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I didn't always agree with Movie Bob, sometimes I even strongly disagreed like when he said we should cut Michael Bay some slack, but I enjoyed Movie Bob's take on movies and pop culture.

Really hope the Escapist starts getting in some talent because it seems like there is less and content all the time.
 

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I wondered why there was no 'Big Picture' or 'Escape to the Movies' this week.
Took a peek at the forums and my fears are confirmed...
Sad to see him go to though I admit his last couple of entries were not his best stuff and kinda preachy.

But damn... my list to come here is getting short:
Jimquesition
Big Picture
Escape to the movies
Uncivil War

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Morifen said:
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Morifen said:
So I just looked up Twitter. 230 million users. Over 7 billion people in the world. Why does anyone give a shit about what anyone says on some little site like that? It like getting fired for a conversation you are having with your friends at a bar. Has nothing to do with work, people should be entitled to say whatever they want outside of their job.
It doesnt look like he was fired for that, in my opinion at least. But his account was tied to his videos and content, it was linked on everything he put out (Not to mention it was straight up called the Moviebob). And sorry you haven't run into this before, but you totally can be straight up fired for how you conduct yourself on social media from most companies, its why so many of them are instituting guidelines about it as part of their contracts and giving training on it. That's the modern world
The modern world needs to change then, at least in the US. We are supposed to be a country of people sharing their ideas from all kinds of backgrounds, one of the reasons we have freedom of speech. It is going to be pretty hard to maintain a culture that is supposed to value opinions from different backgrounds when expressing those opinions can get you fired from your job. This reminds me of the McCarthy witchhunt of communists, but with a rotating wheel of who it is targeting, dependent on the whims of whoever happens to be executives of a company at that point in time.
First, we don't speak into a vacuum. Different situations will place different demands on speech. All of our rights, speech included, are balanced against all the rights of those we can affect in the excercise of those rights. Speech and expression, though sacred in the U.S., are not immune to context or consequence.

More to the point - consider. You are a server. What happens if you hurl explatives at the patrons to your restaurant? You are a teacher. What happens if you knowingly make a sexual remark at a someone who is under age on social media? You are the owner of a professional team. What happens if you insult an entire community of your own fans and fans of the sport in general, thus violating your league's contractual code of conduct? Lots of industries, enterprises, and individual businesses have codes of conduct to ensure they are represented professionally. Ever heard of a soldier being dishonerably discharged or even court martialed for conduct unbecoming? This can include speech.

MB's twitter account was none the less closely associated to the material he was contracted to produce for The Escapist. He, as a face of the media outlet, had a responsibility of professionalism - whether explicit in contract or implied by the nature of his service - to uphold. And in fact, as has been already mentioned, if what we are told by MB and The Escapist is to be believed, his social media communications had nothing to do with his contract being released. So that's kind of a moot point. But it very well COULD have been the impetus.

If this was some mailroom staffer in a megacorp like GE or something ranting about lightbulbs - probably no one in the offices would care much (though he/she still may be held to code of conduct contracts on condition of employment so they COULD care). MB, though, was a huge part of this site contributing a significant portion of the site's content; and he was mixing it together with his social media presence in a possibly unflattering way for the people paying him.

A lot of us that frequent this site, and engage in these discussions are in places in our lives where we have codes of conduct in our professions, or NDA's, or communications tied to contracts. It protects employers, it protects clients, it protcts the material of our professions, and in many ways it protects us in the context of our work. And we as mature, savvy individuals know what we are getting into when we seek such employment and sign our contracts. Some people handle these constraints with responsibility and maturity. Others do not. If those constraints are unexeptable to us we are free to go and seek employment without such constraints. And mature is the last word I'd use to describe MB as of the last year or so (Twitter completely aside).

McCarthy, nothing.
 

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Morifen said:
The modern world needs to change then, at least in the US. We are supposed to be a country of people sharing their ideas from all kinds of backgrounds, one of the reasons we have freedom of speech. It is going to be pretty hard to maintain a culture that is supposed to value opinions from different backgrounds when expressing those opinions can get you fired from your job. This reminds me of the McCarthy witchhunt of communists, but with a rotating wheel of who it is targeting, dependent on the whims of whoever happens to be executives of a company at that point in time.
Ummm... Yeah.
Do you actually know what the concept of "freedom of speech" even means? Or, more specifically, have you ever read the First Amendment?

Because, what happened to MovieBob was NOT censorship. I could expound on this topic for pages on end, but you want to know what would be a better teaching aide? Why don't you just listen to the words of MovieBob, himself.
 

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You are the first person to mention censorship, dunno where you got that idea. I am saying you should not be held accountable at your profession for what you do in your personal life, which includes real life social interactions or social media. I don't care if Moviebob sacrifices babies or does drugs or is a republican, I only want to watch his movie reviews on fridays. What he does in his free time is his own problem. If like some people are saying he was appearing in public as his Moviebob Escapist persona and not just himself, then that is a different matter as he is explicitly representing the company then. Like I said, I've never used twitter and I doubt I ever will.
 

