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DugMachine

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Vigormortis said:
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Sigh. For the umpteenth time: I am not a GamerGate supporter. I do not associate with the movement in any way, shape, or form. I do not claim to speak for GGers, in part or in whole. I wish you'd stop calling me a GGer when speaking to other posters. Please stop lying.

And as for my analogy, how about this: Let's say Bob came out and said, "All movie-goers are subhuman shits!" Would you still be confused why someone, namely a movie-goer, might take offense to his comment?

If not, I don't know what else to say, really. I don't know why you're not getting it, but you really aren't getting it. I don't know if this is due to some willful dishonesty on your part or if it's because you genuinely do not understand the difference between an analogy and a comparison. Either way, I'm done. I have no interest in having a discussion with someone who feigns curiosity and then ignores the replies.[footnote]Especially if that person thinks rational thinking is a bad thing.[/footnote] Or, at worst, twists them into something they aren't so you can embolden or rationalize your original position.

Good day to you.
I now understand why you all are offended but personally I can't be fucked to care. I'm a straight male gamer yet I'm not up in arms over someones comments when they really don't matter. Either way I've grown tired of the topic. I wanted a better understanding of GG and I got it. I found your analogy/comparison whatever silly was all and I have no problem with rational thinking.. that's irrational lol. I was referring more to the self proclaimed enlightened twitter warriors who think their rationale is somehow.. rational even though they're fucking bonkers.

But good day to you as well.
 

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I now understand why you all are offended but personally I can't be fucked to care. I'm a straight male gamer yet I'm not up in arms over someones comments when they really don't matter. Either way I've grown tired of the topic. I wanted a better understanding of GG and I got it. I found your analogy/comparison whatever silly was all and I have no problem with rational thinking.. that's irrational lol. I was referring more to the self proclaimed enlightened twitter warriors who think their rationale is somehow.. rational even though they're fucking bonkers.

But good day to you as well.
Ditto here on not caring about gamergate. Glad you got what you wanted out of this topic. But for future reference, peoples personal opinion's don't affect you, nor yours theirs. I don't know why you need to keep pointing out you are a straight white male gamer while at the same time find a loose social/racial analogy problematic. Perhaps you projected or intuited an agenda that was not being pushed. This is not about Gamergate. It's about how he BEHAVED during gamergate.

Either way, a lot of people feel Bob needs to change his personal policies if he wants to win some of his fans back. That is what I and I feel many of my fellow posters were trying to say. Also I suppose I kinda hope that Bob or friends of Bob read this thread and he understands why people feel the way they do about him. He just needs to prove he has changed.
 

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Criminy, am I the only one here who enjoys Loading Ready Run's content?

Granted, the site could definitely use some newer video content to offset the recent departures, but it's not as though the only video content left if ZP.
 

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Silvanus said:
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If you say pirates are bad, it means that pirates are bad, whereas not all humans are pirates. if you say dudebros are bad it means that dudebros are bad whereas not all gamers are dudebros. if you say gamers are bad then you include both dudebros and non-dudebros gamers.
Precisely! And since Bob spoke about "conservabros", not all gamers were included in that.
While that is true for the subhuman quote, he often rants about "gamers" as a whole on twitter.

While no doubt its possible that Subhuman was the last straw, its not like this is all he did. he did enough that even I[footnote]I fee explanation is needed here. i do not give up on shows easily. i pick carefully what im going to watch because if i start watching it im staying there to the end no matter how much the quality will fall or how much of my free time it "Wastes". im obsessive like that and for me to quit a show because of a host behaviuos is probably unique case for bob[/footnote] gave up on him months ago.

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Criminy, am I the only one here who enjoys Loading Ready Run's content?

Granted, the site could definitely use some newer video content to offset the recent departures, but it's not as though the only video content left if ZP.
Shhhh! people who want the site to fail because their darling got fired cannot deal with someone likeable still making content on this site (yatzee does not count because they think he isnt likeable)
 

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Strazdas said:
While that is true for the subhuman quote, he often rants about "gamers" as a whole on twitter.
Could I get a quote?

Whenever this has been said, it's always turned out to be some instance of him saying something else, related to a specific subset of people or something, and people have just filled in the rest themselves.

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While no doubt its possible that Subhuman was the last straw, its not like this is all he did. he did enough that even I gave up on him months ago.
Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with people objecting to his language, his tone, the stuff he's said.

I just feel that when people cast it as an attack on gamers, they're imagining that we're all being insulted here, when... well, it's just not the case, really. Wilful misinterpretation some of the time, unintentional the rest.
 

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Agreed with you pretty much 100%. Movie Bob did kinda help with the poisoning this community in recent years. Extra Credits went kinda the same direction after they left the Escapist and wound up insulting their audience for disagreeing with them on a their definition of what makes a game. They made an entire video pretty much shaming their audience for daring to criticism them.

No one likes being preached to and no one likes being insulted for having a different view point or liking something low brow.
 

