Music (rant)

[DraftPickle]

Rap is interesting because it can be linked into many different types of music e.g Rapcore I mean Rage Against The Machine are fucking genius's they give rap stones. and on a side note Punk type Rap like One Day As A Lion is friggin brilliant.

 

[Baby Tea]

The best way to deal with them is to ignore them. If no one pays attention to them, they'll realize just how stupid they sound and eventually stop.

Sadly, I think leaving them to their ignorance will only help such uneducated drivel to continue unopposed.

I can admit that I'm not a fan of some popular, older bands (Yup, I don't like the Beatles that much), but I can respect them for what they OBVIOUSLY accomplished. Whether I like them or not has nothing to do with how incredibly popular they were, and the impact they made on the music scene.

 

[SecretTacoNinja]

Were these people by any chance wearing sports gear and speaking as if they had peanut butter stuck to the roof of their mouths? We call them chavs over here in Blighty.
I have these kind of shit-heads wherever I go it seems.

I might just decide to melt their brains with some Rammstein or Apocalyptica at full blast next time I see them.

Kids these days... (Coming from a 15-and-a-half year-old here).

 

[AgentNein]

Rap is interesting because it can be linked into many different types of music e.g Rapcore I mean Rage Against The Machine are fucking genius's they give rap stones. and on a side note Punk type Rap like One Day As A Lion is friggin brilliant.

Not familiar but I'm going to have to check this out.

In the end people just need to keep an open mind about these things. I'll give almost any genre of music a fair shake, yes even metal. I was giving metal a lot of shit the other day but that was mostly annoyance talking.

Don't get me wrong, I can't stand most of it. Metallica, Motorhead, that's about it for me. But I'll give it a fair shake.

 

[Fightgarr]

I lost my respect for your rant when you refuted hip hop as genre that produces good music. Only someone who knows so little about music that they do not understand how vast that genre is could have said something like that. To me that discredits your rant to a ridiculous degree. I'm not saying your class was right, I'm just saying that you've basically invalidated your knowledge of music by refuting one of the largest genres currently recording music.

 

[Deadman Walkin]

First off most of them are rapping about how horrible and "living in the ghetto" is. It is a ridiculous perspective on what the hood is like, because most of them are ridiculously rich, as well as living in giant mansions with sick cars.

Whilst I see your perspective, I've gotta disagree. "Most" of them aren't talking about all that "ghetto" shit. "Some" of them have come from that shit and fair play, they've done well. "Most" of rap is pushed to one side in favour of the "I'm-so-m-fing-gangsta" genre. This is why we've got guys in England saying "blud" and wearing red bandanas everywhere. It's all bullshit.

Also, Akala is another rapper well worth a listen. He's an english guy (london) so yes, his accent can get annoying, but his lyrics are pretty witty. I know I'm gonna regret it, but also listen to Dizzee Rascal's stuff. He's started looking around at the kids on the streets and realised that gangsta is destroying this genre of music.

I am sorry I definitely used the wrong word for that. "I'm-so-m-fing-gangsta" is what I am referring to. Again as I said, I don't mind some rap, but that gangsta shit is just....awful. Although I do respect that people like it, and it is their choice to do what they will.

 

[Deadman Walkin]

One thing that does drive me crazy about rap though, is how they use music from older bands like The Doors and Areosmith songs like Lil Wayne - Riders On The Storm. When I heard that, I was more than just angry, I was disgusted. He destroyed the song, by adding a few parts of the original here and there to make up for when he couldn't think up lyrics, and turn the song into a mockery.

 

[Berethond]

ooh it's fun time!

