MW3 Minor Spoiler, (A Death scene)

[Jegsimmons]

In CoD, by this point, there is no real reason to have it, it doesn't drive that War Sucks thing home, ask any of its playerbase now, especially frat boys, if war was like this game, WOULD YOU go into war?

In one, the motto, war sucks, and your only a pawn in it. Was the biggest message I got out of the FPS thing in a while. You could only do so much, you tried to run from the blast, you tried to stop your enemies, but you are only a man doing hard work. THAT was large because no one really knew what was going to happen and no one thought that it would be that... Surprising. This isn't, sure its unsettling, but it doesn't bring home that feel.

Just because you are desensitized to it doesn't mean the message isn't still there. Its pretty clear: War causes casualties, even civilian ones, and even children aren't safe from it. Its one thing to say it, its another to watch a happy family get blown up by a car bomb. The campaigns in all of the MW games have that message. One side may be victorious, but no one really wins. And the real good guys, the soldiers who are just doing their jobs trying to make things better and the civilians caught in the middle, nearly always lose. The nuke, No Russian, and now this.

What the "frat boys" think isn't important. After all, the multiplayer doesn't exactly carry the same message (or, really, any message for that matter.) If the story really wants to keep delivering the same message, it needs to keep pushing the envelope like this. And anyway, this is the grand finale. I should hope it has more than a few bangs.

yes but i doubt call of duty is about the horrors of war like people claim. Many other games do a hell of a better job without having a gimmick like a girl dying.
and lets be honest, COD is about as deep as the characters personalities...

 

[Ordinaryundone]

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Er, they never directly explained that Shepard and Makarov were working directly together, since Shepard in the last level after all was trying to *kill* Makarov. It seems more likely that Shepard leaked the information that Allen was a spy rather than he worked with Makarov.

Shepard working with Makarov is the explanation to why he kills Roach and the rest of TF141. The download all the information off Makarov's computer, and Shepard has them killed so he is not implicated in their deal. He's trying to kill Makarov at the end because Makarov has outlived his usefulness. The war has started, Shepard has his blank check and public support. All that is left is tying up loose ends. There is also a quote, early on before No Russian.

"Makarov is no prize. He's a whore. A mad-dog killer for the highest bidder".

 

[Ordinaryundone]

yes but i doubt call of duty is about the horrors of war like people claim. Many other games do a hell of a better job without having a gimmick like a girl dying.
and lets be honest, COD is about as deep as the characters personalities...

But that is what its about. I mean, you have your biases and I respect that. But its pretty clear what its trying to invoke. That, and "Wow, we have a lot of cool weapons".

 

[luckshotpro]

people seriously shouldn't make a big deal out of this. Shit, I killed how many unbatised sythe-armed babies playing Dante's Inferno?

 

[RN7]

At least she saved the birds.

In all seriousness, this does serve an artistic and literary purpose for the game as it illustrates the harsh nature of war by exploiting a normal person's reaction to a child being hurt. Kudos. Still doesn't make the rehash of the past...what? Five games? Worth the money.

 

[cdstephens]

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Er, they never directly explained that Shepard and Makarov were working directly together, since Shepard in the last level after all was trying to *kill* Makarov. It seems more likely that Shepard leaked the information that Allen was a spy rather than he worked with Makarov.

Shepard working with Makarov is the explanation to why he kills Roach and the rest of TF141. The download all the information off Makarov's computer, and Shepard has them killed so he is not implicated in their deal. He's trying to kill Makarov at the end because Makarov has outlived his usefulness. The war has started, Shepard has his blank check and public support. All that is left is tying up loose ends. There is also a quote, early on before No Russian.

"Makarov is no prize. He's a whore. A mad-dog killer for the highest bidder".

Ah yes, I forgot about that. The plot was rather convoluted to me, as most plot twists seemed to be just simply there. *Shepard attacks* "Alrighty then, I guess I'll shoot his soldiers as well as Russians now."

Also, I love leather jackets.

