Am I the only one in this thread that finds the main annoyance of the article that the developer has the capability of pulling maps that have already been released? That would be like Bethesda putting out a patch that removes Whiterun from Skyrim.
Muslim Complaints Get Modern Warfare 2 Map Pulled
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If I played favella and they had a 100ft statue of their prophet then I could understand - kind of. This is a picture frame with a nice quote about your "lord". I could make a real point about this but don't like the idea of being banned.
This is ridiculous, how is this more offensive than massacaring an entire airport full of unarmed civilians?
If you don't like it, don't play it.
This is ridiculous, how is this more offensive than massacaring an entire airport full of unarmed civilians?
If you don't like it, don't play it.
They are patching it? I would have thought Activsion would be selling it again in the next map pack
Well then, let me ask you guys, can you imagine a game (that isn't a horror one) using Christian imagery in a way offensive to Christians? Middle America would be up in arms and the game would be changed despite a vast portion of the world not being Christians, or at least not massively conservative ones. The game would get changed.
I agree pulling the map instead of issuing a texture fix within a short time is a little extreme, but the guy in the video seemed amiable enough about it, simply saying "this is offensive to a lot of people, please fix it." I fail to see the issue and support the guys consumer rights to an apology and his choice if not fixed to boycott the products in the future series.
Infact; How is this different than say:
"Dear Platinum Games,
As PS3/Xbox owners, we find your choice to release Bayonetta 2 on one of the projects primary founders console exclusively, offensive. We hope you recognise this and fix it as soon as possible or we will boycott your games"
Not much difference at all wouldn't you say?
I agree pulling the map instead of issuing a texture fix within a short time is a little extreme, but the guy in the video seemed amiable enough about it, simply saying "this is offensive to a lot of people, please fix it." I fail to see the issue and support the guys consumer rights to an apology and his choice if not fixed to boycott the products in the future series.
Infact; How is this different than say:
"Dear Platinum Games,
As PS3/Xbox owners, we find your choice to release Bayonetta 2 on one of the projects primary founders console exclusively, offensive. We hope you recognise this and fix it as soon as possible or we will boycott your games"
Not much difference at all wouldn't you say?
The Activision rep said: "we have removed the Favela multiplayer map from online rotation". That could mean it is still in your game, you just won't encounter it in matchmaking until the issue is resolved. I'm not sure.Scars Unseen said:
Eh, you know, it really pains me to agree with the ultra-conservative, gun-toting, AMURKA LUV IT ER LEEV IT nutjobs... but I kind of have to agree with them on this one. I certainly don't condone deliberately trying to offend people, but you also can't live your whole life trying to avoid offending anyone. Somewhere in the world, someone will be offended by virtually anything.
Case and point: after the release of The Lion King, there was actually outcry from a small group of hyena biologists over the "defamation of hyenas." So what, are you going to remove hyenas from The Lion King? Of course this doesn't really compare, as removing this one thing doesn't affect the game in any way, but the principle is the same. You should try to be sensitive of other people, yes, but at some point you have to draw a line and acknowledge that you can't avoid offending everyone.
Besides, if someone really gets offended over a bit of virtual bathroom graffiti, they've got bigger mental issues to sort out.
Case and point: after the release of The Lion King, there was actually outcry from a small group of hyena biologists over the "defamation of hyenas." So what, are you going to remove hyenas from The Lion King? Of course this doesn't really compare, as removing this one thing doesn't affect the game in any way, but the principle is the same. You should try to be sensitive of other people, yes, but at some point you have to draw a line and acknowledge that you can't avoid offending everyone.
Besides, if someone really gets offended over a bit of virtual bathroom graffiti, they've got bigger mental issues to sort out.
People get offended that a quote about Allah is in the bathroom. Ask nicely to remove the quote from the map.
Acitivision decides to remove the map until the fix that part.
The internet goes mad.
And people say Muslims are bad. Just look at this thread and the youtube page. You ask your self why religious people get offended when you write all the shit about their God?
Also, Islam getting a special treatment? And Christianity not? Last time I checked, gay marriage didn't get legalized in a lot of Christian countries because of Christians. Last time I checked, the church didn't have to pay any taxes.
Every religion is getting special treatment. Not just Islam.
Acitivision decides to remove the map until the fix that part.
The internet goes mad.
And people say Muslims are bad. Just look at this thread and the youtube page. You ask your self why religious people get offended when you write all the shit about their God?
Also, Islam getting a special treatment? And Christianity not? Last time I checked, gay marriage didn't get legalized in a lot of Christian countries because of Christians. Last time I checked, the church didn't have to pay any taxes.
