Music = art?

[Sennz0r]

All music is art, but not everything you hear on MTV/radio deserves to be called music

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I notice you have a tendency of having the idea that you have the definite answer to every discussion in a thread. Well, there's a reason why it's called a discussion, people are allowed to discuss and usually there isn't a definite ending.

That aside I appreciate your contribution.

 

[EzraPound]

no music is a sport lolololololololz!!!!!1111 n00bz

 

[O maestre]

techno and electronic music is a bit iffy, since art for me is something that is manifested(made by hand) and art is supposed to reflect what the artist sees in the real world, which will cause the listener(in this case) too reflect upon the world, himself/herself or a condition

dj'ing is not art.(period)

 

[Neosage]

I disagree some of the more modern music, you know the stuff using loads of computer editing......oh wait that isn't music, silly me.

Bullshit.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=LpocrqvP2Yg this is music?

It's not to my taste, but it is music in the sense that it is carried by a (simple) steel drum melody and steady rhythm. Voice, Melody, Harmony, Rhythm - anything that contains even one of those in the broadest sense is music. I draw the line of definition with stuff like: http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=QbBBczzDeCA - something that has crossed beyond having any discernable structure or aforementioned qualities.

Using that as an example: is it art? If art is expression, they're expressing themselves loud and artsy. Ask 10 people and get 10 different answers on that one though.

But back to your root comment... anything with computers is not music? You mean to say you've never hummed along with the Mario Bros theme (which was generated by programmed midi data triggering the NES's onboard synthesizer)? When Wendy Carlos used moog synthesizers to perform Switched On Bach, he/she abandoned music?

Any music ever put on a compact disc has made an editing pitstop in a computer, from anything recorded on tape and mastered to vinyl and moved to CD to the music recorded into a digital audio workstation, native or otherwise. None of that is music by virtue of being expressed at 44.1khz 16 bit stereo pulse code modulation?



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Edit: For those of you in the know who would be quick to point out that Wendy Carlo's synthesizer was a monophonic analog modular rig with no digital components, thats true, but for the sake of illustrating a point, let's ignore that the sawtooth waveform was made using control voltages instead of numbers

I apologize again for being unclear anything where the artist has to do one verse then copy and paste the rest. Generally involving no skill.

 

[Dr Pussymagnet]

Congrats, this hasn't been done before, and I agree with Nine Inch Nails being art.

This, THIS is art - http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=LKY5vvDC7Bc

All music is art, other than rap, reggae, and electro.

Technically, you didn't actually lie about what it was.

 

[sirdanrhodes]

Congrats, this hasn't been done before, and I agree with Nine Inch Nails being art.

This, THIS is art - http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=LKY5vvDC7Bc

All music is art, other than rap, reggae, and electro.

Technically, you didn't actually lie about what it was.

Quick, delete what you said it was, more people will watch it. And no, it's not what you think it is, it's something new.

 

[GenHellspawn]

Congrats, this hasn't been done before, and I agree with Nine Inch Nails being art.

This, THIS is art - http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=LKY5vvDC7Bc

All music is art, other than rap, reggae, and electro.

First of all, rickrolls are kinda shunned around here, even though that one's kinda cool.

Second, what exactly makes those other genres less artistic then others?

 

[Dr Pussymagnet]

Congrats, this hasn't been done before, and I agree with Nine Inch Nails being art.

This, THIS is art - http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=LKY5vvDC7Bc

All music is art, other than rap, reggae, and electro.

Technically, you didn't actually lie about what it was.

Quick, delete what you said it was, more people will watch it. And no, it's not what you think it is, it's something new.

Done.

We're so hilarious.

 

[speedcoreXdandy]

Congrats, this hasn't been done before, and I agree with Nine Inch Nails being art.

This, THIS is art - http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=LKY5vvDC7Bc

All music is art, other than rap, reggae, and electro.

Reggae!?!?!? I can understand rap and electro, even if I think you're completely 100% wrong but Reggae I just don't get, how is it less of an artform than other types of music?

 

[sirdanrhodes]

Congrats, this hasn't been done before, and I agree with Nine Inch Nails being art.

