Man, how the hell is G number one? These people really don't know their letters.Carzinex said:
MovieBob leaving The Escapist
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I'm going to have to add to the ever growing pile of people saying that my only reason to come here anymore is Zero Punctuation and the forums.
I looked forward to his content regularly, but at the same time, I've always been rather mixed about his work overall. As far as fat guys with a strong social justice focus, Jim has always gain far more respect from me than Bob. Behind the shouty persona and crass humour, Jim always seemed to address both sides of the debate and actually explain his conclusion. And while I don't necessarily always agree with everything he says, I can respect someone who sincerely realises that most social issues are far more complex than the "idiots Vs Us" mentality that is far too common. Whereas Bob often seemed far more smug and condescending towards dissenting positions. Not always though, sometimes he would give a decent analysis on the topics, but overall he seemed a lot more hit and miss.
Either way, the list of content sure does seem to be changing, and I kind of hope he continues The Big Picture of some other site.
I looked forward to his content regularly, but at the same time, I've always been rather mixed about his work overall. As far as fat guys with a strong social justice focus, Jim has always gain far more respect from me than Bob. Behind the shouty persona and crass humour, Jim always seemed to address both sides of the debate and actually explain his conclusion. And while I don't necessarily always agree with everything he says, I can respect someone who sincerely realises that most social issues are far more complex than the "idiots Vs Us" mentality that is far too common. Whereas Bob often seemed far more smug and condescending towards dissenting positions. Not always though, sometimes he would give a decent analysis on the topics, but overall he seemed a lot more hit and miss.
Either way, the list of content sure does seem to be changing, and I kind of hope he continues The Big Picture of some other site.
Yeah... Moviebob was the main reason I was coming back to the website. I may not have agreed with him on some things, but that's neither here, nor there.
Their journalism quality was taking quite a dive recently, with proliferation of clickbait articles. Mr. Croshaw is the only thing that I see going for the website now.
Their journalism quality was taking quite a dive recently, with proliferation of clickbait articles. Mr. Croshaw is the only thing that I see going for the website now.
Welcome to the new Escapist where we don't do opinions and it's all happy happy fun time, except in our blatant clickbait "news" stories!
Like him or not, Bob did provide a lot of content for a site that's already glaringly lacking in content. You may not think he's left big shoes to fill but he does definitely leave a pretty big content vacancy.
Like him or not, Bob did provide a lot of content for a site that's already glaringly lacking in content. You may not think he's left big shoes to fill but he does definitely leave a pretty big content vacancy.
So what's your point? Self promotion? That's how most of these internet guys live. Other than those two months or so after his book came out he didn't really promote is all that much. He's not commanding us to do anything. Like Jim didn't command people to donate to his patreon. Fans are fans for a reason and people like them understand fan culture enough to actually know that if people liked their work that much they would donate money or whatever.Johnny Novgorod said:Indeed, but for now he's directing his Twitter followers to buy his book and tip him through PayPal.SNCommand said:
Solaire of Astora said:
I could't believe Q got no 2, it's a pussy cant even go out without U's backup!
On topic, not gonna hide that i'm glad he's gone, i've gone over why in other posts and not gonna retread old ground.
But it has been pointed out to me in the past that most folks discovered the escapist through Yatzee and will stay for yatzee, Extra Credits, Lisa, Jim and now Bob have all come and gone but we will get more content.
There are so many great content providers out there that have not quite got the break to get their audience yet they would jump at the chance to appear on the Escapist.
Also as an aside, the new E-i-C has only been in power for a short time but i'm pleased with the David Braben interview. Showing my age but i lost hours of my childhood in Frontier and now im losing hours of my life in Elite: Dangerous. So if we are getting regular interviews with legends like this i chalk that up as a win for the new E-i-C.
Seriously. Let's do a tally.StriderShinryu said:
Video shows:
The Big Picture
Escape to the movies
Articles:
Intermission
Moviebob HD
Marvel Intermission aka their source of reviews for SHIELD and Carter.
