MW3 no different than MW2....(some MW3 gameplay)

[INF1NIT3 D00M]

Don't fix what isn't broken. For the most part MW2 wasn't broken, sure the map design was poor and there were some balancing issues, but they were easy to get past if you stopped whining and applied yourself.

I did my share of bitching about MW2, but if you take a step back it wasn't a bad game, it just wasn't as good as anyone claimed it was.

Balance and map design are pretty much the two most important things a multiplayer game can have. If there's no balance, the game is a wreck. If the maps are terrible, all the balance in the world won't make the game fun to play. Being crap at both *should* be a death sentence, but Call of Duty is one of those rare cases where the train wreck of terrible levels and unbalanced weaponry collide and make something vaguely playable. My one hit kill sniper kills you with your drop-shot loadout, which counters the corner camping shotgun guy who stops all the sprinting commando guys who stab me while I quickscope. I absolutely abhor the game, but when I "take a step back" I can understand on some level why people like it.

 

[INF1NIT3 D00M]

Anyone actually expected mw3 to be any different from mw2?

I'll be honest: No I did not. However, it would be highly ignorant of me to dismiss the series just because the last 3 games have been absolutely awful. My younger brother will buy the game like the diligent little tool that he is, and when he does I will play the campaign and maybe a few rounds of multiplayer. If it meets my expectations, it's interactive fecal matter unworthy of the plastic and shiny bits that compose it's disc. If it exceeds my expectations, it may be upgraded to "Meh" or perhaps even "It's okay, I guess I don't hate it".
Activision won't see a dime of my money, and neither will EA until I've tried Battlefield 3 at my friend's house. If BF3 can prove it's not just Call of Duty 4 with destruction physics, I *may* purchase it once there is a sale on Steam.

I play everything. I give all games an equal chance to surprise me. Do I buy terrible sequels to series that I hate? No.

 

[JoesshittyOs]

As much as I believe you have the right to like both, Battlefield 3 will be better than Modern Warfare 3.

No, it will fail because you are comparing to a Call of Duty game instead of just judging it by it's own standards.

Your comment says you aren't expecting anything other than it to just be a step up from CoD. Assuming you play on Console, you will be solely disappointed (Dice is very good at advertising their games. A little bit too good).

OT:In all honesty, I was tremendously disappointed with this gameplay footage.

I'm a fan of the game. I find it fun. But I'm quite sure I'm not going to reach the five day mark in hours played for this one.

This may be the one that puts CoD in the ground.

They're both modern-day FPSs, and I've played both; I have the right to compare them. Also, I disagree about the console thing. I think Bad company 2 on 360 is way better than MW2 and Black Ops because it's not about graphics, it's about fun.

I honestly thought that Bad Company looked better than CoD did.

If you managed to get passed the ridiculously clunkly controls and servers filled up with about six people, then maybe you did genuinely enjoy the game.

The game will fail because not once will you say "Battlefield 3 is going to be great", you kids always tend to say "Battlefield 3 is going to be better than Modern Warfare 3", as if that's going to be a fact.

A game that is literally nothing like it in terms of gameplay. So yes, Battlefield 3 will fail because you aren't buying it for Battlefield. You're buying it because of MW3.

And how have you played both? Neither of them have come out yet.

 

[Xman490]

Well...it is using the same engine (I believe), so it being MW2 with different guns and different settings makes sense. Still looks fun to me.

It still looks dull to me. However, your point is 100% more valid because of an awesome profile pic.

 

[-Samurai-]

All this MW3 hate is exactly the same as the MW2 hate. God, what unoriginal hating.

I'll be sure to buy multiple copies of the game just to make sure it gets that "Best selling game of all time" record.

 

[-Samurai-]

Double post

 

[Darth_Dude]

Well, I sure as hell am not going to buy MW3. Im not getting sucked into the hype machine again...

Although, I'm definitely going to rent it, or play it at a friends house.

 

[Shakaar9267]

Sorry to single you out (it was the Silent Hill movie avatar, serously, if you liked that film then it kinda makes this a 'pot calling the kettle black' situation here).

You don't think this is anything more than a repackaged MW2 most likely because you aren't a CoD fan, it's understandable if you didn't give the video more than a surface glance and elected that because it looks graphically similar that it must be similar.

It's fine if you aren't interested in MW3 (no-one's saying you have to be) but it would be unfair to say that the Modern Warfare series hasn't had anything in the way of innovation over time. Just look at CoD4 and MW2, both look very similar (both use the same engine I believe) and have very similar gameplay but you'd be outright in denial if you tried to claim that there had been no change or advancements between the two (MW2 added more choices, variety and flexability to the game, it also changed the levelling up system slightly to increase the speed at which you level so that it's less of an uphill battle to unlock the fancier weapons, a problem I frequently had with World at War).

So based on that is it fair to say that MW3 (a game neither of us have played) will be exactly the same as MW2 just because there are some recurring weapons in it?

That'd be like saying games like Silent Hill and Bioshock are instantly boring and not worth paying attention to because they don't involve terrorists or space marines (overall, you're essentially making the same judgement).

1st thing; My avatar has less to do with the movie, then it has for my love of the games. The best 'Silent Hill avatar' I could find was from the movie, so that's what I went with. I would have preferred one from SH3, but the movie one looked cooler as a avatar so you know.

