MW3 Minor Spoiler, (A Death scene)

[cdstephens]

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Er, they never directly explained that Shepard and Makarov were working directly together, since Shepard in the last level after all was trying to *kill* Makarov. It seems more likely that Shepard leaked the information that Allen was a spy rather than he worked with Makarov.

Shepard working with Makarov is the explanation to why he kills Roach and the rest of TF141. The download all the information off Makarov's computer, and Shepard has them killed so he is not implicated in their deal. He's trying to kill Makarov at the end because Makarov has outlived his usefulness. The war has started, Shepard has his blank check and public support. All that is left is tying up loose ends. There is also a quote, early on before No Russian.

"Makarov is no prize. He's a whore. A mad-dog killer for the highest bidder".

Ah yes, I forgot about that. The plot was rather convoluted to me, as most plot twists seemed to be just simply there. *Shepard attacks* "Alrighty then, I guess I'll shoot his soldiers as well as Russians now."

Also, I love leather jackets.

 

[dyre]

I was expecting to get the same "wow, a stupid gimmick to create controversy / increase sales from CoD" feeling I got when I played No Russian, but this child death scene doesn't seem forced in or anything. Terrorist attacks affect children too. The devs didn't prolong the scene to make it extra nasty or anything...a chemical weapon went off. People died, including a child. That's it.

 

[Jegsimmons]

yes but i doubt call of duty is about the horrors of war like people claim. Many other games do a hell of a better job without having a gimmick like a girl dying.
and lets be honest, COD is about as deep as the characters personalities...

But that is what its about. I mean, you have your biases and I respect that. But its pretty clear what its trying to invoke. That, and "Wow, we have a lot of cool weapons".

and i respect your opinion on liking the game too.

But i feel that they have failed on both ends, besides the fact it's not remotely as emotional as cod finest hour or big red one which had great side characters and a very nice story, simple, but nice. The current ones are michael bay films which top them selves every game to the point of being really stupid and necessary.

and on the weapons side....yeah they dont get those right either. (exaples: silencers dont work like that, 50 cals cant be fired from the shoulder, the Ak-74u is an ASSUALT RIFLE not an smg, and the Desert eagle isn't used by any police or military force for being inconvenient, and they CONSTANTLY mess up between an m4a1 and an m4 carbine. also the fact a mounted 50 kills in one shot but a Barrett takes at least two always bothers me. at least be like Battlefield and have weapon consistency.)

 

[Unhappy Crow]

So the child dies of an explosion. At least you don't get to see the body. That would cause major controversy, but this right here, it's not a big deal (to me, that is). But who am I kidding? Parents will find anything that doesn't look right in any fictional entertainment media and take it up to the complaint department.

 

[SovietX]

That's infinity ward. Trying to cause controversy for more advertising.

 

[joeman098]

my prediction Fox news will be all up in arms

most people wont really care

parents groups will go ape shit and completely ignore examples of this in tv and film for example i just watched an episode of the walking dead and there was a bloody baby seat in a car obviously a baby was killed there but thats ok cause its tv

 

[axeman157]

That was kinda cheesy and hamfistedly done.

 

[Ordinaryundone]

and i respect your opinion on liking the game too.

But i feel that they have failed on both ends, besides the fact it's not remotely as emotional as cod finest hour or big red one which had great side characters and a very nice story, simple, but nice. The current ones are michael bay films which top them selves every game to the point of being really stupid and necessary.

and on the weapons side....yeah they dont get those right either. (exaples: silencers dont work like that, 50 cals cant be fired from the shoulder, the Ak-74u is an ASSUALT RIFLE not an smg, and the Desert eagle isn't used by any police or military force for being inconvenient, and they CONSTANTLY mess up between an m4a1 and an m4 carbine. also the fact a mounted 50 kills in one shot but a Barrett takes at least two always bothers me. at least be like Battlefield and have weapon consistency.)

Well, a lot of that has to be chalked up to weapon balance. And if you mean the Barrett sniper, it can kill in 1 shot. Just aim for the upper torso. Yes, in real life that would blow a man in half, but again. Balance.

As for inconsistencies, I don't think its as bad as you think. The AK-74U actually IS considered a submachine gun, or rather, a bridge between the two. Its a lot lighter and more compact than the vanilla AK-74, and has a decreased effective range as a result. Considering it was made for rear-echelon deployment, as well as for paratroopers and armored vehicle crews, it definitely fits the traditional description of a submachine gun. And isn't the only difference between the M4A1 and the M4 carbine that the former is fully automatic while the latter is not? The M4 Carbine has never actually been in Call of Duty, its always been the M4A1.

As for the Deagle, well. People like Deagles.

 

[Char-Nobyl]

A discretion shot that implies a child being killed in a roadside bombing?

