Mr Plinkett Last Jedi Review

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undeadsuitor said:
reviews so late the sequel is almost out
Looks like they took more time writing their script for this review than was spent on the script for The Last Jedi.
 

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undeadsuitor said:
I love RLM, but this is pretty dated no matter how much you have to justify how bad the movie was to cover up the fact that it triggered you
The Plinkett reviews have kind of lost their place, since Half in the Bag has been filling that spot for years now.


This is still a more enjoyable video to watch than any of the other ones YouTube gets flooded with though.
 

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At least they were honest about the flaws in TLJ unlike their """review""" of The Farce Awakens. Guess they must have cut back on the soy and avocados for this review.

Anyhow, they brought up some good points regarding the plotholes and admiral Bitcheyov's stupidity, and overall I enjoyed it. Personally though, I'm more a fan of Voxis Productions and Hackfraudmedia because they'll call a Mary Sue a "Mary Sue" when they see it.
 

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Natemans said:
I thought this was the weakest Plinkett review tbh.

Felt very aimless and nitpicky the first half until it finally got a better point in the second half.


I loved Last Jedi and was willing to give this a chance, but I found it a disappointing mixed bag.
I thought this one was a lot better than the TFA review, which hardly even talked about TFA. I was kind of hoping he'd really tear into that movie. I still feel like I'm one of the only people who thought TFA was extremely mediocre and boring.
 

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I'm sure I'll get to Plinket later but for now I just wanna say, as someone who actually LIKED the Last Jedi, I would refer you to this review by one Shaun of Shaun and Jen fame.



I honestly do encourage people to watch this one. I welcome other opinions too but it might be nice to hear counter arguments beyond the screeching 'FEMINAZI SJWS TURNED MY STAR WARS INTO BETA MALE SOY AND IT CUCKED MY CHILDHOOD WITH AN INTERRACIAL GAY TRANSEXUAL PENIS' chorus that is my fucking youtube suggested feed any time this movie comes up.
 
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Natemans said:
I thought this was the weakest Plinkett review tbh.

Felt very aimless and nitpicky the first half until it finally got a better point in the second half.


I loved Last Jedi and was willing to give this a chance, but I found it a disappointing mixed bag.
I thought this one was a lot better than the TFA review, which hardly even talked about TFA.
That's because Mike liked TFA. So he spent most of the video explaining what makes TFA better than prequels in comparison.

He certainly didn't like Last Jedi, and that's why i'm hoping for this review to be better.
 

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Ah yes, the socialist take on the whole thing. ;^) Anyway, Shauns's and Plinkett's reviews don't touch too many of the same topics about the movie. The main difference in opinions is in how Shaun explains the Resistance's dumbfuckery: 1) Regardless of it making sense it's not too different from the originals. 2) It was a fun romp or an important arc for the characters. Compared to Plinkett: 1) Contrived and dumb, because Johnson didn't think his script through all the way. 2) "A comedy of errors." Now which one is more right depends on what one criticizes or embraces movies for.

Also about the "wokeness" of the characters in TLJ in comparison to the jedi supposedly being bad people in the prequels. The jedi are supposed to be servants of the force. It's not their way to get emotional and start freeing slaves or start revolutions or whatever. They were far from their true purpose in the last days of the Republic, that's for sure. In the Legends books Luke tries to build a better Jedi Order, but this is obviously absent from TLJ, because it would be in the decades before TFA.

Personally I find the casino gig rather embarrassing. If the "one business that gets you this rich" was licensed movie merchandise, now that would be something.
 

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Personally I find the casino gig rather embarrassing. If the "one business that gets you this rich" was licensed movie merchandise, now that would be something.
It was painful is what it was. There are plenty of businesses that make you richer. Those include but are not limited to:

-Agriculture
-Energy (electricity or fuel)
-Logistics
-Retail
-Finance
-Pharmaceuticals
-Civilian ship construction (which is insanely larger then military ship construction in terms of value)
-Telecommunication
- Propaganda Entertainment and news media
-Mining
-Private higher education
-Manufacturing

And so much more. It's made even more painful when you look at the "point" Rian was trying to make about dealers selling to both sides, which is a fictional thing that Hollywood made up because nothing loses you all your customers (and also puts your life at risk) faster then dealing with both sides of a conflict. That's stuff governments do, but not weapons dealers. Weapons dealers who pull that shit don't last long.
 

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Vrex360 said:
I'm sure I'll get to Plinket later but for now I just wanna say, as someone who actually LIKED the Last Jedi, I would refer you to this review by one Shaun of Shaun and Jen fame.