1. When the core of music is emotion, people lose their will to make music when the emotion is gone, thus the faded stars of once great bands of every emotionally-charged genre, most recently nu-metal and emocore. I do not have any feelings toward music, thus I enjoy more of it. It does not offend me if its emotions or cultural background do not interest or relate to me. I can enjoy it regardless of race, style, genre, or language. And it's a shame that most people tend to believe all forms of creativity MUST be emotion-based. It puts a big damper on what could be. The fact that emotion is behind alot of music is why so much of it causes polarized fanbases and genre wars. It's almost.. painful to watch. I said in my previous post that I wish I knew people like me that understood the sound (Note: That word right there? It says sound. Say it with me!) of music and enjoyed it to the extent that I do, but I don't. So I'm stuck having to see people spout opinions based on cultural background, amount of apparent talent, and emotional affect. I know for sure I began enjoying music much more when I stopped viewing it exclusively emotionally. It started sounding better. I heard more things. Some songs stopped sounding as good due to that, but I at least can enjoy more music and never be bored with it. And people actually think they can argue with that? How come I'm always on the positive side if I'm so full of error? That is ridiculous.

Music evolved as a way to express music without needing to speak. Primitive forms of music probably existed before speech, actually. The whole purpose of music is emotion. It's evolved a tad, now it has a slight dual-purpose, in that it's also used as a medium for dance. Which is also based on expressing emotion. If you take emotion out of music, it's dead. And pointless. And, for your information, Music is different from Sound(Sound is vibration transmitted through a solid, liquid, or gas; particularly, sound means those vibrations composed of frequencies capable of being detected by ears.)

2. TheSKSpecial's post was right on the money. Guess what? There are rappers who make songs like Soulja Boy's, and still don't make it! Guess why? They aren't as good as Soulja Boy. He's number one, they're not. I definately couldn't do what he did/does. Sure he isn't, as I said, aiming to please the masses of iconoclasts and cork sniffers, but that doesn't matter to me or any of his fans. I am not a fan of him, but that doesn't mean I have to put on this big act and pretend I'm the boss of good music. And, no. No. NO. Rap is not 'talking'. That is incredibly ignorant and ethnocentric. Not to mention rude. It takes rhythm. It takes rhyme. It takes the right voice and the right tone of voice. I've heard rappers with uninteresting voices and stiff flow, and others I can't tell apart from one another. But there are others (and this includes Soulja Boy) that I can tell apart from other ones and I can immediately recognize their style as soon as I hear the song. I don't even have to like them to recognize them. To use cliche insults and comparisons to children is as ignorant as it is irritating.

Yes, there are tons of other rappers with songs like Soulja Boy. And no one knows about them because he was more lucky, and more marketable to record companies than the others. You also say I'm 'ethnocentric' when you have absolutely no idea where I come from or what race I am. For as far as you know, I could be Pakistani, Colombian, or even black. (by very cleverly insinuating that I am a rascist white male, you betray your own ignorance and rascism.)

3. All the music that gets ragged on DOES have at least two those three things. Don't be ridiculous. You have no right to claim what's music and what's not. You aren't that special just because you hate stuff. The internet lies when it tells you that. And how the hell can I dance/headbang/etc to it if it DOESN'T have any of those? I can't believe you hit the post button after typing that. Do you actually believe that the enjoyment of music means nothing? Are you kidding me? You actually believe that the sound of a song causing me to want to move to it means nothing? That is appaling.

Well. You completely missed the point, music has to have all three of said qualities. And now, you proceed to imply that I am nothing but a helpless troll and insult my intelligence. And, a song making you want to move it exhibits the first quality, Rhythm.

4. Once again, are you kidding me? You didn't even read what I posted did you? I will attempt rephrasing now so that it can't be removed from its context. People claim that music was 'better back then'. When they talk about this oh-so-great golden age, they only name a handful of things. Things build up over time. Great things happen every so often. That every so often doesn't happen instantly or over the course of a few days. It takes a while. The days of old had plenty of time to give us music. But people aren't willing to give today time. And then in 10 more years, people will claim that music was better during this time period. It has nothing to do with the lives of classical composers. I don't even know why you brought that into this. But I'm assuming it was to appear more intelligent to me since you used the magic words "look up".

It appears as though I have misinterpreted your point. I had believed that you meant the time spent composing the song itself, and not the time it has to influence the collective society. My mistake.

However, you continue to insult my intelligence, as well as my diction.