That's 5 regular pieces of content just gone now. Not to mention the various news articles he would post.
Eh, I haven't watched or read any of his content in a while.
I don't even watch Yahtzee all that much anymore. Jim was really the only main contributor whose content I was watching regularly. I'm really only here for the forums now. Even, I am posting less and less.
I like this site, and don't want to see it die. Hopefully they land some top notch contributor.
I don't even watch Yahtzee all that much anymore. Jim was really the only main contributor whose content I was watching regularly. I'm really only here for the forums now. Even, I am posting less and less.
I like this site, and don't want to see it die. Hopefully they land some top notch contributor.
Well, that's certainly not something I was expecting, and probably knocks one of the movie critics I follow on a regular basis off the list. While I certainly didn't agree with him many times, I generally enjoyed his content despite the occasional overindulgence in Marvel/Nintendo fanboyism or nostalgia of the 80's/hatred of the 90's. Geez, now I too am starting to wonder about the future of this forum.
Edit: just as I posted this, I went to update the Steam store page. The first game to pop up was called "Escapists", and it's about breaking out of prison. I think the universe is trying to tell me something.
Edit: just as I posted this, I went to update the Steam store page. The first game to pop up was called "Escapists", and it's about breaking out of prison. I think the universe is trying to tell me something.
Can I like buy you a drink for this statement here? Seriously. Rock on.Kyrian007 said:
People do get passionate about stuff and clearly Bob is one of those people that wears his emotions on his sleeve. He's never made it a secret that he dislikes the kind of culture that was born of the Xbox LIVE era and was genuinely sad about the state of gaming. God forbid someone rant and rave on the web about something. Its like totally unrealistic.
Yeah he engaged in name calling but its not like he's doing it behind people's backs. If anything about these past few months he just found that A) Many people follow him just to debate him because they don't agree with anything and B) Several of his previous followers don't share his opinions on many things and frankly if I were him I'd essentially like to sort through the trash as it were. Get the people you wouldn't want following you anyway out and get new people in if you can. Besides the thing about the Big Picture wasn't that basically given to him as a soapbox show anyway? He could literally talk about whatever he wanted for like 5 minutes so I don't get why people would get mad at him for expressing his political opinions there.
Though what I do find funny is people getting mad at him putting his politics or whatever into movie reviews. I mean this is mostly a gaming site and clearly people aren't aware that movie critique evolved into something beyond "is it good or bad?" way before Bob started doing it. Gaming still hasn't gotten there yet unfortunately and several people appear to not want it to get there but him trashing on Amazing Spider-man or Man of Steel again and again to make a point or bring up troubling metaphors is something other movie critics have been doing for years. He will be missed. Hopefully if he could only maintain one show I'd like it to be The Big Picture. That way I can at least get my trivial nerd knowledge that won't benefit me in any way shape or form in the real world.
Geeze. All it'll take is for Yahtzee, Graham, and Paul to leave and I'll have no reason to come here anymore.
i dont agree with OP that this was unexpexcted. I expected this to happen eventually ever since he started insulting his audience on twitter. Thats when i stopped watching his stuff and i guess enough of others did as well to impact ratings. I trued to give him another chance later on, but realized just how much i didnt want to watch any of his ramblings anymore.
Its going to be hard for him to stand up on his feet now i think, considering his outside-escapist stuff had very little views and i personally doubt he is going to carry his audience around like Jim does.