I honestly do encourage people to watch this one. I welcome other opinions too but it might be nice to hear counter arguments beyond the screeching 'FEMINAZI SJWS TURNED MY STAR WARS INTO BETA MALE SOY AND IT CUCKED MY CHILDHOOD WITH AN INTERRACIAL GAY TRANSEXUAL PENIS' chorus that is my fucking youtube suggested feed any time this movie comes up.
While I agree with his points, that still doesn't change the fact that TLJ is a boring movie and that it's at least half an hour longer than it should have been. Even if everything about the story and characters makes sense, it remains boring to watch. The scenes simply aren't entertaining, most of the characters are boring and they do boring stuff. And don't get me started on the forced Disney "humor". It doesn't work at all. It just makes matters worse because it keeps disrupting the tone that the movie is desperately trying to set. Humor in this movie is essentially like a very annoying heckler. I'm seriously starting to think that Disney has some kind of quota of "funny" lines and moments that every movie must have. That's how fuckin' forced the "jokes" feel in this movie.
 

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And don't get me started on the forced Disney "humor". It doesn't work at all. It just makes matters worse because it keeps disrupting the tone that the movie is desperately trying to set. Humor in this movie is essentially like a very annoying heckler. I'm seriously starting to think that Disney has some kind of quota of "funny" lines and moments that every movie must have. That's how fuckin' forced the "jokes" feel in this movie.
I blame the MCU and its Buffy Speak/overgrown-teen "humor".
 

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SW has been shit since RotJ. Also Rogue One and TFA are better than the prequels. And TLJ wasn't as shit as most of the prequels.
 

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Vrex360 said:
I honestly do encourage people to watch this one. I welcome other opinions too but it might be nice to hear counter arguments beyond the screeching 'FEMINAZI SJWS TURNED MY STAR WARS INTO BETA MALE SOY AND IT CUCKED MY CHILDHOOD WITH AN INTERRACIAL GAY TRANSEXUAL PENIS' chorus that is my fucking youtube suggested feed any time this movie comes up.
Okay, fine. How about this one.

Johnson's writing of both Leia and Holdo betray a vastly deeper-seeded misogyny than even is accused of those who criticize the film. Leia is an accomplished, galactically-famous, stateswoman, diplomat, and strategist with decades of experience, and Holdo as we're straight-up told in the movie, even though we've never seen her to this point, is a decorated and celebrated veteran military commander and strategist.

So naturally, Leia slaps Poe right in plain view of the entire command deck, chewing him out for taking out the dreadnought. Sure, Leia is well within her rights and (at that point) completely vindicated in tearing his ass from one bulkhead to another and demoting him, but you do it in private and you do not assault subordinates. You know, because it's damaging to morale and fosters distrust in the lower ranks.

And, seconds later, Poe is completely vindicated when the whole damn First Order fleet jumps out of hyperspace hot on their trail, and had that dreadnought still been around they wouldn't have stood a chance.

This is a fact that should not have been lost on Holdo, who is as described above, which should have proven the quality of Poe's gut instinct along with his past service record with the Resistance. So naturally, Holdo proceeds to give Poe the stink-eye when he tries to give her a basic situation report -- something she would have actually needed, given her flag was on the Ninka and transferred to the Raddus when Leia was incapacitated -- and at least dresses him down in (semi)-private, and sidelines him despite still being the senior flight officer who had a lot of trust and respect among the Raddus' crew.

Then, Holdo tells no one her plan to cruise to Crait and sacrifice the Raddus to screen for the evacuation craft. This is despite her knowing full well the First Order was tracking the vessels directly, and that there was no tracking device aboard the vessels nor any security leaks. Not even her own senior staff, apparently.

Literally all that had to happen was for Holdo to take Poe aside and basically say "you're a hot headed flyboy and I don't like your type. But, you have this crew's trust and respect, they need your leadership, and I need you on my side to help keep their morale up. Our only play is to cruise in normal space to Crait, abandon ship, and shelter in place. I'm keeping this information limited to senior staff because it will devastate morale, but this keeps us alive. People are counting on us, and it's time for you to step up and be a leader outside the cockpit. Get to work."

They could even have done it off-screen, showed Poe not being a jackass, saved the film a good 45 minutes of filler content and give Finn and Rose something to do meaningful to the plot, and then once they abandoned the Raddus showed Holdo's and Poe's conversation as a flashback to maintain the "subversion!".

Rose gets a pass as far as I'm concerned. She's grieving her sister's loss, and grief makes people do stupid shit. I would personally have preferred a story arc for her that involves her and Finn staying on board the Raddus doing techy stuff like what their characters are, and her working through her grief and even confronting Poe about how his "misguided" attack on the dreadnought got her sister killed, which would have been a character-defining moment for all three characters.

Now look, I'm not advocating turning Star Wars into a full-on military sci-fi. But the bottom line is the franchise deals with military and paramilitary powers, so maybe take that into consideration when writing militaristic characters. There was no logical reason for Leia or Holdo to do any of the shit they did early on, that set later events in motion. Period.

I know the hot shit is to accuse people of calling out these characters misogynist. But I'm cantankerous ass and dead-set on going against the grain. The question I want answered, is why are the women characters the exclusive designated idiot ball carriers throughout the entire movie?
 