 

[djpuppylove789]

One thing that does drive me crazy about rap though, is how they use music from older bands like The Doors and Areosmith songs like Lil Wayne - Riders On The Storm. When I heard that, I was more than just angry, I was disgusted. He destroyed the song, by adding a few parts of the original here and there to make up for when he couldn't think up lyrics, and turn the song into a mockery.

its not just rap. i heard the My Chemical Romance version of Dylan's Desolation Row (one of my favorite songs BTW) and was completely appalled. then i found out that MCR and The Used (a band i kind of liked) did a cover of Under Pressure by Queen and David Fucking Bowie! Do u honestly think that 2 shitty emo singers can pull of the vocal master that is Freddie Mercury? GOD NO!!!

I dont automatically hate all modern music. for the most part, when i go to school/work i just turn on the radio and find a song that sounds good. once something comes on that i dont like i change it.

P.S. one thing that does drive me absolutely apeshit about modern music in general is that no band makes a good album. say all you want about their music, but has there been any complete albums lately that have no bad songs? (ie. Sgt. Pepper, Ten, In Utero, Dark Side of the Moon, Zep IV, and Born to Run)

 

[Deadman Walkin]

its not just rap. i heard the My Chemical Romance version of Dylan's Desolation Row (one of my favorite songs BTW) and was completely appalled. then i found out that MCR and The Used (a band i kind of liked) did a cover of Under Pressure by Queen and David Fucking Bowie! Do u honestly think that 2 shitty emo singers can pull of the vocal master that is Freddie Mercury? GOD NO!!!

I dont automatically hate all modern music. for the most part, when i go to school/work i just turn on the radio and find a song that sounds good. once something comes on that i dont like i change it.

P.S. one thing that does drive me absolutely apeshit about modern music in general is that no band makes a good album. say all you want about their music, but has there been any complete albums lately that have no bad songs? (ie. Sgt. Pepper, Ten, In Utero, Dark Side of the Moon, Zep IV, and Born to Run)

Actually, I think The Audioslave CD "Audioslave" (ironic) but I liked every song on that album. That is well, really the only album of modern music (in my opinion) which has been generally good all around. Of course there are people who will disagree with my opinion and thats fine.

 

[Mizaki]

Music evolved as a way to express music without needing to speak. Primitive forms of music probably existed before speech, actually. The whole purpose of music is emotion. It's evolved a tad, now it has a slight dual-purpose, in that it's also used as a medium for dance. Which is also based on expressing emotion. If you take emotion out of music, it's dead. And pointless. And, for your information, Music is different from Sound(Sound is vibration transmitted through a solid, liquid, or gas; particularly, sound means those vibrations composed of frequencies capable of being detected by ears.)

Yes, there are tons of other rappers with songs like Soulja Boy. And no one knows about them because he was more lucky, and more marketable to record companies than the others. You also say I'm 'ethnocentric' when you have absolutely no idea where I come from or what race I am. For as far as you know, I could be Pakistani, Colombian, or even black. (by very cleverly insinuating that I am a rascist white male, you betray your own ignorance and rascism.)

Well. You completely missed the point, music has to have all three of said qualities. And now, you proceed to imply that I am nothing but a helpless troll and insult my intelligence. And, a song making you want to move it exhibits the first quality, Rhythm.

Sigh. Here we go again. Time for more numbers!

1. Yes, I know that. What I am saying is, it is unfortunate because it stifles creativity for the purpose of entertainment or fun. Because when people make music for those reasons, suddenly they're the worst thing evar. It's so unfair really because I love music primarily for how it sounds, and I tend to be a black sheep all the time because of that. Also, I did not say "Sound is music". I said "Music is sound". And music being 'pointless' is one of the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen people say. What if the point is for the enjoyment of the rhythm or melody? That magically doesn't exist because you and some dudes who write books and articles say so? I beg to differ because I actually exist, and hearing is among my five senses. I experience it. My sense of hearing can pick up the sound of music. I enjoy it. I do not have to connect emotionally to it to do so. How many times to I have to rephrase that? I hope I don't have to again. It's a narrow view to consider music to only be a soapbox or outlet.

