The Amazing Spider-Man 2: Better Than Broody Gritty Wah Wah
Yeah I liked it. What? What!?
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Movie Defense Force: The Amazing Spider-Man 2: Better Than Broody Gritty Wah Wah
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You really need to do a no right answer episode with moviebob about the Spiderman movie, assuming that moviebob doesn?t kill you for liking this movie.
I also liked it, sure the story is a mess and besides the rhino the villains motivations make no sense, and the story focuses heavily on the gwenXpeter romance which we know is pointless since they make it perfectly clear that Gwen is dead meat.
But the action and acting is great, and despite it having been foreshadowed way too much I did think that Gwen?s death was pretty effective.
I still think the raimi films are better and would have rather seen Spiderman 4, also I never understood the hate Tobey Maguire gets.
I also liked it, sure the story is a mess and besides the rhino the villains motivations make no sense, and the story focuses heavily on the gwenXpeter romance which we know is pointless since they make it perfectly clear that Gwen is dead meat.
But the action and acting is great, and despite it having been foreshadowed way too much I did think that Gwen?s death was pretty effective.
I still think the raimi films are better and would have rather seen Spiderman 4, also I never understood the hate Tobey Maguire gets.
I love Jim but I gotta take Bob's side on this issue, although Jim's relaxed enjoyment of the film is completely okay and it seems like these film were shooting for casual moviegoers anyway.Mangod said:
I enjoyed it as well. Moviebob's hyperbolic review where he literally started crying about the damn film was ridiculous. The movie wasn't a masterpiece in anyway but it was fun to watch.
Dear lord you must be joking. I get that there are people who really like this new Spidey, but it just doesn't work.
Maybe you've already read it, Jim, but if not, you should check out Film Critic Hulk's take on the movie. Probably the smartest movie review I've ever read. http://badassdigest.com/2014/05/06/film-crit-hulk-smash-hulks-237-burning-questions-for-the-amazing-spider-man/
For some reason, after reading that sentence, my mind just called back to that Comic-Con episode of The Cleveland Show that depicted Kevin Smith and Harry Knowles fighting over a corn dog...themilo504 said:
I'm on the side that sees that both Spiderman films have their pros and cons such as the Rami films having better villains (I mean come on, Dafoe as the Green Goblin, it's an automatic win) but there is one thing that the reboot does beat the original in and that is this:
Gwen Stacy is a better girlfriend than Mary Jane, there I said it. MJ is the reason why I didn't like the original trilogy, she's not a character, she's a tool to make Spiderman look good, their relationship is just bland, there's the constant breaking up and getting back together bullcrap for all three films and of course "MJ is in some kind of danger cliché". Gwen on the other hand, helps Spiderman, has a more interesting character and their relationship is more believable compared to MJ's blandness
Gwen Stacy is a better girlfriend than Mary Jane, there I said it. MJ is the reason why I didn't like the original trilogy, she's not a character, she's a tool to make Spiderman look good, their relationship is just bland, there's the constant breaking up and getting back together bullcrap for all three films and of course "MJ is in some kind of danger cliché". Gwen on the other hand, helps Spiderman, has a more interesting character and their relationship is more believable compared to MJ's blandness
I haven't seen the movie, so I can't comment except to say that while nothing about the current movie franchise appeals to me (and the previous movie actually angers me quite a bit), there is nothing at all wrong with watching people do fun, cool stuff you wish you could do, and Mr. Sterling's response is inherently defensible.
Now I need to yell at someone.
If you insist on ragging on someone's review, please rag on things the review actually says.
Now I need to yell at someone.
That did not happen. You are making shit up. Here [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/escape-to-the-movies/9126-The-Amazing-Spider-Man-2-The-Movie-That-Broke-MovieBob] is a link to his review, wherein I do not believe he is speaking in hyperbole and wherein it is a provable fact that he neither cries nor references crying.Fusioncode9 said:
If you insist on ragging on someone's review, please rag on things the review actually says.
Is that the one where he said the film was so bad it killed his desire to be a critic? Because I cringed, I cringed more than I did when watching the movie, which was incredibly cringe-worthy. But good for a few chuckles.Fusioncode9 said:
I liked the 1st one at the time but for the 2nd I agree with Bob. They ruined Spiderman and all his villains and the film is irredeemably awful. After sitting through all that shit, then when I saw Rhino I thought 'WTF?, I'm done with this franchise'. Hes just a tank, the fact that its shaped like a rhino is pretty much irrelevant. Hes more like an Iron Man enemy now.
The new stupid bullshit story about Peter's parents was the worst part of ASM 1 and barely even amounts to anything in 2. Dumbing everything down to just 'Oscorp is bad and responsible for everything bad that ever happens' is stupid.
The new stupid bullshit story about Peter's parents was the worst part of ASM 1 and barely even amounts to anything in 2. Dumbing everything down to just 'Oscorp is bad and responsible for everything bad that ever happens' is stupid.