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Morifen said:
You are the first person to mention censorship, dunno where you got that idea.
Because, YOU are the one that mentioned "freedom of speech", which is most often brought up by the people that understand it the least. Remember, freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences.
I am saying you should not be held accountable at your profession for what you do in your personal life, which includes real life social interactions or social media.
When you market yourself as a personality, as Bob had done, then your personal life does come into the equation. Especially since, while Bob was on the Movies/TV podcast, he signed off each time reminding us that he was on Twitter and we should follow him. By that act alone, he removed every semblance of a partition of the "professional" existence on the Escapist and his "personal" existence on Twitter.
I don't care if Moviebob sacrifices babies or does drugs or is a republican, I only want to watch his movie reviews on fridays.
Just because you don't care doesn't mean others can't/shouldn't care.
 

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Personally, I am unsurprised by and support this move. It seems like the Escapist is gutting their content providers to... some end. Very soon I will have no reason to return to this site. Good job!

That said, I'm a little surprise they axed Bob. He was making quite a bit of content: two video shows, three or four text articles, weekly. Removing him creates a major hole in their schedule that, unless they had some new guy(s) all set to fill it, would be a rather dumb move on their part. I figured they'd make him dial it back at first, cancelling Big Picture and some of the articles first before letting him go.

Looking at the above posts, there was apparently some kind of big deal on Twitter. I don't care about that and I doubt if that had anything to do with it, but I'll leave that to the weirdos who use Twitter. I do not understand Twitter nor why anyone would use Twitter. If you use Twitter, there is something wrong with you.

At this point, the only thing I come to the site for anymore is ZP and its days numbered. Either the site will axe that too or Yahtzee will grow tired of it and decide to do something else. He has said he doesn't want to do ZP for the rest of his life. With the recent carnage, now would be a good time if he's ready to move on.
 

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So with LizzyF620 confirmed as a new content producer for the Escapist, it seems Bob the cis male has been replaced by a woman, GG and the patriarchy wins again!
 

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Colour Scientist said:
Is this the part where I dig up loads of out of context tweets?

I can't Twitter very well. :/
Hazy992 said:
Who needs evidence when you have an agenda? That's just common sense
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Don't worry guys. If the new talent is not up to snuff, we can just start reposting out-of-context tweets until they get fired.
Indeed, Bob's Twitter frenzies have been totally taken out of context to paint him as an unhinged individual with an axe to grind. This recent screen capture, in which he proves he's a class act in regards to the Escapist's decision to give Lizzy and Brendan a chance to write some articles, proves it.

 

Colour Scientist

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StreamerDarkly said:
Colour Scientist said:
Is this the part where I dig up loads of out of context tweets?

I can't Twitter very well. :/
Hazy992 said:
Who needs evidence when you have an agenda? That's just common sense
IceForce said:
Don't worry guys. If the new talent is not up to snuff, we can just start reposting out-of-context tweets until they get fired.
Indeed, Bob's Twitter frenzies have been totally taken out of context to paint him as an unhinged individual with an axe to grind. This recent screen capture, in which he proves he's a class act in regards to the Escapist's decision to give Lizzy and Brendan a chance to write some articles, proves it.

No one you quoted said anything about Bob Chipman.
 

StreamerDarkly

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Colour Scientist said:
No one you quoted said anything about Bob Chipman.
Are you really going to play it off as though your comments were about Sterling or Tito when we're currently in the midst of a 1000 post thread on Chipman's departure just days ago? A thread, I might add, in which it has been incessantly argued that he was forced out due to tweets being taken out of context.

Come now, Colour Scientist. Don't retreat from your position.
 

Colour Scientist

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StreamerDarkly said:
Colour Scientist said:
No one you quoted said anything about Bob Chipman.
Are you really going to play it off as though your comments were about Sterling or Tito when we're currently in the midst of a 1000 post thread on Chipman's departure just days ago? A thread, I might add, in which it has been incessantly argued that he was forced out due to tweets being taken out of context.

Come now, Colour Scientist. Don't retreat from your position.
What position?

I was taking the piss because that seems to be what the majority of the GG thread is.

If you can find an example of me ever defending Bob Chipman or his tweets, I'd love to see it.
 

Colour Scientist

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Rathkor said:
Colour Scientist said:
StreamerDarkly said:
Colour Scientist said:
No one you quoted said anything about Bob Chipman.
Are you really going to play it off as though your comments were about Sterling or Tito when we're currently in the midst of a 1000 post thread on Chipman's departure just days ago? A thread, I might add, in which it has been incessantly argued that he was forced out due to tweets being taken out of context.

Come now, Colour Scientist. Don't retreat from your position.
What position?

I was taking the piss because that seems to be what the majority of the GG thread is.

If you can find an example of me ever defending Bob Chipman or his tweets, I'd love to see it.
I find it funny that "out of context" seems to be the defense here. Tell me, what context would make "No bad tactics, only bad targets" acceptable? Heck, "If you lay down with dogs, don't be surprised when you wake up with fleas." doesn't mean much out of context, but in the context of someone pointing out to him that people who support GG have received death threats and harassment, it becomes a pretty damning example of victim blaming.