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Is this website Twitter? I have never have and will most likely never use twitter, so why is content on this site being removed because of something happening on twitter? Next thing you are gonna tell me is they are removing Yahtzee because someone saw him drinking Coca Cola. What does twitter have to do with movie reviews? And what is gamergate? I don't remember seeing anything about it on his movie reviews, which are the only thing I watch of his on this site.
 

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Silvanus said:
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While that is true for the subhuman quote, he often rants about "gamers" as a whole on twitter.
Could I get a quote?

Whenever this has been said, it's always turned out to be some instance of him saying something else, related to a specific subset of people or something, and people have just filled in the rest themselves.
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The problem really isn't context. It was the gross un professionalism of it all. "No boss you are taking what I said out of context. I did'nt say ALL of our customers are subhuman terrorist rapists. I only said SOME of our customers are subhuman terrorist rapists. Those ones up in arms? I didn't mean them. They're reading it wrong." Try running that past your employer and see what his or her opinion is. You are allowed to have an opinion. You are not penalized for having such. But voicing it through a megaphone damages your work product and your employers business, regardless of context or validity. The professional knows enough to shut up and just stay off Twitter.
 

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Guess it's just Yahtzee and ZP left. Good work Escapist, run your site into the ground listening to people who don't visit it anyway.

Livin' the dream.

<------------- My post-count is trying to tell me something...
 

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The problem really isn't context. It was the gross un professionalism of it all. "No boss you are taking what I said out of context. I did'nt say ALL of our customers are subhuman terrorist rapists. I only said SOME of our customers are subhuman terrorist rapists. Those ones up in arms? I didn't mean them. They're reading it wrong." Try running that past your employer and see what his or her opinion is. You are allowed to have an opinion. You are not penalized for having such. But voicing it through a megaphone damages your work product and your employers business, regardless of context or validity. The professional knows enough to shut up and just stay off Twitter.
I think I've clarified enough times that I'm not in the business of defending what he did say. I'm just tired of seeing it twisted into something it's not: an attack on us all, on gamers, a personal insult to everybody here. No, that just feeds a certain narrative.
 

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So I just looked up Twitter. 230 million users. Over 7 billion people in the world. Why does anyone give a shit about what anyone says on some little site like that? It like getting fired for a conversation you are having with your friends at a bar. Has nothing to do with work, people should be entitled to say whatever they want outside of their job.
 

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Silvanus said:
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The problem really isn't context. It was the gross un professionalism of it all. "No boss you are taking what I said out of context. I did'nt say ALL of our customers are subhuman terrorist rapists. I only said SOME of our customers are subhuman terrorist rapists. Those ones up in arms? I didn't mean them. They're reading it wrong." Try running that past your employer and see what his or her opinion is. You are allowed to have an opinion. You are not penalized for having such. But voicing it through a megaphone damages your work product and your employers business, regardless of context or validity. The professional knows enough to shut up and just stay off Twitter.
I think I've clarified enough times that I'm not in the business of defending what he did say. I'm just tired of seeing it twisted into something it's not: an attack on us all, on gamers, a personal insult to everybody here. No, that just feeds a certain narrative.
And we keep telling you it does not matter who he specifically was or was not directing his comments to, The twitter bombs were in every definition "unprofessional". and reflected poorly on both himself and his employer. The specific nuances of them do not matter.
 

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Can someone explain why MovieBob is terrible? In list form preferably.
Well, at a time when pretty much the rest of the Escapist's content creators and staff were being very hands-off with the whole Gamergate mess, MovieBob, while not generally bringing it here, jumped in with both feet on Twitter, and said a lot of really vile and inflammatory things.

Which might not have gotten noticed nearly as quickly if it weren't for the fact that at the time, his Tweets were showing up on the Escapist's front page Twitter tracker thingie.

That and he can't shut up about how much he hates Amazing Spider-Man or how much of a failure the 2nd film was. Disappointing to Sony? Quite possibly. I mean, it only made $709 million at the box office on its $200 million budget. But a failure? Not so much.
 

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And we keep telling you it does not matter who he specifically was or was not directing his comments to, The twitter bombs were in every definition "unprofessional". and reflected poorly on both himself and his employer. The specific nuances of them do not matter.
They matter to me, hence why I disputed them. I'm not going to ignore wilful inaccuracy when it suits people (and particularly when it suites a certain narrative).
 

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Morifen said:
So I just looked up Twitter. 230 million users. Over 7 billion people in the world. Why does anyone give a shit about what anyone says on some little site like that? It like getting fired for a conversation you are having with your friends at a bar. Has nothing to do with work, people should be entitled to say whatever they want outside of their job.
It doesnt look like he was fired for that, in my opinion at least. But his account was tied to his videos and content, it was linked on everything he put out (Not to mention it was straight up called the Moviebob). And sorry you haven't run into this before, but you totally can be straight up fired for how you conduct yourself on social media from most companies, its why so many of them are instituting guidelines about it as part of their contracts and giving training on it. That's the modern world
 

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faeshadow said:
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There is a huge difference between disagreeing with your audience, and saying that most of your audience are rapists.
As I said, I don't care what anyone says on twitter. It's twitter. Also, I don't believe you for one second.
Disbelieve all you like. Go look at his comments after the airing of that L&O SVU episode.
Yeah, I don't see anything that says "most of my audience is rapists."
Were you really expecting those exact words? That's a bit dishonest. You should know better.