2. You can still be non-white and ethnocentric. In fact, most rap fans are VERY ethnocentric. Honestly, I don't care what race you are. Even if we were face to face and you were black, I'd say the same thing, and I have to a black person before (And it was about rap too!). I've also called people out on how they treat me for liking non-English music. "You understand the words? How can you like it if you can't understand the words?" And it got worse from there, complete with respective racial slurs (Not that I'm comparing the situations). And also, marketable is not something you can roll dice to determine. He's doing something right. Stop trying to completely discredit him just because he doesn't appeal to you. That incredibly unfair.

3. That is untrue. So untrue. Maybe you think that way, but I've heard songs with no melody that I enjoy profusely. And really, it's laughable that people disagree with me there because I like both sides of the fence, and yet people still think they can possibly POSSIBLY say anything against that? Do you know what that looks like? Seriously, here I am debating with you and I'm like "music is great!" and you're like "no only music that meets this criteria is music to begin with". The logic is baffling! I realized during this post I'm actually trying to argue with someone who believes that music can be regulated with rules! Like creativity has bounds, criteria, and laws. That's... wow. And still, after all I just said, you are continuing to completely disregard the fact that people enjoy it and that they have every right to continue enjoying it and continue making it for others to enjoy. But it's when all forms of any creativity get referred to as "art" and expected to meet classy highbrow rules and regulations that people get tunnel vision.

Also, I don't think of you as a troll.

 

[Berethond]

Also, I don't think of you as a troll.

Well, you do have some very good points. But I'm obviously going to desperately cling to my tunnel vision(filled with emotion) and you to yours.

Good day, sir, I bid you adieu until the next time we meet. May they be under kinder circumstances than this.
(I know that sounds really formal, but whatever.)
Oh yeah, you don't have to understand the words to understand the meaning.

 

[TheSKSpecial]

its not just rap. i heard the My Chemical Romance version of Dylan's Desolation Row (one of my favorite songs BTW) and was completely appalled. then i found out that MCR and The Used (a band i kind of liked) did a cover of Under Pressure by Queen and David Fucking Bowie! Do u honestly think that 2 shitty emo singers can pull of the vocal master that is Freddie Mercury? GOD NO!!!

I dont automatically hate all modern music. for the most part, when i go to school/work i just turn on the radio and find a song that sounds good. once something comes on that i dont like i change it.

P.S. one thing that does drive me absolutely apeshit about modern music in general is that no band makes a good album. say all you want about their music, but has there been any complete albums lately that have no bad songs? (ie. Sgt. Pepper, Ten, In Utero, Dark Side of the Moon, Zep IV, and Born to Run)

Rap-wise, "The Listening" by Little Brother, "Median's Relief" by Median, and "All Of The Above" by J-Live are all complete, great albums, IMO.

 

[Mizaki]

Also, I don't think of you as a troll.

Well, you do have some very good points. But I'm obviously going to desperately cling to my tunnel vision(filled with emotion) and you to yours.

Good day, sir, I bid you adieu until the next time we meet. May they be under kinder circumstances than this.
(I know that sounds really formal, but whatever.)
Oh yeah, you don't have to understand the words to understand the meaning.

I was going to say the same thing. Heh. Thanks, I hope the circumstances will be better too. Good debate though. Better than 90% of the ones I've ever had.

 

[ChromeAlchemist]

It's ridiculous how people can say and actually believe that it isn't music if there's no one playing an instrument on it. Or when people claim music was better 'back then'. Or people who spend their existance dissing rap and what they believe to be emo. And then there's the "I like everything but country and rap" lie. But I've already said this type of stuff before so I will copy and paste, then modify to fit the thread/add more awesome.