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Now look, I'm not advocating turning Star Wars into a full-on military sci-fi. But the bottom line is the franchise deals with military and paramilitary powers, so maybe take that into consideration when writing militaristic characters. There was no logical reason for Leia or Holdo to do any of the shit they did early on, that set later events in motion. Period.
It should be noted that the OT and Prequels both had Vets involved who gave Lucas advice on things so that the Republic, Empire and Rebels all acted like a military. Many EU works where also written by Vets, from books to episodes of Clone Wars and even episodes of Underworld (here's hoping Disney unearths those scripts for Hulu). To my knowledge no Vets where involved in the making of the sequels. If they where, their advice seems to have been treated like Lucas' notes to Abrams.
I know the hot shit is to accuse people of calling out these characters misogynist. But I'm cantankerous ass and dead-set on going against the grain. The question I want answered, is why are the women characters the exclusive designated idiot ball carriers throughout the entire movie?
Maybe Rian is secretly the biggest misogynist of them all? As Sargon pointed out in his somewhat humorous review of the movie, it basically boils down to being the story of an incompetent patriarchy fighting an incompetent matriarchy, with the incompetent patriarchy winning the day.

Not what Rian intended I imagine, but postmodernist ideas such as death of the author makes it as valid an interpretation as any.
 

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...[weapon] dealers selling to both sides, which is a fictional thing that Hollywood made up because nothing loses you all your customers (and also puts your life at risk) faster then dealing with both sides of a conflict. That's stuff governments do, but not weapons dealers. Weapons dealers who pull that shit don't last long.
Ha! Says you...

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Casual Shinji said:
Yeah, it's a good breakdown of what's wrong with this movie. Doesn't stop it from being another video adding to the dogpile.
To Plinkett's credit, he does take the effort to point out that there's already been loads of videos about TLJ already, and that everything has already been said.
 

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Anyone who thinks that these movies have some kind of political agenda and that's why they suck or that's why they're good must live a very sad fuckin' existence.
 

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This may not be the strongest Plinkett video but it's got my favorite internet car crash foaming at the mouth on social media.
Good enough.
Can anybody give an intelligent reason for Laura Dern to stubbornly hold back her plan from Poe/her troops, other than giving Poe, Finn and Rose something to do?
 

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Can anybody give an intelligent reason for Laura Dern to stubbornly hold back her plan from Poe/her troops, other than giving Poe, Finn and Rose something to do?
The entire resistance depends on that information staying secret, so I'm guessing that it was a military secret on a need-to-know basis only. You can't risk something that important leaking to the enemy.
 

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Adam Jensen said:
Anyone who thinks that these movies have some kind of political agenda and that's why they suck or that's why they're good must live a very sad fuckin' existence.
No, you see, having good morals means you're supporting white genocide now.
 

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Can anybody give an intelligent reason for Laura Dern to stubbornly hold back her plan from Poe/her troops, other than giving Poe, Finn and Rose something to do?
There is no intelligent reason for Holdo not to tell anyone of the plan, and Poe's arc falls flat on it's face because it relies entirely upon Holdo refusing to tell anyone what the plan is, to the extent of not telling anyone there even IS A PLAN AT ALL. Even if Holdo suspects a spy or other leak in place (of which there is no indication of whatsoever in the movie) she has no good reason whatsoever not to tell everyone there is a plan in place to get out of their situation, she didn't have to go into even the vaguest detail at all, just say that there was A PLAN TO GET THEM ALL OUT ALIVE. I'm sorry that I keep capping this but I have to emphasize this because almost every time I ever tell anybody this they seem to utterly miss the point, which is that there's no reason for Holdo not to tell everybody that there's a plan in place, any plan, make up some B.S. plausible sounding plan to tell everybody, don't say what it is, just tell people there's a plan in existence period.

As it is, Holdo might as well have told everyone "We are all going to die and there's no way out for any of us, so everybody might as well put a blaster pistol to your heads and pull the trigger because none of us are going to get out of this alive". Holdo did everything possible to fail as a leader and give this exact impression, she was pretty much Poe or somebody to do what he did and later for the mutiny. All Holdo had to do was say something akin to "I know things look hopeless, but trust me, there is a plan in place to survive this on a Need To Know basis. As long as everyone does their part we WILL get out of this alive". It would have made so much more sense that way and what's worse, everything could have gone the exact same way that it did and in fact Poe's arc could have been the same but presented much much better by simply having Poe not believe her and/or think he knew better and thus do what he did anyway. Poe actually shows really good leadership ability by trying to find another way, rather than what the movie wants us to think which is that he's just being a hotshot arrogant flyboy rather than a leader and needs to be taken down a few pegs. The way things went Poe's actions were completely justified, he just did what anyone with more than two brain cells would have done in the same situation. Besides, honestly Poe's plan was sound given the information he had, it was just the execution that screwed it all up which is something Poe himself couldn't possibly have predicted. Poe's actions screwing up Holdo's plan were only the natural result of never being told anything and thus he couldn't have possibly known any better. It turns out that people tend to do things that might screw up your plan if you never tell them what it is, especially in an extremely desperate situation.

Sorry about the rant, but Holdo's leadership and in particular Poe's arc as a result are the only issue I have with The Last Jedi and it pisses me off.