Gasp. How shocking...not. I'm sure that other people have cited the Dead Island trailer by now, because that was a trailer that received critical acclaim for showing the slow-motion, reverse death of an almost equally young girl and her parents.

So no. This isn't deplorable, or worthy of outrage. If anything, it's a sign that Infinity Ward has learned a lot since they saw how 'No Russian' was received, and they're applying it.

 

[Ham_authority95]

I came across this very randomly, http://www.allgamesbeta.com/2011/11/modern-warfare-3-child-death-outrage.html or http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dZhRNAeE9rk

Please take a minute to judge the video. You watched it ? Good, Okay as we can clearly see in what appears to be MW3 a child is killed by a bomb blast. Will this cause unnecessary controversy ? and what are your opinions ?

My opinion: I honestly don't have a problem with it, it's sad and a little disturbing but really I don't see it crossing any limits, the player is not actually interacting in anyway it's really just a cut scene and their have been far worse things in games then this so I'll happily let it pass.

You f*****g idiot! They put stuff like this in the game to surprise you and shock you. But guess what? It won't be shocking at all since since you spoiled the game for hundreds of people just from your thread title.

I hope you're happy. My and others gaming experience has suffered because of you. At least wait until the game is released to post about it, but NEVER put it in the thread title! PERIOD.

 

[irrelevantnugget]

I came across this very randomly, http://www.allgamesbeta.com/2011/11/modern-warfare-3-child-death-outrage.html or http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dZhRNAeE9rk

Please take a minute to judge the video. You watched it ? Good, Okay as we can clearly see in what appears to be MW3 a child is killed by a bomb blast. Will this cause unnecessary controversy ? and what are your opinions ?

My opinion: I honestly don't have a problem with it, it's sad and a little disturbing but really I don't see it crossing any limits, the player is not actually interacting in anyway it's really just a cut scene and their have been far worse things in games then this so I'll happily let it pass.

Brothers in Arms Hell's Highway had a child death before. And the kid wasn't portrayed stereotypically like that, he actually got some exposition before that plus you you need to protect him during a sniping segment...

... this MW3 scene just feels kinda lame.

 

[godofallu]

Thanks for posting a major spoiler in a thread title.

Seriously, think before you post.

 

[cdstephens]

I came across this very randomly, http://www.allgamesbeta.com/2011/11/modern-warfare-3-child-death-outrage.html or http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dZhRNAeE9rk

Please take a minute to judge the video. You watched it ? Good, Okay as we can clearly see in what appears to be MW3 a child is killed by a bomb blast. Will this cause unnecessary controversy ? and what are your opinions ?

My opinion: I honestly don't have a problem with it, it's sad and a little disturbing but really I don't see it crossing any limits, the player is not actually interacting in anyway it's really just a cut scene and their have been far worse things in games then this so I'll happily let it pass.

You f*****g idiot! They put stuff like this in the game to surprise you and shock you. But guess what? It won't be shocking at all since since you spoiled the game for hundreds of people just from your thread title.

I hope you're happy. My and others gaming experience has suffered because of you.

So you *enjoy* being shocked my the tragic deaths of innocent civilians in gruesome manners?

 

[SirLOLWTFBBQ]

Thanks for posting a major spoiler in a thread title.

Seriously, think before you post.

I'm sure you'll have serious trouble playing the game knowing that a child died in a cut-scene.

Seriously, learn what a spoiler is.

 

[Ham_authority95]

I came across this very randomly, http://www.allgamesbeta.com/2011/11/modern-warfare-3-child-death-outrage.html or http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dZhRNAeE9rk

Please take a minute to judge the video. You watched it ? Good, Okay as we can clearly see in what appears to be MW3 a child is killed by a bomb blast. Will this cause unnecessary controversy ? and what are your opinions ?

My opinion: I honestly don't have a problem with it, it's sad and a little disturbing but really I don't see it crossing any limits, the player is not actually interacting in anyway it's really just a cut scene and their have been far worse things in games then this so I'll happily let it pass.

You f*****g idiot! They put stuff like this in the game to surprise you and shock you. But guess what? It won't be shocking at all since since you spoiled the game for hundreds of people just from your thread title.

I hope you're happy. My and others gaming experience has suffered because of you.

So you *enjoy* being shocked my the tragic deaths of innocent civilians in gruesome manners?

Ask a horror movie fan that question and you'll have your answer.

 

[Jegsimmons]

and i respect your opinion on liking the game too.

But i feel that they have failed on both ends, besides the fact it's not remotely as emotional as cod finest hour or big red one which had great side characters and a very nice story, simple, but nice. The current ones are michael bay films which top them selves every game to the point of being really stupid and necessary.

and on the weapons side....yeah they dont get those right either. (exaples: silencers dont work like that, 50 cals cant be fired from the shoulder, the Ak-74u is an ASSUALT RIFLE not an smg, and the Desert eagle isn't used by any police or military force for being inconvenient, and they CONSTANTLY mess up between an m4a1 and an m4 carbine. also the fact a mounted 50 kills in one shot but a Barrett takes at least two always bothers me. at least be like Battlefield and have weapon consistency.)

