Most Tragic Villain
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Yeah, I know, I was actually one of those disgruntled fans before it came out, "WHAT PaPER MARIO = RPG, WAT IZ ThIS CrRAP!" Then, I, you know, played it. Can't wait for the return to form though in Paper Mario 3D. Well, Romeo & Juliet can't help, but be a template for more complicated stories, then again I think it was based off an older even simpler story...Semudara said:
I knew I forgot a Primarch from those stories, sneaky little Alpharius...Nouw said:
Yeah, the whole Heresy is pretty much the biggest tragedy I've read about in a sci-fi setting. So much information lost during the civil war on Mars, the hopes of mankind ruling the stars alone forever gone, the Emperor's son's fighting one another as legion turns against legion in bloody combat....
Sorry if I got a little prose there, just the Heresy is like Nouw said, just one great tragedy taking place across the stars.
Ah, yes. Went insane, took a bunch of Green Lantern rings to fight the enemy and eventually his mind collapsed...magnuslion said:
Aribeth from Neverwinter Nights. The girl served almost all of her life to Tyr as his Paladin, only to be turned evil and have her spirit broken, then sent to Hell after death...
Lelouch from Code Geass can count too. All he wanted is for the Japanese to be free, without living in fear every day. It kiiiinda worked out bad for him. Ultimate sacrifice, you might say. He went from Hero to Z... Villain in about 2 episodes.
You didn't try to make it tragic enough. Remember Lucifer was an angel, and doesn't have free will. That's what makes it tragic.chaosyoshimage said:
Yeah, I honestly apologize for my crappy comment. I should have went into some semblance of detail.vxicepickxv said:
From the series I can remember I would say that Suigintou from Rozen Maiden counts. She's absolutely my favorite villain ever[footnote]besides
<-----------[/footnote] and she's really my favorite character in that entire show. I don't really think of Ryan as a villian though. Fontaine was more villianous.
<-----------[/footnote] and she's really my favorite character in that entire show. I don't really think of Ryan as a villian though. Fontaine was more villianous.
I feel Arthas was one.He was doing everything he thought was right to save his kingdom from an undead infestation and basically lost his mind and was finally corrupted by the same evil he was trying to stop and in the end became that same evil and finally destroyed his kingdom, killed his father, lost his love and in the end his life
I'm still only on Legion at the moment, so I can't speak for the other legions. They really make the Wolves out to be bad guys? Damn, I loved those guys.dalek sec said:
I notice someone else also mentioned Alpharius as being pretty tragic, though I've still got about 100 pages to get there yet. Really need to finish that now.
But yeah, I'd also third the notion that the entire Heresy is indeed tragic, seeing as the entire thing is just based on lies and half truths that ultimately screwed everyone over in the worst ways possible. None of the primarchs was inherently "bad" to start with, (well, maybe Angron, but that's what happens when you get drugs pumped into your brain to make you more vicious in a gladiatorial arena), they were all just tricked and/or misguided.
Religion?chaosyoshimage said:
OT: You know what? I'm going to say the wicked witch of the west. Having a house dropped on your sister, being taunted by your enemy, and having your deceased relatives body desecrated while stealing thier shoes would make me a little bitchy to.
I am going to go out on a limb here and call gats from berserk and now I will explain why.Outcast107 said:
He started off born from his dead mother in pool of blood that was his entire village and family decapitated and nailed to a tree where he was picked up by a traveling mercenary group. He had a adopted mother and father but his father and most of the group hated him as it was seen as a bad omen to take him on the way they did. Eventually his mother dies of a desease and he I is inturn blamed because of him being considered a omen. He is emediatly put to work at the age of five in brutal wars stabing and killing other men to help earn money for the mercenary group. At about age 10 he is sold to a member of the mercenary group for the night by his adopted father where he is raped. His father comes back drunk one night and attempts to kill him in his grief over his dead wife where gatts accedently kills him and is in turn chased away into the wilderness by the mercenarys and then quickly becomes attacked by wolves and falls from a cliff. skip ahead about 9 years he has been fighting in different mercenary groups all his life all he knows is murder but at least hes skilled at it. He is picked up by a mecenary group and eventually becomes the second in comand and the strongest member and even gets a girl friend. He finally starts to open up and live a little when the leader of group (his best friend) becomes captured by the king for sleeping with the princess and is totured to the point where his is only a living skeleton as all his mucles are removed and is starved and beaten for 6 months. Eventually gatts rescues him only for his best friend to decide to sacrafice the entire mercenary group to the gods to gain power and become a god himself now that sounds brutal but sacrifice was more like demons comming and eating all of gatts friends in front of him and his best friend procedes to rape and impregnate his gf while makeing gatts watch. gatts manages to survive but his girl friends mind is destroyed and he loses a eye and one of his arms. And the story is STILL GOING so more shit keeps happening I mean he is deffinatly the most tragic easily.
Nox from the French cartoon Wakfu
Nox is a powrful Xelor (mage who can manipulate time and space) so is obsess with gathering wakfu (life force) into the Elicube (kind of like the Comic Cube in Marvel comic).
The origin to Nox can be watched in one of Wakfu TV special. Otherwise click on the spoiler and your own peril.
All I can say without any spoiler is while we often want to go back to the past to correct a mistake; he is the one who wanted that the most. While his past is a tragic one but I cannot fully feel sorry for him since it was his own selfish fault for his tragedy to happen in he first place.
Nox is a powrful Xelor (mage who can manipulate time and space) so is obsess with gathering wakfu (life force) into the Elicube (kind of like the Comic Cube in Marvel comic).
The origin to Nox can be watched in one of Wakfu TV special. Otherwise click on the spoiler and your own peril.