 

[dyre]

I was expecting to get the same "wow, a stupid gimmick to create controversy / increase sales from CoD" feeling I got when I played No Russian, but this child death scene doesn't seem forced in or anything. Terrorist attacks affect children too. The devs didn't prolong the scene to make it extra nasty or anything...a chemical weapon went off. People died, including a child. That's it.

 

[Jegsimmons]

yes but i doubt call of duty is about the horrors of war like people claim. Many other games do a hell of a better job without having a gimmick like a girl dying.
and lets be honest, COD is about as deep as the characters personalities...

But that is what its about. I mean, you have your biases and I respect that. But its pretty clear what its trying to invoke. That, and "Wow, we have a lot of cool weapons".

and i respect your opinion on liking the game too.

But i feel that they have failed on both ends, besides the fact it's not remotely as emotional as cod finest hour or big red one which had great side characters and a very nice story, simple, but nice. The current ones are michael bay films which top them selves every game to the point of being really stupid and necessary.

and on the weapons side....yeah they dont get those right either. (exaples: silencers dont work like that, 50 cals cant be fired from the shoulder, the Ak-74u is an ASSUALT RIFLE not an smg, and the Desert eagle isn't used by any police or military force for being inconvenient, and they CONSTANTLY mess up between an m4a1 and an m4 carbine. also the fact a mounted 50 kills in one shot but a Barrett takes at least two always bothers me. at least be like Battlefield and have weapon consistency.)

 

[Unhappy Crow]

So the child dies of an explosion. At least you don't get to see the body. That would cause major controversy, but this right here, it's not a big deal (to me, that is). But who am I kidding? Parents will find anything that doesn't look right in any fictional entertainment media and take it up to the complaint department.

 

[SovietX]

That's infinity ward. Trying to cause controversy for more advertising.

 

[joeman098]

my prediction Fox news will be all up in arms

most people wont really care

parents groups will go ape shit and completely ignore examples of this in tv and film for example i just watched an episode of the walking dead and there was a bloody baby seat in a car obviously a baby was killed there but thats ok cause its tv

 

[axeman157]

That was kinda cheesy and hamfistedly done.

 

[Ordinaryundone]

and i respect your opinion on liking the game too.

But i feel that they have failed on both ends, besides the fact it's not remotely as emotional as cod finest hour or big red one which had great side characters and a very nice story, simple, but nice. The current ones are michael bay films which top them selves every game to the point of being really stupid and necessary.

and on the weapons side....yeah they dont get those right either. (exaples: silencers dont work like that, 50 cals cant be fired from the shoulder, the Ak-74u is an ASSUALT RIFLE not an smg, and the Desert eagle isn't used by any police or military force for being inconvenient, and they CONSTANTLY mess up between an m4a1 and an m4 carbine. also the fact a mounted 50 kills in one shot but a Barrett takes at least two always bothers me. at least be like Battlefield and have weapon consistency.)

Well, a lot of that has to be chalked up to weapon balance. And if you mean the Barrett sniper, it can kill in 1 shot. Just aim for the upper torso. Yes, in real life that would blow a man in half, but again. Balance.

As for inconsistencies, I don't think its as bad as you think. The AK-74U actually IS considered a submachine gun, or rather, a bridge between the two. Its a lot lighter and more compact than the vanilla AK-74, and has a decreased effective range as a result. Considering it was made for rear-echelon deployment, as well as for paratroopers and armored vehicle crews, it definitely fits the traditional description of a submachine gun. And isn't the only difference between the M4A1 and the M4 carbine that the former is fully automatic while the latter is not? The M4 Carbine has never actually been in Call of Duty, its always been the M4A1.

As for the Deagle, well. People like Deagles.

 

[Char-Nobyl]

A discretion shot that implies a child being killed in a roadside bombing?

Gasp. How shocking...not. I'm sure that other people have cited the Dead Island trailer by now, because that was a trailer that received critical acclaim for showing the slow-motion, reverse death of an almost equally young girl and her parents.

So no. This isn't deplorable, or worthy of outrage. If anything, it's a sign that Infinity Ward has learned a lot since they saw how 'No Russian' was received, and they're applying it.