This, THIS is art - http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=LKY5vvDC7Bc

All music is art, other than rap, reggae, and electro.

First of all, rickrolls are kinda shunned around here, even though that one's kinda cool.

Second, what exactly makes those other genres less artistic then others?

I think I've been here long enough to know that we don't like them, but that isn't a RR.

 

[GenHellspawn]

Congrats, this hasn't been done before, and I agree with Nine Inch Nails being art.

This, THIS is art - http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=LKY5vvDC7Bc

All music is art, other than rap, reggae, and electro.

First of all, rickrolls are kinda shunned around here, even though that one's kinda cool.

Second, what exactly makes those other genres less artistic then others?

I think I've been here long enough to know that we don't like them, but that isn't a RR.

It may be a rick roll in G Major or whatever, and with added visual filters, but it still indeed a rick roll.

Also, mind answering my previous question?

 

[Snotnarok]

If someone can paint a few squares on a canvas and be called art than many things are considered art. Music is very much an artform, as are video games and movies. If anything video games is the biggest pieces of art, it's composed of many, many different artists who draw, model, act, create music, write to make one big interactive piece of art. Buy yes music is very much art, it's just a different medium used to show a different sense beauty. Or if it's bad horror.

 

[sirdanrhodes]

Congrats, this hasn't been done before, and I agree with Nine Inch Nails being art.

This, THIS is art - http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=LKY5vvDC7Bc

All music is art, other than rap, reggae, and electro.

First of all, rickrolls are kinda shunned around here, even though that one's kinda cool.

Second, what exactly makes those other genres less artistic then others?

I think I've been here long enough to know that we don't like them, but that isn't a RR.

It may be a rick roll in G Major or whatever, and with added visual filters, but it still indeed a rick roll.

Also, mind answering my previous question?

Sorry, I kinda lost concentration after you mentioned that video.

To answer your question, I feel that those three genres are just noise, well, I suppose you could consider reggae as art, because that's about chilling out, kinda like chill out art work. If you were to consider Rap/ Electro style music as art, to me, it's be art you'd find from nursery, it's just naf.

 

[GenHellspawn]

it's be art you'd find from nursery, it's just naf.

Could you expand on that a little? I have no clue what that means.

 

[gigastrike]

All forms of music can be a work of art if the artist intended for it to be.

 

[BallPtPenTheif]

All music is art, other than rap, reggae, and electro.

WRONG

Sorry, if collage and the Dadaism movement are considered art than so are genres of music that include black people and vegan ravers.

Have a nice day.

 

[CIA]

The only music which is art is the music that culturally important people say is art.

hehe.

I think art is art if you say its art.

Like so: Check it out, my post is art! (especially the Jedi squirrel)

 

[Trace2010]

IMPORTANT: The definition of art here is the same as a painting or sculpture, something that just SOUNDS beautiful, makes you think, sends a message whatever. If you have a different idea of what you consider art you can elaborate on that [/quote]

"SOUNDS"...I think you proved your own point there, buddy.

 

[runtheplacered]

techno and electronic music is a bit iffy, since art for me is something that is manifested(made by hand) and art is supposed to reflect what the artist sees in the real world, which will cause the listener(in this case) too reflect upon the world, himself/herself or a condition

dj'ing is not art.(period)

You do realize that Dj'ing is not equal to electronic music, right? I'm assuming you've heard of wedding DJ's or radio DJ's. And I hope you also realize that not all electronic music is the 4-4 repetitive club/rave music that unfortunately saturates the genre. In fact, electronic music really is either very real sounds being conducted in an electronic environment, or being synthesized with an instrument that's not unlike a piano.

As for, "and art is supposed to reflect what the artist sees in the real world"... well, that's just flat out false.

 

[CIA]

All music is art, although, I am seriously stretching that for rap. Most other music types have some sort of musical instrument, people singing, stuff like that. A lot of the rap around now is just people talking with a computer to make some sort of drum beat.

You must admit it takes a certain amount of lyrical dexterity to rap. Also you must admit that it is not easy to think up lyrics. These are the things you must admit. It has been spoken.