His audience on The Escapist were largely gamers. Go see what he says about gamers.
This is what's known on the internet as "backpedaling."
 

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The Bucket said:
Morifen said:
So I just looked up Twitter. 230 million users. Over 7 billion people in the world. Why does anyone give a shit about what anyone says on some little site like that? It like getting fired for a conversation you are having with your friends at a bar. Has nothing to do with work, people should be entitled to say whatever they want outside of their job.
It doesnt look like he was fired for that, in my opinion at least. But his account was tied to his videos and content, it was linked on everything he put out (Not to mention it was straight up called the Moviebob). And sorry you haven't run into this before, but you totally can be straight up fired for how you conduct yourself on social media from most companies, its why so many of them are instituting guidelines about it as part of their contracts and giving training on it. That's the modern world
The modern world needs to change then, at least in the US. We are supposed to be a country of people sharing their ideas from all kinds of backgrounds, one of the reasons we have freedom of speech. It is going to be pretty hard to maintain a culture that is supposed to value opinions from different backgrounds when expressing those opinions can get you fired from your job. This reminds me of the McCarthy witchhunt of communists, but with a rotating wheel of who it is targeting, dependent on the whims of whoever happens to be executives of a company at that point in time.
 

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A good portion of this thread seems to be devoted to Bob and his Twitter presence, and whether or not he insults his audience (or the degree to which he insults his audience). People also seem to be keen on disseminating Bob's words out of context to suit their own ideas of who they perceive him to be.

The way I see it is this:

Bob holds strong opinions about issues of prejudice, and the actions people take (and the things they say) based on their prejudices, specifically when it comes to matters of race, gender, and sexual orientation. Bob holds these prejudiced people in contempt, and as such pulls no punches when calling them out on their shit.

Keeping this in mind, we then have to look at certain members of the geek community (mostly gamers, but we'll use the term geeks because this doesn't strictly apply to gamers alone), specifically geeks who may not hold any conscious prejudices, but for some reason either subconsciously relate to said prejudice, or act defensively out of the perceived notion that they are being lumped in with those who do consciously hold these prejudices.

When Bob speaks out, using the snark he is known (and, in my case, loved) for, the aforementioned geeks are prodded into a reactionary stance, and, if they are actual fans of his, feel hurt and betrayed. However; Bob isn't the one these geeks need to analyse. Rather, they are better served looking inward, figuring out why, since Bob's targets are chiefly bigots and idiots, they identify with these targets enough to feel insulted.

Continuing to keep this all in mind, we turn to Bob's Twitter tirades, specifically in regards to...a certain movement. Disregarding the ridiculous quagmire as to the origins of this claptrap crusade and what its actual goals are, there exists the fact that it has negatively affected a lot of people. Specifically, in this case, people Bob is close to personally and professionally. Which, in turn, provides Bob with the incentive to take a stand firmly on one side of the issue.

So, the scene is set:

Bob is in a position where he feels personally affronted by the actions of some terrible people, as said actions have negatively affected people he is close to. Bob is opinionated, emotional, and (in his own words) immature, so he uses the platforms available to him to strike out against these people. Twitter being instantaneous, some of these strikes are heated and inflammatory, and as Twitter only allows so many characters per message, these strikes are also easily taken out of context or retrofitted to suit other contexts as needed. In his anger and frustration, he disregards the members of...that movement...who are sane and rational and want nothing to do with the shitbirds who drag the whole thing down with their bigotry and harassment.

In the other corner, we have folks who already have a bone to pick with Bob due to what they perceive to be a stance against them (as outlined above), so they rally against him in defense of themselves and the medium they hold dear. As they believe they are standing against a betrayer of geekdom, their words also become heated and inflammatory.

And so, Twitter becomes a battleground, where Bob is baited and berated and, in turn, says some outlandish things of his own. Everyone rattles cages and bellows war cries, and when the dust settles everyone goes home unhappy, with Bob on one side turning his nose up at people, and those same people on the other side thinking Bob has turned against geeks and deserves to be derided for his misdeeds.

In the end, I support Bob, regardless of some of the more immature things he's said. He is on the right side of things, even if in his righteous fury he is blind to those few rational minds who got caught up in the swirling shitstorm. It is because Bob stands for what I believe is right that I am able to forgive his missteps, even if he is unapologetic.

Also, as a footnote, I realize other people have problems with Bob which have nothing at all to do with anything I mentioned above. As such, I must say that, if you are one of those people, none of the above statements apply to you, so please don't get your skivvies in a twist because of it.