 

[Ham_authority95]

I came across this very randomly, http://www.allgamesbeta.com/2011/11/modern-warfare-3-child-death-outrage.html or http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dZhRNAeE9rk

Please take a minute to judge the video. You watched it ? Good, Okay as we can clearly see in what appears to be MW3 a child is killed by a bomb blast. Will this cause unnecessary controversy ? and what are your opinions ?

My opinion: I honestly don't have a problem with it, it's sad and a little disturbing but really I don't see it crossing any limits, the player is not actually interacting in anyway it's really just a cut scene and their have been far worse things in games then this so I'll happily let it pass.

You f*****g idiot! They put stuff like this in the game to surprise you and shock you. But guess what? It won't be shocking at all since since you spoiled the game for hundreds of people just from your thread title.

I hope you're happy. My and others gaming experience has suffered because of you. At least wait until the game is released to post about it, but NEVER put it in the thread title! PERIOD.

 

[irrelevantnugget]

I came across this very randomly, http://www.allgamesbeta.com/2011/11/modern-warfare-3-child-death-outrage.html or http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dZhRNAeE9rk

Please take a minute to judge the video. You watched it ? Good, Okay as we can clearly see in what appears to be MW3 a child is killed by a bomb blast. Will this cause unnecessary controversy ? and what are your opinions ?

My opinion: I honestly don't have a problem with it, it's sad and a little disturbing but really I don't see it crossing any limits, the player is not actually interacting in anyway it's really just a cut scene and their have been far worse things in games then this so I'll happily let it pass.

Brothers in Arms Hell's Highway had a child death before. And the kid wasn't portrayed stereotypically like that, he actually got some exposition before that plus you you need to protect him during a sniping segment...

... this MW3 scene just feels kinda lame.

 

[godofallu]

Thanks for posting a major spoiler in a thread title.

Seriously, think before you post.

 

[cdstephens]

I came across this very randomly, http://www.allgamesbeta.com/2011/11/modern-warfare-3-child-death-outrage.html or http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dZhRNAeE9rk

Please take a minute to judge the video. You watched it ? Good, Okay as we can clearly see in what appears to be MW3 a child is killed by a bomb blast. Will this cause unnecessary controversy ? and what are your opinions ?

My opinion: I honestly don't have a problem with it, it's sad and a little disturbing but really I don't see it crossing any limits, the player is not actually interacting in anyway it's really just a cut scene and their have been far worse things in games then this so I'll happily let it pass.

You f*****g idiot! They put stuff like this in the game to surprise you and shock you. But guess what? It won't be shocking at all since since you spoiled the game for hundreds of people just from your thread title.

I hope you're happy. My and others gaming experience has suffered because of you.

So you *enjoy* being shocked my the tragic deaths of innocent civilians in gruesome manners?

 

[SirLOLWTFBBQ]

Thanks for posting a major spoiler in a thread title.

Seriously, think before you post.

I'm sure you'll have serious trouble playing the game knowing that a child died in a cut-scene.

Seriously, learn what a spoiler is.

 

[Ham_authority95]

I came across this very randomly, http://www.allgamesbeta.com/2011/11/modern-warfare-3-child-death-outrage.html or http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dZhRNAeE9rk

Please take a minute to judge the video. You watched it ? Good, Okay as we can clearly see in what appears to be MW3 a child is killed by a bomb blast. Will this cause unnecessary controversy ? and what are your opinions ?

My opinion: I honestly don't have a problem with it, it's sad and a little disturbing but really I don't see it crossing any limits, the player is not actually interacting in anyway it's really just a cut scene and their have been far worse things in games then this so I'll happily let it pass.

You f*****g idiot! They put stuff like this in the game to surprise you and shock you. But guess what? It won't be shocking at all since since you spoiled the game for hundreds of people just from your thread title.

I hope you're happy. My and others gaming experience has suffered because of you.

So you *enjoy* being shocked my the tragic deaths of innocent civilians in gruesome manners?

Ask a horror movie fan that question and you'll have your answer.