Music is in a bad way...
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Perhaps stop listening to the radio and get out there to listen to less well known bands, the radio is certainly not anywhere near a definitive summary of the entire spectrum of music of the current generation. There are tonnes of bands out their ranging from every genre, every style, and from terrible to awesome, you've just gotta look for them!
I know the 50s/60s formula had changed, but by "Rock n' Roll is a fad" people meant that after a while teenagers would stop having their own styles of music and go back to the listening habits of their parents' generation, which hasn't happened. Rock n' Roll has evolved into genres we know today, and hasn't died at all. I'm not saying chart music today is good, far from it, but underneath the garbage good music is still being made.Cynical skeptic said:
The reason I quoted that in the first place is that I wanted to show how the people of one generation cannot judge the significance of that generation until it has passed - just like people assumed Elvis would be a one-hit-wonder - it's impossible to tell until a good few decades after.
So stop listening to the radio then.MiracleOfSound said:
That's cuz the playing field has gotten too fucken wide. The consumer has too wide a choice.MiracleOfSound said:
You gotter be real original to show up on the soundscape if you don't have backing from the record industry all the way.
And they only back surefire winners.
Besides, most of the "oldies" are still going strong, leaving no room for newcomers.
But, there's other mediums than radio. Create and listen to you own stream, no use in letting "the man" tell you what to do.
I'm just going to say it... but every sort of disagreement on this basically boils down to, "MUSIC ISN'T SHITTY NOW! HERE, LISTEN TO A FEW BANDS ONLY I'VE EVER HEARD OF!"
The reality is the "pop" of the 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s lead people down paths they otherwise never would've taken. While the pop of the 00's was completely self-contained. If you liked it, you weren't going to find it anywhere else as it has no influences. It was derived entirely from everything thats ever been popular, with every sharp edge electronically ground away.
In the 80s, synthesizers were criticized because most the successful bands couldn't play an "actual" instrument. You still have the video from flock of seagulls where the guy is just holding a single key and trying to make it look impressive. But he still made whatever that keyboard was automatically spewing. Beiber, for example, has never picked up an instrument. All the music is constructed by his handlers. Hes nothing but a face, as even his voice is auto-tuned.
The reality is the "pop" of the 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s lead people down paths they otherwise never would've taken. While the pop of the 00's was completely self-contained. If you liked it, you weren't going to find it anywhere else as it has no influences. It was derived entirely from everything thats ever been popular, with every sharp edge electronically ground away.
In the 80s, synthesizers were criticized because most the successful bands couldn't play an "actual" instrument. You still have the video from flock of seagulls where the guy is just holding a single key and trying to make it look impressive. But he still made whatever that keyboard was automatically spewing. Beiber, for example, has never picked up an instrument. All the music is constructed by his handlers. Hes nothing but a face, as even his voice is auto-tuned.
The problem is that the successful bands of today have made more money and sold more records than Elvis did while he was still alive. Selling a million records was a big deal back then. Now its a benchmark. Then, despite the millions of records sold, the bands won't be remembered in a few years.Alex Cowan said:
Interesting, I don't like the majority, if not any of the artists listed in the OP.
I'm not saying that the more recent stuff is golden, but the music that parks itself in the mainstream has never been my favourite.
I look at the hundreds of recent artists as a bigger chance of there being something I'll like. But until old Mega Man music climbs into the charts, I doubt popular stuff will ever be present in my most played.
I'm not saying that the more recent stuff is golden, but the music that parks itself in the mainstream has never been my favourite.
I look at the hundreds of recent artists as a bigger chance of there being something I'll like. But until old Mega Man music climbs into the charts, I doubt popular stuff will ever be present in my most played.
Have you noticed that people only consider their music good when they look back on it?MiracleOfSound said:
Because I have.
Nostalgic people who said "This music isn't that great," when it was actually being made are now saying "New music sucks, old music is better,".
Give it 10 years and you'll get people saying "Music from 2000 was way better than this music now,".
Regardless, you won't find any music people considered "world changing". The music industry revolves around making money now. Take the passion out of music and you just have sound played over a radio. While most people don't care about this, and the average joe just listens to it without thinking about it, you won't get any "world changing" music.
2K music though...
I'm going with Daft Punk, Coldplay, Nickelback and the Black Eyed Peas.
I don't think they're good but they were all popular and remain semi-popular now.
Music that will make you smile?
Les Claypool's work. He's put out two albums in the last few years. Even though Primus is on hiatus right now, he's still making music, which I think is awesome.
Buckethead. In almost any song he is, he's got a distinctive sound and style. You can pick him out of a song by guitar alone. Words are not needed. And he's been in so many collaborative groups, that in all, he's been able to churn out tons of music.
Alice in Chains. Their newest album is just another check mark in a long line of musical successes. And I've always had a soft spot for their "nearly metal" sound.
The White Stripes. These fellows sort of define "alternative" music for me. They're the flagship of the armada, as far as I see it. They're popular, their music is good and they're good performers.