I do always find it amusing how people complain about reboots so much more nowadays when they have always existed in film, just look at how many Dracula, Frankenstein and other book's saw adaptions every few years pre internet.
Adapting the same book over and over again fine but doing it with a film WAAH!
And rebooting comic books wow big deal I do find it funny how the MCU Hulk reboot was fine but Sony doing it to Spiderman is too far.
How is it any different than when comics change creative teams all the damn time. If this many people dropped comics because of those changing there would be no super hero comics anymore.
Adapting the same book over and over again fine but doing it with a film WAAH!
And rebooting comic books wow big deal I do find it funny how the MCU Hulk reboot was fine but Sony doing it to Spiderman is too far.
How is it any different than when comics change creative teams all the damn time. If this many people dropped comics because of those changing there would be no super hero comics anymore.
Sorry but no, I don't agree with Jim. It was painfully obvious that the movie was not made to tell a story but rather just an obligation, just the next cog in the franchise milking machine, existing only to act as the glue for the next bunch of movies that will inevitably be churned out. Fox was terrible both as the stereotype nerd and as the completely forgettable and bland Electro. Goblin and Rhino have less than 10 minutes of screen time combined and that is a fucking crime when so much time was wasted instead on the ultimately pointless romance with Gwen. I shouldn't be stuck with Twilight or Star was prequels awkward romances in a super hero movie!
Rewatching the original recently I thought "Jesus Christ! Mary Jane is a whore!" A bit of hyperbole, but I thought "Christ! How many guys is she "in love with" in this movie? First it was Flash, then they broke up and she got with Harry. Then, while dating Harry, she did the upside-down kiss with Spiderman. Then, while still dating Harry, she "had a moment" with Peter while in Aunt May's hospital room that Harry witnessed, told Norman Osborne about, and Norman realized he could use her to get to Peter. Then, she tells Peter that she loves him, and kisses him, in the cemetery where Harry's (the guy she was still sorta dating - we never see them officially break up, though they had the spat at thanksgiving when he didn't defend her to his father) father was JUST BURIED.Kitsune Hunter said:
What...the...fuck? It struck me, "Mary Jane isn't a character...she's just a plot device." Re-watch and see how much time she spends screaming. It got really old really fast.
I didn't care for Gwen in the first Amazing Spiderman, and I haven't seen the second, but I didn't dislike her. I just couldn't get involved in her knowing ultimately where her story arc was going. Also, Amazing Spiderman wasn't very good at making engaging characters.
Movie Defense Force is slowly morphing from "Jim defends unpopular movies that actually have merit" to "Jim just has shit taste in movies".
Of course, taste is entirely subjective, so if he enjoyed ASM2, good for him. His taste clearly doesn't align with mine, though, so I won't really be taking his opinion on this seriously.
Of course, taste is entirely subjective, so if he enjoyed ASM2, good for him. His taste clearly doesn't align with mine, though, so I won't really be taking his opinion on this seriously.
After seeing the Nostalgia Critic video concerning these films I kind of realised just how little I cared about the Raimi films, not that I don't respect them for helping come about this GOLDEN AGE OF COMIC BOOK MOVIES!
I never saw the first film but Amazing Spiderman 2 had a far more likable Peter and Gwen actually had character unlike another red haired love interest. Not to mention Gwen had a purpose, unlike half of the Marvel love interests, seriously what was the point of Jane Foster in Thor 2?
The death scene was also very good. The THUNK her head made when it hit the floor was harsh.
By some strange coincidence just before going into the film I was asking myself why movies don't have OST tracks for individual characters, for example:
Wouldn't you know it, Electro had his own theme and it was awesome.
There's a lot I don't like about the film, the villain designs are all to safe and thus forgettable, Peters parents were a lazy set up tool and the plot near the back end of the film has some real stupid parts in service to world building. Also, Harry breaking in to Ravencroft so he could break out Electro so he could help Harry break into Oscorp ~BREEEEEEATH~ was just dumb.
But Garfield and Stone were good and the insywinsy spider scene was badass, the film was okay... but the world building could go F itself.
I never saw the first film but Amazing Spiderman 2 had a far more likable Peter and Gwen actually had character unlike another red haired love interest. Not to mention Gwen had a purpose, unlike half of the Marvel love interests, seriously what was the point of Jane Foster in Thor 2?
The death scene was also very good. The THUNK her head made when it hit the floor was harsh.
By some strange coincidence just before going into the film I was asking myself why movies don't have OST tracks for individual characters, for example:
Wouldn't you know it, Electro had his own theme and it was awesome.
There's a lot I don't like about the film, the villain designs are all to safe and thus forgettable, Peters parents were a lazy set up tool and the plot near the back end of the film has some real stupid parts in service to world building. Also, Harry breaking in to Ravencroft so he could break out Electro so he could help Harry break into Oscorp ~BREEEEEEATH~ was just dumb.
But Garfield and Stone were good and the insywinsy spider scene was badass, the film was okay... but the world building could go F itself.