Music that its "acceptible" to like

[RanD00M]

There is no type of music that is universally liked. The closest thing, by definition, is whatever qualifies as "popular music" for the time period.

I will say, however, that rap is not an acceptable form for anyone to like because it is almost OBJECTIVELY NOT MUSIC. Seriously, the only part of it people care about is the lyrics, which is just poetry. If the only important component of a "musical genre" is a non-musical component, how can you honestly classify it as music?

How is it objectively not music? Making such a bold statement without explanation is ballsy, I'll give you that, but is wrong as well.

OT: Music generally liked these days is Rap/R'n'B and some new subgenre of Electronica every other week. Now there are certain music act that have become popular recently that don't fall under any of those, but they are few and far between. I think we could classify the popular music of today as party music, because most of the songs are on that subject.

On the second thing, if my tastes fall under the popular music of today, some but very little. Now I for the most part listen to metal and old school rock. Some Electronica and House music I like, for instance The Prodigy and Daft Punk, but for the most part I'm in the heavier stuff.

 

[Ickorus]

According to Valve Smooth Jazz is the most acceptable genre of music.

 

[rosac]

I dont know how to tag videos or even properly put links into a thread, but here is some music I personally believe anyone can listen to:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZp6dhheriM&NR=1

 

[JoesshittyOs]

The only thing I really don't accept as music is rap, and pretty much all Death Metal.

Is there atleast a good reason for this?

I guess for the most part because of how materialistic Rap is

Thats a shitty reason, and isnt acctually based on knowledge, even if all rap/hip hop was materialistic then it would still be music.

But what you know about hip hop anyway? Have you ever listened to a hip hop album? How many hip hop albums have you listened and which groups did you listen to?

Okay, get this "Cold hard fact" nonsense out of the way. Describing what music I like and dislike will never resort to facts, seeing how it's an art form. Music is expression, and that's something that's impossible to prove. Hitting pans together and making fart noises could be considered music. Doesn't mean it is, especially for what this thread is asking.

You want to try that? "Prove" to me why Rap should be an art form.

And no, it's a perfectly adequate reason. The majority of rap is talking to a beat. And usually it's just expanding on how great murder, violence, sexual discrimination, and gangs are such great things.

I've heard all kinds of Hip Hop. Underground, old school (which I admit, has it's charms), the "anti-whatever". Even the ones with half decent messages are only considered music because of the beat that goes with it.

And it has more emphasis on image than any other music genre.

, and as for Death Metal, it's the vocalist parts generally.

I'd say 9 out of 10 times it's that infamous back of the throat screaming they do, and it's impossible to discern the lyrics.

So it doesnt appeal to you and you dismiss it as non music. Lol.

Lol? What is this, YouTube?

No, I dismiss it because it's a half-assed attempt to be called music. There's plenty of great Heavy Metal guitarist, drummers, and even bassist who are complete waste of talents when their vocalists are a majority. It's the same thing with screamo music.

I used to think it sounded good at one point, but then I realized it's just some idiot screaming at the top of his lungs with the back of his throat. It sounds fucking terrible. But sure, in all technicalities, it's music. But I don't have to like it.

And also, you seem to be forgetting what this thread is asking.

 

[JoesshittyOs]

You're welcome to dislike whatever you want, but dismissing it as not music simply because it's not to your taste is incredibly ignorant.

Also, your point about hip-hop is just.. utterly wrong. This, for example:


Is that more valid as a form of music than other hip-hop simply because it's not materialistic?

Well, I've honestly considered Hip Hop separate from Rap. I guess it's one of those things where I've kinda convinced myself that it's not Rap so much that I've gotten it into my head that other people knew also.

But seeing how loose the lines are for Rap (rhythm and poetry), classical rock could be considered Rap.

 

[Gloomsta]

Okay, get this "Cold hard fact" nonsense out of the way. Describing what music I like and dislike will never resort to facts, seeing how it's an art form. Music is expression, and that's something that's impossible to prove. Hitting pans together and making fart noises could be considered music. Doesn't mean it is, especially for what this thread is asking.

