Haven't they both been pushing that weird relationship since BTAS? Leaked into Batman Beyond as well. I wonder which person specifically came up with the idea that BatGIRL should have the hots for BatMAN.
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Timm also approved of Barbara and Bruce's former "romantic relationship" in Batman Beyond. Even as a kid, I thought that was creepy and unnecessary.
Yep.
I can get having Barbara maybe having a small crush on Bruce but feel having it go beyond it being some kind of private admiration is a mistake.
I mean, not only did she have more than a crush, she fucking cheated on Dick with Bruce, Bruce's son for all intents and purposes. God that's so fucked up.
That's the thing it went beyond a small crush. It's outright stated in Batman Beyond.
Also, this is creepy! Keep in mind, this takes place in the same continuity as the DCAU. Batman Beyond is part of the DCAU continuity.
I heard about that. It's in the comics continuity that takes place after Return Of The Joker. As far as I'm concerned, all that is non-canon.
Brian Azzarello, to my knowledge, never worked on the DCAU. That was the tag team of Bruce Timm and Paul Dini. So the whole Bruce and Barbara is mainly Timm’s thing but presumably Dini was reining him in. Also by the time Batman Beyond occurs, there’s enough ambiguity in the whole thing as to when any kind of affair happened between them.
On that note, thank fuck Justice League and Unlimited had the Bat-Embargo, because that show spent its runtime stringing along the idea of Batman and Wonder Woman - something I personally can get behind - as one of the many romances on the show and frankly, it was a fuck ton healthier.
Hot take: Cowboy Bebop live action was good!
I mean, I dunno, I enjoyed it well enough. Really made me realize John Cho is a star.
I mean, I dunno, I enjoyed it well enough. Really made me realize John Cho is a star.
More power to you, if you enjoy it. There is a reason why the show got canceled after one season though. Most people didn't have a problem with the casting decisions last I checked. The problem with the show is the useless padding or changing or adding context that wasn't needed for key or certain scenes. Also the ruination of a couple of characters. I'm referring to Julia and Vicious. Especially the latter. That character might as well be a in-name only adaption of the real thing. Not sure if you know Netflix's standard because of operation, but when you get into the back room corporate and politics of it, it becomes frustrating. You can see exactly why the show failed. Part 2 of the videos is most important.
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How could they have ruined Julia when she wasn't even a character in the original, just a named object for the men to fight over?
I'm not saying her portrayal was great in the remake but at least it existed. It's still full of horrifically outdated tropes and a weird presentation but at least she was a person this time around.
Vicious- the best and worst part of the remake. So stupidly over the top silly. For sure the best part of Bebop is the crew of Bebop and that's one of the reasons I liked it.
I will check out those videos out of curiosity for sure, though. Like I'm NOT saying the show was GOOD just that I expected it to be dogshit and I was pleasantly surprised to derive some actual entertainment. I'm not crying over its demise, just comparing it to certain other IPs that never f'n end and was a bit miffed that this one gets dismissed while the others don't.
I'm not saying the original had the most characterization, but she at least had an air mystery & some class to her. In the live action and action, she just kind of comes off as a whining brat. I don't remember every detail, I just know I didn't like it and wanted to forget about it.
Welcome to Netflix. They've done this more often than you think. That's exactly why it's frustrating. The live-action Bebop was not the only one to suffer from this. Regardless of each shows' quality.
Having a character isn't inherently better than having no character (Note: I haven't seen the anime or live action Cowboy Bebop). The reason so many main characters are very bland in games isn't actually so that you can put yourself in their shoes but because if the character that you're spending most of the game with has a character trait that rubs a player the wrong way then they will hate every second they are with them.
We need more characters like her in anime. None of that tsundere, "HENTAI NO BAKA!!", bullshit.
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If I may quote the lyrics to a song.
I'm breaking the news, now boys! Us girls
We're full-time
Horny too!
I watched the latest trailer for The Old Republic (which is about all the value that property provides to me lol), and it had me thinking that 70% of the crazy lightsaber action they do could be pulled off in live action. That we've had almost a decade of Star Wars under Disney and barely any good lightsaber duels is insanity.
I don't even need all the flips and earth shattering Force pushes. Just something more than two dudes whacking away at each other with barely any choreography.
I don't even need all the flips and earth shattering Force pushes. Just something more than two dudes whacking away at each other with barely any choreography.
Also one other thing. I think the actual issue with that trope isn't someone reacting like that but what they're reacting to. Love Hina is the perfect example of continuos over-reaction being ground into the dirt. On the other hand, I'd say something like Kaname getting furious at Souseke for blowing up her locker in Full Metal Panic is completely appropriate and funny (to me).
That's the problem though, It's always a big overreaction, or the girl in question hating on the guy for little to no reason, other than him existing. Or because the script says so.
I've never seen full metal panic, but something like that actually makes sense. You don't have to be a tsundere for that type of reaction. That's a reaction anyone will have. I know I would be mad, if somebody blew up my locker when I was in high school.
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See, Full Metal Panic works because Souseke is front line combat soldier but has all the social graces of a potty. His military training is par excellence because he was a child soldier but that training is now a hammer, and when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
Plus the show never overplays Kaname's physical strength for comedy; so when Souseke gets slapped, he feels it as much as you'd expect a professional hardman to feel getting slapped by a teenage girl.
Honestly, I think probably the best lightsaber fight in the franchise was when Sidious fought Maul and Opress in the Clone Wars series. And that's entirely because of Sidious actually feeling like a powerful precognitive and telekinetic fighter. The guy opens up by pinning his opponents to the wall and releases them only to toy with them in melee combat. He controls the entire fight and always knows exactly where the next attack is coming from. He's fast enough that he never needs to be careful of his foes' formations, instead overwhelming them even when they try to pincer attack him. And on top of his attacks having far more weight than should be physically possible for him, he occasionally supplements it by simply grabbing his foes with the Force and throwing them. It feels so unnatural in all the right ways considering the skillset that those trained in the Force are supposed to have.