Them Crooked Vultures. It's a supergroup of some of the best of the best. If they continue to make albums, they'll get success quickly.
Shinedown. I think they sound a lot like Nickelback. But the '90s Nickelback that didn't puss out on songs and make them all about hicks in love and guns.
Wolfmother. Amazing group here, with songs that have been everywhere. Listen through their album and you'll get the feeling of "I've heard this before,". It's because you have. A lot of their music has been used in film trailers, movies and the like, and that's because it's pretty bloody good.
It isn't even 2011 and you're claiming the music of today hasn't influenced new artists?Cynical skeptic said:
There's a heap of shit in every decade. It just gets forgotten.
To be honest, the 00's weren't that bad. Metal is in better shape than it's been since the eighties (Mastodon formed in 1999, Machine Head released some great albums, Lamb Of God formed in 1998). 'Proper' rock is coming back a bit (Stone Gods, Black Stone Cherry, Airbourne, Black Spiders, Priestess).
And of course, in 2004, Streetlight Manifesto formed.
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To be honest, the 00's weren't that bad. Metal is in better shape than it's been since the eighties (Mastodon formed in 1999, Machine Head released some great albums, Lamb Of God formed in 1998). 'Proper' rock is coming back a bit (Stone Gods, Black Stone Cherry, Airbourne, Black Spiders, Priestess).
And of course, in 2004, Streetlight Manifesto formed.
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Admittedly, proper rock (not this pussy ass indie bullshit) is unfortunately hard to find, but it's there. Stone Gods, Black Stone Cherry, Airbourne and Black Spiders are all rock bands from the last ten years.Cynical skeptic said:
I think the real problem is the internet. Now that it's use is so commonplace we find bands taking advatage of it and posting their music for everyone to hear. In the past, if you wanted to be heard you had to demonstrate enough talent and a broad enough appeal to get signed by a label. Now, people can just make a Myspace page to post their crappy music and then they spam it at people until they have an audience. It just means niche styles are gettting more exposure.
It's not that there isn't any new music out there or genre changing stuff...It's just that the radio doesn't play it. The radio is NOT a good source for music anymore, and that's the real sad state of affairs. Eventually radio will just die. As soon as the majority of the world is wireless there will be no reason for anyone to listen to the radio when they can connect to any internet radio station and listen to anything they want.
Besides, there are tons of bands with amazing sounds out there changing genres. You just gotta find em and say "screw the radio".
Examples: Mute Math, Delhi to Dublin if you don't believe me.
Besides, there are tons of bands with amazing sounds out there changing genres. You just gotta find em and say "screw the radio".
Examples: Mute Math, Delhi to Dublin if you don't believe me.
Well, it sounds like you need some better radio stations. For one thing, lots of those bands are still going, but I guess you don't count that.
Anyway, we have* the the Raconteurs, the Black Keys, Cage the Elephant, Halford, the White Stripes, Damageplan, Fueled by Fire, Hellyeah, and more I can't think of.
*some of these were formed in the late 90s, but still...
Anyway, we have* the the Raconteurs, the Black Keys, Cage the Elephant, Halford, the White Stripes, Damageplan, Fueled by Fire, Hellyeah, and more I can't think of.
*some of these were formed in the late 90s, but still...
The main reason in my view is mainstream music has become increasingly reliant on ONE person - the vocalist - being backed by chord progressions on guitar/keyboard, 16 different backing vocal tracks echoing to satisfy the producer, and enough reverb to kill a small state.
This is increasingly starting to spread from pop and mainstream hip-hop/rap into rock music too.
I mostly stick to punk (and Green Day) myself.
This is increasingly starting to spread from pop and mainstream hip-hop/rap into rock music too.
I mostly stick to punk (and Green Day) myself.
Well, the 00's gave us this:
Some might argue that it doesn't count since they have been on since '93, but they're still making good music in this era.
Some might argue that it doesn't count since they have been on since '93, but they're still making good music in this era.
I think the Fray is going to be remembered as a big hit band, for better or worse.Outright Villainy said:
Take. A look. At. MUSE.
They mix ochestral, rock, electronica and metal with their music and fill it up with Matt Bellamy's signature voice which everyone can tell is from MUSE.
They are just absolutely brilliant, however i do beleive music has gone down slightly with all the samey stuff and boring teen bands and rappers.
Them Crooked Vultures are absolutely bad ass though, they're a supergroup (Although they have said they don't like to be called that) of Dave Grohl(Foo Fighters, Nirvana), Josh Homme (Queens of the Stone Age) and John Paul Jones (Led Zeppelin).
They mix ochestral, rock, electronica and metal with their music and fill it up with Matt Bellamy's signature voice which everyone can tell is from MUSE.
They are just absolutely brilliant, however i do beleive music has gone down slightly with all the samey stuff and boring teen bands and rappers.
Them Crooked Vultures are absolutely bad ass though, they're a supergroup (Although they have said they don't like to be called that) of Dave Grohl(Foo Fighters, Nirvana), Josh Homme (Queens of the Stone Age) and John Paul Jones (Led Zeppelin).