When you say "All rap is materialistic" then you are stating a fact. A fact that is wrong.

Hitting pans and making fart noises in a rythm would qualify it as music, wether you like it or not.

You want to try that? "Prove" to me why Rap should be an art form.

Rap/Hip Hop has a message and expression just as other genres do, thats why it is art.

Rap/Hip Hop has rythm and melody(how would it appeal to millions as party music then?) Therefore Rap/Hip Hop is music

And no, it's a perfectly adequate reason. The majority of rap is talking to a beat. And usually it's just expanding on how great murder, violence, sexual discrimination, and gangs are such great things.

How would you know? As if youve listened to every hip hop ever when you cant even name groups.

I've heard all kinds of Hip Hop. Underground, old school (which I admit, has it's charms), the "anti-whatever". Even the ones with half decent messages are only considered music because of the beat that goes with it.

Can you name groups?

And it has more emphasis on image than any other music genre.

So what? Even if this baseless fact you state was true, then the image wouldnt detract from the music. You might aswell hate Pink Floyd for being the band with the most image and shiny effects at their concerts.

Lol? What is this, YouTube?

Lol

No, I dismiss it because it's a half-assed attempt to be called music. There's plenty of great Heavy Metal guitarist, drummers, and even bassist who are complete waste of talents when their vocalists are a majority. It's the same thing with screamo music.

Just because vocals ruin it for you doesnt mean its a half assed attempt to be music.

It sounds fucking terrible. But sure, in all technicalities, it's music. But I don't have to like it.

Exactly.

 

[Vicarious Reality]

I've noticed that there is a huge amount of lyrics in radio pop music covering the pityable supporting melody.

Here is a good example of a kind of music which comes from a region which has apparently has great resistance to such general themes.

 

[JoesshittyOs]

When you say "All rap is materialistic" then you are stating a fact. A fact that is wrong.

Hitting pans and making fart noises in a rythm would qualify it as music, wether you like it or not.

That's called a hyperbole. People do it everyday. Now that I said that, I never claimed that anything I said was a fact. You trying to do that yourself.

That's kind of why I'm half thinking about avoiding this, because you are trying to get me to back up my points with fact, which is next to impossible to do. In which case I ask you, why the fuck are you in this thread?

Rap/Hip Hop has a message and expression just as other genres do, thats why it is art.

Going off of this again, it's my opinion. And I find that the messages and expressions are generally idiotic. The occasional song that has a decent message is just that, a decent message. Doesn't mean that's a good song.

I don't find that acceptable music to listen to. As it says in the thread title

Rap/Hip Hop has rythm and melody(how would it appeal to millions as party music then?) Therefore Rap/Hip Hop is music

Yet again, read the thread title. I don't think party music counts as acceptable music. Also, once again, I consider Hip Hop and Rap two different forms of music

How would you know? As if youve listened to every hip hop ever when you cant even name groups.

Did I claim I've listened to every single rap song? No, I've listened to plenty of different groups of "Rap"

I've heard enough to form my own opinion of it. And in my opinion, it's very rare that a rap song can be a good song while qualifying as rap.

Can you name groups?

Groups as in Rap artist groups, or groups as in the different sub-genres? Rap artists groups, of course I can.

Sub-genres, I've named a few already. Unless there are even more minute groups, in which case I'm sure you are dying to tell me.

So what? Even if this baseless fact you state was true, then the image wouldnt detract from the music. You might aswell hate Pink Floyd for being the band with the most image and shiny effects at their concerts.

I don't think you understand what I mean by image. I'm going for the philosophical term. Rap nowadays talks about who you want to be, that generally referring to having money, power, and being a gangster. Generally it talks about being a shitty person.

The music is talking about the image. I think we've gone over this enough by now.

Just because vocals ruin it for you doesnt mean its a half assed attempt to be music.

Well, yeah. It's something almost anyone can do, really giving it no special merrit. Thus the half assed part. It sounds terrible, which means it's shitty music.

Exactly.

Honestly, I think this applies in your direction more so than it does mine.

Maybe think about what the point of this thread is before you respond.