Its going to be hard for him to stand up on his feet now i think, considering his outside-escapist stuff had very little views and i personally doubt he is going to carry his audience around like Jim does.
comments are gold.MarsAtlas said:
I came to this site because of Yatzee, i stayed because of the forum. and while i cant say nothing changed, the site is worth visiting because of the community for me and not because of the content creators.MarsAtlas said:
The problem with Gavin's work being viewed on the site is that he creates stuff that really benefits from high quality stream, and escapist still streams very low quality, which means that even youtube is times better quality to watch his stuff. Plus there is a lot more interaction and things made on his youtube channel than escapist site, so if you want to ask him a question or anything youll do it easier on youtube than here. I always end up opening his video here on the site, loading the ads so escapist count it as view, then just watch it on youtube in better quality.TakerFoxx said:
Its not having the opinion that is the problem, its the way he expresses them. If he was a comment writtein in forum rather than contributor he would be banned 10 times over for insults.Silvanus said:
The difference is Jim actually read the comments and improved his show in accordance, whereas Bob just called us teorrorists on twitter instead.Caramel Frappe said:
Dear Escapist,
Thank you.
Truly yours, LG Jargon
...A little more? Alright...
You guys need to stop bleeding contributors. I don't know why MovieBob is gone, but he was one of your main content creators and pillars of your regular viewership. I've thoroughly enjoyed both his Big Picture series and Escape to the Movies reviews, despite all the hate he tends to garner from whiny jerk-offs and conservative pissants. Seriously, my regular viewing schedule mostly consists of things harbored by the Escapist.
Monday - The Jimquisition (introduced on Destructoid, brought over to the Escapist, now independent and on YouTube)
Tuesday - Big Picture with Bob "MovieBob" Chipman
Wednesday - Zero Puncuation with Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw; Extra Credits (former Escapist series, left and now on YouTube); PBS Idea Channel; PBS Game Show; Lore in a Minute
Thursday - No Right Answer (and my viewership on that wasn't all that consistent, to be honest)
Friday - Escape to the Movies with Bob "MovieBob" Chipman
Saturday - Toonami (though that's t.v., so it probably doesn't count all that much for this list)
That's not counting the Critical Miss comics or myriad of news articles and other written pieces (like Extra Punctuation, Intermission, etc.), but the main thing that drew me to this site was the video series. If this continues, I fear I may not continue to visit the Escapist all that much in the future... Is there really no way you can keep Bob on?... Like, at all?
...Man, I hate change sometimes. Robin Williams dies, Colbert Report leaves the air, Toonami schedule is shortened, John Stewart announces that he's leaving The Daily Show...God damn, time is a cruel mistress...
Anyways, I guess that's all I had to say. I want the Escapist to stay around and keep being fun, but if this keeps happening...I don't know. It really won't be the same without you, Bob.
Thank you.
Truly yours, LG Jargon
...A little more? Alright...
You guys need to stop bleeding contributors. I don't know why MovieBob is gone, but he was one of your main content creators and pillars of your regular viewership. I've thoroughly enjoyed both his Big Picture series and Escape to the Movies reviews, despite all the hate he tends to garner from whiny jerk-offs and conservative pissants. Seriously, my regular viewing schedule mostly consists of things harbored by the Escapist.
Monday - The Jimquisition (introduced on Destructoid, brought over to the Escapist, now independent and on YouTube)
Tuesday - Big Picture with Bob "MovieBob" Chipman
Wednesday - Zero Puncuation with Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw; Extra Credits (former Escapist series, left and now on YouTube); PBS Idea Channel; PBS Game Show; Lore in a Minute
Thursday - No Right Answer (and my viewership on that wasn't all that consistent, to be honest)
Friday - Escape to the Movies with Bob "MovieBob" Chipman
Saturday - Toonami (though that's t.v., so it probably doesn't count all that much for this list)
That's not counting the Critical Miss comics or myriad of news articles and other written pieces (like Extra Punctuation, Intermission, etc.), but the main thing that drew me to this site was the video series. If this continues, I fear I may not continue to visit the Escapist all that much in the future... Is there really no way you can keep Bob on?... Like, at all?
...Man, I hate change sometimes. Robin Williams dies, Colbert Report leaves the air, Toonami schedule is shortened, John Stewart announces that he's leaving The Daily Show...God damn, time is a cruel mistress...