Well, a lot of that has to be chalked up to weapon balance. And if you mean the Barrett sniper, it can kill in 1 shot. Just aim for the upper torso. Yes, in real life that would blow a man in half, but again. Balance.

As for inconsistencies, I don't think its as bad as you think. The AK-74U actually IS considered a submachine gun, or rather, a bridge between the two. Its a lot lighter and more compact than the vanilla AK-74, and has a decreased effective range as a result. Considering it was made for rear-echelon deployment, as well as for paratroopers and armored vehicle crews, it definitely fits the traditional description of a submachine gun. And isn't the only difference between the M4A1 and the M4 carbine that the former is fully automatic while the latter is not? The M4 Carbine has never actually been in Call of Duty, its always been the M4A1.

As for the Deagle, well. People like Deagles.

i can understand balance, but then again, it can be fired like a damn machine gun from the shoulder.
and no military considers an ak-74u a submachine gun or a bridge between them. submachine guns use hand gun ammo while the ak-74u uses 5.56mm (m16 ammo) and has really good range. and while it has advantages of a sub machine gun, it is not one. after all the m1a1 was used as a paratrooper weapon but it shoots a 30.cal makeing it a pretty powerful rifle. they are not interchangeable. and as for the m4 carbine, see COD4 (it's misnamed) and both can be fully auto or single fire, in fact, ALL modern assault rifles have that ability, even m16s.

and as for deagles, for one the term "deagle" hurts my brain, as a gun nut it hurts when people mis-name them. like useing "shotty" for normal shot guns (also the range on the shotguns are pitiful, shotguns can fire and hit enemies beyond 10, in fact slugs kill up to half a mile and buck shots generally hit deer hard enough at 100 feet to kill)

call me picky, but as much money as this war game gets, they can research a little.

also update the damn gun sounds, they sound pathetic.

 

[Jegsimmons]

I came across this very randomly, http://www.allgamesbeta.com/2011/11/modern-warfare-3-child-death-outrage.html or http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dZhRNAeE9rk

Please take a minute to judge the video. You watched it ? Good, Okay as we can clearly see in what appears to be MW3 a child is killed by a bomb blast. Will this cause unnecessary controversy ? and what are your opinions ?

My opinion: I honestly don't have a problem with it, it's sad and a little disturbing but really I don't see it crossing any limits, the player is not actually interacting in anyway it's really just a cut scene and their have been far worse things in games then this so I'll happily let it pass.

You f*****g idiot! They put stuff like this in the game to surprise you and shock you. But guess what? It won't be shocking at all since since you spoiled the game for hundreds of people just from your thread title.

I hope you're happy. My and others gaming experience has suffered because of you.

So you *enjoy* being shocked my the tragic deaths of innocent civilians in gruesome manners?

Ask a horror movie fan that question and you'll have your answer.

um, not to burst ya'lls bubbles, but this isn't really shocking, we knew what was going to happen with or without the title.

 

[Ham_authority95]

I came across this very randomly, http://www.allgamesbeta.com/2011/11/modern-warfare-3-child-death-outrage.html or http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dZhRNAeE9rk

Please take a minute to judge the video. You watched it ? Good, Okay as we can clearly see in what appears to be MW3 a child is killed by a bomb blast. Will this cause unnecessary controversy ? and what are your opinions ?

My opinion: I honestly don't have a problem with it, it's sad and a little disturbing but really I don't see it crossing any limits, the player is not actually interacting in anyway it's really just a cut scene and their have been far worse things in games then this so I'll happily let it pass.

You f*****g idiot! They put stuff like this in the game to surprise you and shock you. But guess what? It won't be shocking at all since since you spoiled the game for hundreds of people just from your thread title.

I hope you're happy. My and others gaming experience has suffered because of you.

So you *enjoy* being shocked my the tragic deaths of innocent civilians in gruesome manners?

Ask a horror movie fan that question and you'll have your answer.

um, not to burst ya'lls bubbles, but this isn't really shocking, we knew what was going to happen with or without the title.

No we didn't. I sure as hell didn't.

We only kind of expected the developers to put in something like this, but we didn't know what exactly.

 

[Squirrel1328]

Okay, my first assumption was that the video would be of a child getting shot, i will admit, even though I would not be offended myself, I can see why some people would take offence to THAT kind of video, but this was an explosion, childeren get killed in explosions, I don't see why people are getting outraged, do they assume that childeren don't get killed in Explosions?


Plus.......... IT'S A FUCKING GAME!!!! IT'S NOT REAL!!!! THEREFORE THAT CHILD AND THEIR NON-VISIBLE DEATH ISN'T REAL EITHER

okay, done now :3