 

[mikeybuthge]

For those that say rap is just rhythm, the beastie boys are rappers, they play instruments, therefore pushing past whatever barriers you thinly you can hold up, disprove the beastie boys.

 

[BarbaricGoose]

I don't think the classics are "Mainstream" by any means. I think mainstream nowadays is that god-awful (in my opinion) indie rock. And that's indie rock the genre, by the way. I got nothing against real rock music that just happens to be independent, but that whiny trash bothers me to no end. I realize I'm acting like the exact kind of person you're speaking out against, but I have to listen to this indie rock every single time I am unfortunate enough to miss the mute button on my remote when literally any commercial comes on.

However, despite my hatred for this genre, I respect your right to listen to and enjoy it. I don't think any of the established genres are somehow less deserving of being called music. It pisses me off when people say rap isn't music. Not because I like rap (I really don't,) but it's music all the same. Anyone who says that rap (or any other genre*) isn't music is an asshole.

*Except crunkcore. I... I hate anyone`who listen to that. Although, that's not really an "Established" genre. There's, what, 1 infamous band in that genre? Right?

 

[Gloomsta]

When you say "All rap is materialistic" then you are stating a fact. A fact that is wrong.

Hitting pans and making fart noises in a rythm would qualify it as music, wether you like it or not.

That's called a hyperbole. People do it everyday. Now that I said that, I never claimed that anything I said was a fact. You trying to do that yourself.

That's kind of why I'm half thinking about avoiding this, because you are trying to get me to back up my points with fact, which is next to impossible to do. In which case I ask you, why the fuck are you in this thread?

Rap/Hip Hop has a message and expression just as other genres do, thats why it is art.

Going off of this again, it's my opinion. And I find that the messages and expressions are generally idiotic. The occasional song that has a decent message is just that, a decent message. Doesn't mean that's a good song.

I don't find that acceptable music to listen to. As it says in the thread title

Rap/Hip Hop has rythm and melody(how would it appeal to millions as party music then?) Therefore Rap/Hip Hop is music

Yet again, read the thread title. I don't think party music counts as acceptable music. Also, once again, I consider Hip Hop and Rap two different forms of music

How would you know? As if youve listened to every hip hop ever when you cant even name groups.

Did I claim I've listened to every single rap song? No, I've listened to plenty of different groups of "Rap"

I've heard enough to form my own opinion of it. And in my opinion, it's very rare that a rap song can be a good song while qualifying as rap.

Can you name groups?

Groups as in Rap artist groups, or groups as in the different sub-genres? Rap artists groups, of course I can.

Sub-genres, I've named a few already. Unless there are even more minute groups, in which case I'm sure you are dying to tell me.

So what? Even if this baseless fact you state was true, then the image wouldnt detract from the music. You might aswell hate Pink Floyd for being the band with the most image and shiny effects at their concerts.

I don't think you understand what I mean by image. I'm going for the philosophical term. Rap nowadays talks about who you want to be, that generally referring to having money, power, and being a gangster. Generally it talks about being a shitty person.

The music is talking about the image. I think we've gone over this enough by now.

Just because vocals ruin it for you doesnt mean its a half assed attempt to be music.

Well, yeah. It's something almost anyone can do, really giving it no special merrit. Thus the half assed part. It sounds terrible, which means it's shitty music.

Exactly.

Honestly, I think this applies in your direction more so than it does mine.

Maybe think about what the point of this thread is before you respond.

Stating "I consider Rap not music" is not an opinion. Its a fact you are stating. Now if you say "I dont like rap", then thats an opinion.

Learn the diffrence between stating facts and opinions, objecitivity and subjectivity.

Now when you attempt to state objectively that rap and death metal isnt music, then you are being wrong.

Rap is music, and Death Metal is music, and it doesnt matter how much you hate them or love them, their music.

Deal with it.

 

[Richardplex]

Film (and game) soundtracks. Nobody I know makes fun of them. Mostly because I never bring it up, but...

Actually, here's an image that sums it up for me.

