intention.
Oh and this was late because I was on reddit while waiting for your response to my last post =P

 

[Crazy Zaul]

If I had to name some one in the present, it would probably be OPEC.

Lembit Opec? His not evil hes just Welsh.

 

[Travis Higuet]

The most evil men/women in earths history are the ones who thought of, implemented and then the following;
-slavery
-rape
-discrimination
-war

and the people who attempted to justify these using the following;
-race
-sex
-age
-religion
-money( or the promise of)
-fear/superstition

What blows me away is that at some point no matter what you believe, there wa a point in time when none of these things existed, someone had to be first.

True, but consider that these things were all invented long before man began recording history on cave walls, and I doubt very much that one single individual "invented" any of them anyways. They were byproducts of the situation. Our tribe has a dispute with this other tribe over who gets to let their animals drink at the closest watering hole. What should we do. We should go there and threaten them. (situation escalates) what should we do with the ones we captured? Lets make them work for the mates of the men they killed. etc.. etc... Not a justification mind you, just explaining that it is unlikely that any single person "invented" slavery, or war..... or anything else we find distasteful.

 

[Travis Higuet]

Rupert Murdock anyone?

Don't let your blind partisan hatred of the scapegoat liberalism has set up for you blind you to the true evil that has existed just in this century alone. Seriously.... Rupert Murdock? What garbage.

 

[IsraelRocks]

GOD


got my favorite atheist quite to back me up on this

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

 

[neonsword13-ops]

People that force their children to compete in "Beauty Pagents".

I want them all to burn in hell. All while wearing undersized pink dresses.

 

[Jegsimmons]

every asshole who kills in the name of religion/belief and makes the rest of us look bad.

and who ever decided to give youtube a comment section.