Talent is not the core of music. Sound is the core of music. I accept all forms of music as long as there is something, at least one thing interesting about it. I do not care even slightly about messages, emotional effect, talent, skill, or anything like that. Because when it comes down to it, I cannot dance/headbang/bob my head to any of the things I mentioned there. Why? They. Are. Not. The. Music. Judging music purely from that is like judging food purely off of the taste of its dipping sauce. I like I wish there were more people like me in the respect that they don't obsessively hold their cups of tea at an obscenely high level and spit on everything that doesn't taste like it. It bothers me alot. It seems every time people mention music, someone is always going "RAP SUCKS" "I HATE SCREAMING MUSIC" "EMO SUCKS" "NEW METALLICA SUCKS" every single time. And it's endless.

It is not easy work to make a good rap song. It really isn't. Even mainstream songs. I am unable to do what Soulja Boy does. If I tried, he'd still do it better than me. And I'm not going to deny it just because he does something I wouldn't. I respect Soulja Boy and I wish him the best of luck as a rapper because there are people who enjoy his music and it's a dick move to take that away. I cannot stress enough, music is still music despite the methods to obtaining the sound. So what he isn't trying to impress white teenagers with his talent? That doesn't matter.

The topic of 'modern music' is one that will never go well. The nostalgia glasses do nothing good for anybody, really. Music always will be awesome. It's amusing how there's so many artists out there who have loyal and rabid audiences, but when old music is mentioned, people only name a couple bands. Like I said about games, a long time ago had a long time to give us good music. And actually, I find myself enjoying more modern music than old because ideas and technology have evolved since the old days. And it's not like alot of music wasn't stagnant for most of the history of music anyway.

I've grown to appreciate tons of music because I learned to ask myself "Do I love/hate this because of how it sounds or how it makes me feel?" Maybe others should try that too. Because even though it makes people look smart and cool when they go "MAINSTREAM = SUCK I H8 RADIO", there are gems everywhere. Even in cultures and class levels that aren't yours.

I'm glad that there is someone like you on these forums, and I agree with most of your points.

Don't go anywhere soon.

 

[ChromeAlchemist]

its not just rap. i heard the My Chemical Romance version of Dylan's Desolation Row (one of my favorite songs BTW) and was completely appalled. then i found out that MCR and The Used (a band i kind of liked) did a cover of Under Pressure by Queen and David Fucking Bowie! Do u honestly think that 2 shitty emo singers can pull of the vocal master that is Freddie Mercury? GOD NO!!!

I dont automatically hate all modern music. for the most part, when i go to school/work i just turn on the radio and find a song that sounds good. once something comes on that i dont like i change it.

P.S. one thing that does drive me absolutely apeshit about modern music in general is that no band makes a good album. say all you want about their music, but has there been any complete albums lately that have no bad songs? (ie. Sgt. Pepper, Ten, In Utero, Dark Side of the Moon, Zep IV, and Born to Run)

Rap-wise, "The Listening" by Little Brother, "Median's Relief" by Median, and "All Of The Above" by J-Live are all complete, great albums, IMO.

And a few of many. So many out there but people tend to cling to their ways too much to notice them.

 

[xxcloud417xx]

Well, I would like to say : Welcome to Life in a Free Country! Where even morons have the right to free expression. Just sit back and ignore.

 

[Instinct Blues]

For those of you who think modern music = shit

I would like to introduce you to The White Stripes, The Raconteurs,and Brendan Benson.

 

[TheSKSpecial]

And a few of many. So many out there but people tend to cling to their ways too much to notice them.

True. I was just naming a few great rap albums released this decade. I like to point them out when people spout off about how all rappers now (or American rappers if you're from another country) talk about is guns, drugs, bling, etc, and the only good rappers are Eminem, Beastie Boys, Run DMC, or *insert random foreign rapper name here*.

From then on, the onus is on them: either remain ignorant about their opinion and hate for the sake of hating (which most do), or accept that they don't know all there is to rap to just blindly dislike it and say the uninformed things they do about it.

Just trying to spread some understanding here.

 

[Mizaki]

I'm glad that there is someone like you on these forums, and I agree with most of your points.

Don't go anywhere soon.

Thanks. Good to know I'm not the only one, too.