Spoiler: Parental advisory: explicit content

I also only listen to soundtracks, though anime and game OSTs for me. On this day I found that I am not alone *turns round as manly tears pour down his face*

OT: I've yet to hear someone complain about Classical. If they did, then I don't want to know them.

 

[Autumnflame]

As been stated.

There is no universally popular music.
some are very well received by many sectors of the public and are hailed as greats.

i know i like what i like. and dislike what i dont like.

but i dont make the mistake that many do of trying to force my opinion of good or bad on the world.

a good example. i can remember is something akin to the flame wars over beiber ect. being that OMG he is the best eva all other musics are terrible. while also complaining that why can people respect his music and they should be more open minded about other peoples choices.

which seems to be the general case in a persons desire to promote and protect their chosen ideal music they too commit the act of bias and ignorance against the very people they are defending against.

and such goes many arguments.

 

[Electric Alpaca]

The truth of it is; none.

People like others being in boxes for their own security - and music taste is one of the most viable to define someone.

Personally, I believe as long as you own your choice, regardless of it being Bieber or Rammstein you're doing fine.

I like Owl City, apparently this is frowned upon...

Hadn't heard of this, searched for it on YouTube and was pleasantly surprised. This is why I like threads like this.

Thanks

 

[Galletea]

I think people are always looking to put others into a category. It's just human nature, trying to better understand what is in front of them. I don't know if there is such a thing as universally accepted music, since not everyone is going to like the same things, someone will always be hatin'.
My own music tastes are somewhat eclectic, like yours. I love Bowie, Daft Punk, Bad Religion and Johnny Cash, as well as some soul, classical, metal, 80's pop and even some hip-hop and modern pop, though not so much of that. It doesn't matter what it is, someone is going to have a problem with it.

 

[FluxCapacitor]

Spoiler

When you say "All rap is materialistic" then you are stating a fact. A fact that is wrong.

Hitting pans and making fart noises in a rythm would qualify it as music, wether you like it or not.

That's called a hyperbole. People do it everyday. Now that I said that, I never claimed that anything I said was a fact. You trying to do that yourself.

That's kind of why I'm half thinking about avoiding this, because you are trying to get me to back up my points with fact, which is next to impossible to do. In which case I ask you, why the fuck are you in this thread?

Rap/Hip Hop has a message and expression just as other genres do, thats why it is art.

Going off of this again, it's my opinion. And I find that the messages and expressions are generally idiotic. The occasional song that has a decent message is just that, a decent message. Doesn't mean that's a good song.

I don't find that acceptable music to listen to. As it says in the thread title

Rap/Hip Hop has rythm and melody(how would it appeal to millions as party music then?) Therefore Rap/Hip Hop is music

Yet again, read the thread title. I don't think party music counts as acceptable music. Also, once again, I consider Hip Hop and Rap two different forms of music

How would you know? As if youve listened to every hip hop ever when you cant even name groups.

Did I claim I've listened to every single rap song? No, I've listened to plenty of different groups of "Rap"

I've heard enough to form my own opinion of it. And in my opinion, it's very rare that a rap song can be a good song while qualifying as rap.

Can you name groups?

Groups as in Rap artist groups, or groups as in the different sub-genres? Rap artists groups, of course I can.

Sub-genres, I've named a few already. Unless there are even more minute groups, in which case I'm sure you are dying to tell me.

So what? Even if this baseless fact you state was true, then the image wouldnt detract from the music. You might aswell hate Pink Floyd for being the band with the most image and shiny effects at their concerts.

I don't think you understand what I mean by image. I'm going for the philosophical term. Rap nowadays talks about who you want to be, that generally referring to having money, power, and being a gangster. Generally it talks about being a shitty person.

The music is talking about the image. I think we've gone over this enough by now.

Just because vocals ruin it for you doesnt mean its a half assed attempt to be music.

Well, yeah. It's something almost anyone can do, really giving it no special merrit. Thus the half assed part. It sounds terrible, which means it's shitty music.

Exactly.

Honestly, I think this applies in your direction more so than it does mine.

Maybe think about what the point of this thread is before you respond.

Stating "I consider Rap not music" is not an opinion. Its a fact you are stating. Now if you say "I dont like rap", then thats an opinion.