Every religion is getting special treatment. Not just Islam.
Not quite. There was a recent court case where a British Airways stewardess was suspended for refusing to remove a crucifix necklace at work, and you may remember the Church getting all wound up over the Manchester Cathedral level in Resistance, to pick just the first two examples of exactly nobody going out of their way not to offend someone else's religious sensibilities.Kaymish said:
If, on the other hand, your religion has a collective "go to" reaction of killing people and burning down their shit at the slightest provocation....
'Religious rights' does not the include the right to not be offended.
People get offended all the time. Deal with it like an adult instead of whining about it, especially if it's trivial bullshit like this, that's not only petty, but also affects other people that just want to play the game.
People get offended all the time. Deal with it like an adult instead of whining about it, especially if it's trivial bullshit like this, that's not only petty, but also affects other people that just want to play the game.
Guess what Islam. You don't have the right not NOT be offended. Get over your silly superstitious beliefs then we'll talk about whether or not something is appropriate.
Lemme preface this by saying I don't care about Call of Duty.
But this is just sad.
I'm disappointed not only that religious people are so sensitive and insecure about their religion, but that so many people yield to the demands of these pathetic whinings.
But this is just sad.
I'm disappointed not only that religious people are so sensitive and insecure about their religion, but that so many people yield to the demands of these pathetic whinings.
I think considering all that's going on in the middle east, and especially with all the riots that have occurred lately, people are trying to keep well away from offending Muslims. As you said, you don't see this with any other religion. That Hitman trailer had those sexy, murderous nuns, but the only people who were complained about it were gamers, not Catholics. The Binding of Isaac retold the story of Isaac and Abraham but replaced Abraham with a mad woman, and had Isaac running through his basement to escape which appeared to be a pseudo-representation of hell. And there are upside-down crosses and misused/abused/parodied imagery and symbolism scattered throughout other games like Dante's Inferno.Insomniac55 said:
Christian symbolism, lore, and organizations get misused way more than Islam, and much more maliciously. The only thing I think we do worse with Islam is that for a while now, the only time you ever see a Muslim in games is if they are a terrorist you've got to shoot down. At least with Christianity we've gotten awesome characters like Father Grigori in HL2.
So it seems Christians have gotten to the point where we couldn't care less what people do with our imagery (or we don't care if they do complain), but Muslims do care to the point where they want to intervene. The article said they changed it because they saw the video, and the person who wrote the video had this in the description: "Hello, i never asked IW to take the map down, we only asked them to remove the picture and i think its our right, and any religion's right.."
Well, no. It's not your right, or any religion's right. Your rights stop where the rights of others begin. I may not like how Christian organizations are almost always used in games as a hotbed for corruption and illicit activities, but it's all just words. Sticks and stones may break my bones, and all that. I understand the teachings of Islam are different from Christianity, and that there is much more emphasis and importance placed on using symbolism properly. But something has to happen within Islamic organizations, I think, because we are global now and like it or not you are going to come across people who--either accidentally or maliciously--want to misuse and parody your imagery and stories. And if free speech is going to work, you can't expect them to stop just because you find it offensive.
But, as I just pointed out, not when it comes to pulling punches whenever somebody makes something that is "offensive."BiH-Kira said:
I respectfully disagree with your generalisation of "religious people". I'm Christian, and if I complained about disrespectful treatment of my religion in some game, no-one would care. Now I'm not complaining; that's a very good thing. Artistic integrity shouldn't be compromised to avoid offence. I'm just saying it's not all religions which receive this special treatment; it's primarily Islam.Kaymish said:
I think what most people are upset about is that this is one in a list of occasions where muslims appear to have been given special treatment, in fear of someone literally being hurt.Shadow-Phoenix said:
Not only that, but the ridiculous reasons for removing the content. Being offended by a quotation that potentially promotes Muhammad. A soundtrack being removed from a game simply because of a few words from the Koran?
This is a very small piece of a much larger picture.
so, a guy claims he represents all muslim gamers and their actions will be ones he chooses (boycotting the company), and activision... listens?!
what the fuck. how about they just grow the fuck up. i'm not even hating on religion here, this is just fucking pathetic. stop being super butthurt about everything and carry on playing the game. besides, this game has been out for fucking years, and you only just noticed?
what the fuck. how about they just grow the fuck up. i'm not even hating on religion here, this is just fucking pathetic. stop being super butthurt about everything and carry on playing the game. besides, this game has been out for fucking years, and you only just noticed?
You know, I imagine that the quote wasn't even intended. I bet is was just some texture/level artist who looked at it and thought, 'oh, that'd make a nice frame for a picture.' They probably didn't even realise it was Arabic.