Both of these comments come straight from the Twitter of.... MovieBob. Well, seems like in context or out of context, Bobbo was a pretty despicable person.
I thought I just said that I wasn't talking about or defending Bob?
 

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Rathkor said:
Colour Scientist said:
Rathkor said:
Colour Scientist said:
StreamerDarkly said:
Colour Scientist said:
No one you quoted said anything about Bob Chipman.
Are you really going to play it off as though your comments were about Sterling or Tito when we're currently in the midst of a 1000 post thread on Chipman's departure just days ago? A thread, I might add, in which it has been incessantly argued that he was forced out due to tweets being taken out of context.

Come now, Colour Scientist. Don't retreat from your position.
What position?

I was taking the piss because that seems to be what the majority of the GG thread is.

If you can find an example of me ever defending Bob Chipman or his tweets, I'd love to see it.
I find it funny that "out of context" seems to be the defense here. Tell me, what context would make "No bad tactics, only bad targets" acceptable? Heck, "If you lay down with dogs, don't be surprised when you wake up with fleas." doesn't mean much out of context, but in the context of someone pointing out to him that people who support GG have received death threats and harassment, it becomes a pretty damning example of victim blaming.

Both of these comments come straight from the Twitter of.... MovieBob. Well, seems like in context or out of context, Bobbo was a pretty despicable person.
I thought I just said that I wasn't talking about or defending Bob?
No, but your comment was mocking "out of context" tweets. So, again I ask, what context makes "No bad tactics, only bad targets" not seem like a horrible quote? Just one example, but it relates to this thread seeing as it comes from Bob.

Or are you admitting to creating an off topic post just to derail the thread?
Someone made a joke, I made a joke back.

"Admitting to creating an off topic post"

Like, seriously?
 

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There was a time when the Escapist had something great for me to watch on every day of the week. Unskippable on Monday, Big Picture on Tuesday, Zero Punctuation on Wednesday, Extra Credits on Thursday and Escape to the Movies on Friday.

Now, I've only got Mondays and Wednesdays left to even think of coming to this site anymore.

If Yahtzee or Graham Stark leave after this, then this site is just dead to me.
 

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Pete Oddly said:
A good portion of this thread seems to be devoted to Bob and his Twitter presence, and whether or not he insults his audience (or the degree to which he insults his audience). People also seem to be keen on disseminating Bob's words out of context to suit their own ideas of who they perceive him to be.

The way I see it is this:

Bob holds strong opinions about issues of prejudice, and the actions people take (and the things they say) based on their prejudices, specifically when it comes to matters of race, gender, and sexual orientation. Bob holds these prejudiced people in contempt, and as such pulls no punches when calling them out on their shit.
What that means is that Bob called people racist, sexist or bigoted when they say they prefer there own race, sex or whatever views they may hold in the games THEY BUY with their money.

People where pulling no shit unless they where being uncivil about it, Bob was being a massive hypocrite because he thought it made him sound like some moral crusader.
 
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Rathkor said:
Colour Scientist said:
Rathkor said:
Colour Scientist said:
StreamerDarkly said:
Colour Scientist said:
No one you quoted said anything about Bob Chipman.
Are you really going to play it off as though your comments were about Sterling or Tito when we're currently in the midst of a 1000 post thread on Chipman's departure just days ago? A thread, I might add, in which it has been incessantly argued that he was forced out due to tweets being taken out of context.

Come now, Colour Scientist. Don't retreat from your position.
What position?

I was taking the piss because that seems to be what the majority of the GG thread is.

If you can find an example of me ever defending Bob Chipman or his tweets, I'd love to see it.
I find it funny that "out of context" seems to be the defense here. Tell me, what context would make "No bad tactics, only bad targets" acceptable? Heck, "If you lay down with dogs, don't be surprised when you wake up with fleas." doesn't mean much out of context, but in the context of someone pointing out to him that people who support GG have received death threats and harassment, it becomes a pretty damning example of victim blaming.

Both of these comments come straight from the Twitter of.... MovieBob. Well, seems like in context or out of context, Bobbo was a pretty despicable person.
I thought I just said that I wasn't talking about or defending Bob?
No, but your comment was mocking "out of context" tweets. So, again I ask, what context makes "No bad tactics, only bad targets" not seem like a horrible quote? Just one example, but it relates to this thread seeing as it comes from Bob.

Or are you admitting to creating an off topic post just to derail the thread?
There's nothing more irritating or condescending than when someone thinks they've pulled a 'gotcha' on someone who wasn't making an argument.

Give it a rest, she made a joke, you're not witty for seeing something that isn't there.
 

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Good riddance to such a toxic individual. Must say I'm enjoying the escapist more and more now.
 

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Joining this thread at Page 22 and could do with a TL;DR.

Has there been a confirmed, or even just probable, reason for his termination? Did he commit some PR gaffe I wasn't aware of?
 

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First Extra Credits, although just as they left, Jim arrived, so more or less a wash on that.

Jim left, and while that was a bummer, can't say i was shocked by it. Now Bob's gone. Which, for me, leaves The Escapist with only a single content provider who's held my attention. Looks like i'll be down to checking the escapist once a week, rather then several. Can't see this as being anything other then horrible news