Learn the diffrence between stating facts and opinions, objecitivity and subjectivity.

Now when you attempt to state objectively that rap and death metal isnt music, then you are being wrong.

Rap is music, and Death Metal is music, and it doesnt matter how much you hate them or love them, their music.

Deal with it.

Quoting for truth - well said! This guy knew he was beaten when he was typing the words "I never claimed that anything I said was a fact". Stating that rap/hip-hop is objectively not music is WORLDS away from stating that it's music that he doesn't like, and he knows it. Neither he nor anyone else who's taken this position have provided an actual definition for what music is, because they can't formulate one that doesn't allow for the inclusion of hip-hop and rap. Usually they end up trying to define the human voice as not an instrument, and then realise how untenable that argument is (opera, barbershop, scat jazz, religious chanting, sooooo much more).

And to all those bemoaning the "Gangstaz and bitches" style of American hip-hop, I'd also recommend checking out some great Aussie rappers - stuff down here has a very upbeat, positive attitude and philosohphy, I'd recommend outfits like the Hilltop Hoods and Bliss n Eso to just about anyone.



There you go, if you can handle the accents it's well worth a look. And both clips are about the artists' commitment to a musical style which was underappreciated for YEARS down here, rather appropriately for this conversation.

Also this - the Waitress Song by Seth Sentry. Just a joyful little song about a girl, and a good example of how Aussie hip-hop skips the whole disrespecting women thing...



EDIT: Oh, yeah, the topic. Dude, like whatever you want, it's all acceptable to like. There is ALWAYS someone out there who dislikes whatever you're into, because no one has managed to make music that is universally inoffensive to all cultures and demographics. And try and accept the musical choices of others, and I bet they'll be more tolerant of yours. I was introduced to hip-hop by an old room-mate, and in return I got him into grunge and stadium rock...

 

[GideonB]

I like music that sounds good to me
I also hate people who tell me that Happy Hardcore is shit unless they are my dad
Because hes an old man and he is entitled to his whinging

Seriously though, I'm sick of being told the music I listen to is not good because it isn't some screamo pricks. I like metal, but I dislike screamo because if I can understand Korean better than guys screaming in my own language... Yeah theres an issue here :V

Honestly, if you like the music you are listening to, why even bother giving a shit about what other people listen to

BEST TUNE 4EVAR (I'm joking)

 

[AceTrilby]

Journey's Don't Stop Believing is probably the most well known and loved song I've ever heard of.
I think that everyone I've ever met acknowledges it as a great song.

 

[robert022614]

the Eagles song Hotel California. No one hates it.

 

[JoesshittyOs]

Stating "I consider Rap not music" is not an opinion. Its a fact you are stating. Now if you say "I dont like rap", then thats an opinion.

Actually, no, it's not.

Me saying I consider Rap not music technically is an opinion, because of the key use of the word "consider". That means that I've weighed the options and come to a conclusion on my own.

So yeah, you're wrong there.

Learn the diffrence between stating facts and opinions, objecitivity and subjectivity.

Now when you attempt to state objectively that rap and death metal isnt music, then you are being wrong.

Well, I never did that.

So I think I'm gonna use a word here that you like and I'm gonna go ahead and say "deal with me not liking the music"

Rap is music, and Death Metal is music, and it doesnt matter how much you hate them or love them, their music.

Deal with it.

I have. But it is just so painfully clear that you haven't.

The title of the thread here is called "Music that it's acceptable to like". I've repeated this to you many times, but it's obvious that it hasn't quite gotten through yet.

I've never not once claimed they aren't music. I've said many times that it's not acceptable music to like. As in it's shitty music.

So once again, deal with it.

And as for your response to me on the other thread, I am well aware. If you would have read on further, you would have seen that I said Hip Hop and Rap should be separated from each other.

I never said they were different from one another, I had just stated I wished people would recognize that there is a rift between the two, and clarify them as two separate genres.

Now before you respond again, please put the time into your posts making logical sense, because it;s becoming very hard for me not to call you a few condescending terms right now,