Anyways, I guess that's all I had to say. I want the Escapist to stay around and keep being fun, but if this keeps happening...I don't know. It really won't be the same without you, Bob.
Add to that the lack of video reviews for games, and a severe drop in the number of games reviewed since Jim left as Reviews Editor. I dunno if that spawned the "focus on all things geek" deal, but that alone makes the site seem so behind compared to other video game focused outlets.Mr. Omega said:
Basically I've got this strange attachment to the forums and people here, and the work that Yahtzee does. It's just difficult to seriously peruse this site as a video game one anymore, and with Bob gone a big chunk of the movies/comics/all things geek is going to be missing too. A weird feeling in the air...
I didn't always agree with MB. Sometimes I disagreed quite passionately. But I never suggested he shouldn't be at the Escapist, and I'll be sorry to see him go.
More to the point, that's a lot of time and column-inches to fill, and I'm not seeing much sign of what the powers that be are hoping to fill it with. I feel like the only thing that's been added relatively recently is Game Theory, which has never exactly filled me with sunshine and rainbows.
And Twitch streams and podcasts. Because, God knows, you can never have too many Twitch streams and podcasts. (sigh)
Maybe there's some massive untapped well of talented content producers out there that the management has cottoned to, and we'll see a sudden swell of spiffing new content from creators willing to make regular offerings at much lower costs than the regulars we've been losing of late. But I'd like to see some evidence.
More to the point, that's a lot of time and column-inches to fill, and I'm not seeing much sign of what the powers that be are hoping to fill it with. I feel like the only thing that's been added relatively recently is Game Theory, which has never exactly filled me with sunshine and rainbows.
And Twitch streams and podcasts. Because, God knows, you can never have too many Twitch streams and podcasts. (sigh)
Maybe there's some massive untapped well of talented content producers out there that the management has cottoned to, and we'll see a sudden swell of spiffing new content from creators willing to make regular offerings at much lower costs than the regulars we've been losing of late. But I'd like to see some evidence.
way to over-simplify the issue... a dozen or so mild tweets? he implied that most gamers are rapists dude...MarsAtlas said:Good thing that The Escapist doesn't employ those people, or else there might've been some conflict behind the scenes.NRVNQSR86 said:
His rant yesterday, well, its about a dozen fairly mild tweets. Besides, his twitter sprees don't really cause any controversy besides people that decided that they suddenly hated him back when this:
was distributed, and since Jim left, he had the highest viewed content. Somehow I don't think its because a few mean things he said on Twitter. Hell, the Critical Miss guys substituted an actual strip for a video making fun of MiracleOfSound's noob playing skills a few weeks back, pretty much trolling the poor guy, and the site allowed that. I doubt personal behavior is what is at play. If anything, the fact that Movies & TV is pretty much getting the axe, makes me suspect a merger.
"Catching up on SVU. Trying to remember a point in my life when I'd have been OUTRAGED by that opening scene intercutting assault with violent gameplay/gamers, but GG and the COD era have made it impossible to call an unfair portrayal. Depressing."
that statement right there shows a complete lack of respect for gamers and gaming, and added fuel to the anti-gamer fire.
Either there's change on the wind or the Escapist's going down the drain. In any case, I'm going to leave the site for a month and return on 14th March.
My predictions:
-There will still be almost no content
-People will still be talking about Gamergate and slagging off Anita Sarkeesian, and stupidity will reign supreme.
On the plus side, my otherwise nonsensical plan will have afforded me more free time in which to do more productive things, for example bitching about Prince on prince.org. I don't think people over there even know what an 'SJW' is, thank god.
My predictions:
-There will still be almost no content
-People will still be talking about Gamergate and slagging off Anita Sarkeesian, and stupidity will reign supreme.
On the plus side, my otherwise nonsensical plan will have afforded me more free time in which to do more productive things, for example bitching about Prince on prince.org. I don't think people over there even know what an 'SJW' is, thank god.