He is kind of like Smergle/ Gollum from Lord of the Ring. He was original a normal and healthy human who used to have a loving family (a beautiful wife and three kids). He was a great inventor but that doesn't pay the rent from his awful landlord. While he was under in debt but he is content with his family which is all he needed.
Anyway one day he stumbles upon a cube (Elicube) in a cave found by the family pet dog. He soon discover the cube had alot of powers and he spend alot of time trying to unlock the secret to it
This had become an obsession as he started to ignore his wife and children who pleaded to come back to them. He didn't listen as he continues to experiment the cube in his shed.
Some time later he had became skinny and suffers from insomnia but he may a discovery. He went to his family in their house to find it was empty. He found a letter that she took the kids to her sister who lived in a island and left the house.
While he did pack up to go to them but he "hear" the cube calling to him and he went back to the shed believing he is almost close to unlocking the cube powers.
Later on the landlord found in a crazy state and told him of the tragic news. His family had died in a raging storm that hit the island. In a fit of rage he kills the landlord and he became Nox.
He is the antagonist of the series as he is obsess absorbing all the Wakfu (life force) into the Elicube as he discover it possess the power of time travel which he will used to stop his mistake (forget the cube and be with his family). He had been gathering a lot of Wakfu for many years and in the last episode his plan had succeeded. He use the Elicube power and to his shock the time travel only took back 20 minutes not 200 years (he had a long life) he had expected. He pretty much cry at his failure and teleported away.
Anyway one day he stumbles upon a cube (Elicube) in a cave found by the family pet dog. He soon discover the cube had alot of powers and he spend alot of time trying to unlock the secret to it
This had become an obsession as he started to ignore his wife and children who pleaded to come back to them. He didn't listen as he continues to experiment the cube in his shed.
Some time later he had became skinny and suffers from insomnia but he may a discovery. He went to his family in their house to find it was empty. He found a letter that she took the kids to her sister who lived in a island and left the house.
While he did pack up to go to them but he "hear" the cube calling to him and he went back to the shed believing he is almost close to unlocking the cube powers.
Later on the landlord found in a crazy state and told him of the tragic news. His family had died in a raging storm that hit the island. In a fit of rage he kills the landlord and he became Nox.
He is the antagonist of the series as he is obsess absorbing all the Wakfu (life force) into the Elicube as he discover it possess the power of time travel which he will used to stop his mistake (forget the cube and be with his family). He had been gathering a lot of Wakfu for many years and in the last episode his plan had succeeded. He use the Elicube power and to his shock the time travel only took back 20 minutes not 200 years (he had a long life) he had expected. He pretty much cry at his failure and teleported away.
As a total MGS 3 fanboy, my answer is The Boss. She is still the only character from a game atleast that I honestly didn't want to fight, and after the ending I felt like curling up in to a ball for a week.
Possibly Loki from Norse Mythology, depending upon the interpretation.
Taken from his home and forced into being a bastard 'son' to, quite frankly, a jerk (Odin).
His power was probably 4th greatest in the whole of Asgard (Odin, Heimdall, Thor then Loki) yet he was way down on the pecking order simply because he was a bastard.
He is given a role in which he is to cause mischief, then gets chewed out when he 'goes too far'. A mischief-maker with powers of a God wasn't supposed to go all out in his job? Again, Odin is really not so likeable.
It took being kicked out of his home for the guy to get a break, he finds a nice girl (Angrboda) and settles down, getting himself three kids (Fenris, Jormungand, Hel).
Unfortunately his troubles aren't over, as his foster-father/babynapper decides he just isn't done being a douche, takes each of the three kids and visits some bad news upon each one.
The youngest (Hel) he banishes to a crappy desk-job in the realm of dishonourable death, never to return until the worlds end. Fun times.
The middle child (Jormungand) is thrown into the sea. Nothing else really to say here, Odin tried to drown the kid.
The oldest and most promising (Fenris) is sent to a dungeon forever, with an unbreakable rope preventing him from opening his mouth further and a sword between his jaws preventing him from closing them.
Finally, the guy is hunted down by his tool of an older half-brother (Thor) and his jerkjock buddies when he is out having a nice quiet swim. He is chained to a rock for eternity, his eyes forced open and a snake drips venom into them forever.
That's one interpretation of Loki's life, and it could be seen as pretty damn tragic.
Taken from his home and forced into being a bastard 'son' to, quite frankly, a jerk (Odin).
His power was probably 4th greatest in the whole of Asgard (Odin, Heimdall, Thor then Loki) yet he was way down on the pecking order simply because he was a bastard.
He is given a role in which he is to cause mischief, then gets chewed out when he 'goes too far'. A mischief-maker with powers of a God wasn't supposed to go all out in his job? Again, Odin is really not so likeable.
It took being kicked out of his home for the guy to get a break, he finds a nice girl (Angrboda) and settles down, getting himself three kids (Fenris, Jormungand, Hel).
Unfortunately his troubles aren't over, as his foster-father/babynapper decides he just isn't done being a douche, takes each of the three kids and visits some bad news upon each one.
The youngest (Hel) he banishes to a crappy desk-job in the realm of dishonourable death, never to return until the worlds end. Fun times.
The middle child (Jormungand) is thrown into the sea. Nothing else really to say here, Odin tried to drown the kid.
The oldest and most promising (Fenris) is sent to a dungeon forever, with an unbreakable rope preventing him from opening his mouth further and a sword between his jaws preventing him from closing them.
Finally, the guy is hunted down by his tool of an older half-brother (Thor) and his jerkjock buddies when he is out having a nice quiet swim. He is chained to a rock for eternity, his eyes forced open and a snake drips venom into them forever.
That's one interpretation of Loki's life, and it could be seen as pretty damn tragic.
Mr. Freeze, obviously. And Kessler from inFAMOUS. And possibly Elphaba from Wicked... depending on how you view her character...