2nd thing; I am a CoD fan and watch this video closely, along with a few others on 'youtube'. I own CoD Modern Warfare, Modern Warfare 2 & Black Ops.

"it would be unfair to say that the Modern Warfare series hasn't had anything in the way of innovation over time"

What? I didn't say anything about the Modern Warfare series as a whole. You may be right about the advancements between Cod4 & MW2 regarding choices, variety and flexibility. Plus the leveling system you mentioned. But that is not what I was talking about. This thread is about MW2 vs MW3 and the differences between the two (or lack thereof).

"That'd be like saying games like Silent Hill and Bioshock are instantly boring and not worth paying attention to because they don't involve terrorists or space marines"

Anybody saying that will most likely hate horror themed games. While most of the people on this thread love Cod and FPS genres in general, they just don't like how little has changed from MW2 to MW3. So no, I really don't think it's making the same judgement.

Anyways, the bottom line is this;
I love Modern Warfare, however based on what I have seen 'so far' I'm not prepared to pay $60 for this game. If it turns out to be badass I gladly admit I was wrong and will pick it up.

But, as for right now I will pass.

 

[Nico4]

I'll have to say it's not like MW2... it's like CoD2.

 

[tipp6353]

"BF3 looks like BF:BC2."

C WAT I DID THAR?

Nope.avi

 

[ChickenZombie]

Mw1.75.

But seriously, isn't that what MW fans want? They dont want some rediculously new game with new issues to adress. They are getting the game they expect, with previous issues being adressed. People play COD to play COD, not to get a brand new experience every time a game is released, because they like it the way it is.

 

[nklshaz]

It seems like CoD is becoming the Walmart of first person shooters. They're by no means the best, but they're the most common, and at least somewhat reliable. We all know it's going to sell, but I don't think the people buying it are idiots. They've probably known for a while now that they'll basically be buying $60 DLC, but it can be a pretty good social game for people who's friends play it. And in Activision and Infinity Ward's defense, the CoD gameplay formula is actually pretty decent. It's just a shame that they are a bunch of lazy money-hungry assholes.

 

[Otherworld_Odd]

You think they could have at least improved the graphics with the money they made from the last one. This is them just milking everyone for their money. I'm buying Battlefield, screw this game.

 

[Mr.PlanetEater]

Of course it's just MW2 with one or two tiny additions. That is the exact same difference between MW2 and Black Ops, the same between Black Ops and MW1.. They're all the same damned game every year, just like Madden NFL 05, 06, 07, 08, 09, 10, 11, 12...


I hate the gaming industry. -_-

But its not the same damned game every year, the minute you make changes to something it is no longer the same.
EDIT:
And to everyone saying they are going to buy Battlefield and not this-you really aren't buying something that's different. Battlefield 3 looks like it plays exactly the same as Battlefield Bad Company 2, or even Battlefield 2 (its been ages since I've played that so I can't recall very well how that played), sure the story is different and the graphics are nicer but other then that it looks like it plays the same. Does that mean its bad? No. Does it mean its the exact same game? No, because again when you change something no matter how miniscule it may be; it is not longer the same game.

MW3 may play and look exactly like MW2, but that doesn't mean its unworthy of being made because of that fact. A lot of games play exactly like their predecessor, its when you get into the nitty-gritty of the new story and what they have changed or added; that the games become two separate things. No matter how much you might hate the IP in question, there will never be two games that are exactly the same as one another, there will always be changes. And while your personal disliking of the IP may compel you to say other wise, it does not change the fact that the very definition of something being the same means there can't be change.

Oh, and I am not a Call of Duty fan just so you know-I think the series is terrible, in fact I think most FPSs are terrible-it's just started to really annoy me lately when people insist on calling something the same, when there are clearly differences that mean it can no longer be the same.

 

[Mercsenary]

Lets see add new perks and just tweak a few settings and BAM MW3. Sigh...

I heard an interesting tidbit. MW3 E3 trailer: 13-17 year old demographic
BF3 trailer? 17-25 year old demographic.
Hmm...

 

[The Sandvich]

Oh look, it's THIS thread again

 

[Pedro The Hutt]

So different story and different setting means it's not different. I learn something new everyday.

different settings?!?!?! the maps are just reskinned and combined with older maps.Look at the first map at the first video it's combined beteween two maps from MW1 and MW2.

How petty can you guys get? Now you're just looking for, if not making up excuses to say the game is the same.

Yes, the guns are the same because we're still in the same time period, although several got reskinned, but we'll be visiting new locations which will hopefully open up new tactics, and the trailer shows at least a few mechanics not seen in MW2 (granted, I only got the game recently in a Steam sale to see what the fuss is about so I might not have seen everything yet).

If we want to take cheap shots we could also just as easily say that BF3 will largely be a graphical update for BF2, with another abundance of desert and urban maps, with largely the same factions as last time duking it out. Using the same tools and weapons. Now with added big notifications of headshots and similar. And if we want to be really cheap we can start laughing at how you can't even change servers without exiting the game, or not even play the game without installing and running EA's intrusive Origin software.

Just accept both games for what they are, decent enough FPS games that show different aspects of modern warfare. And neither is perfect in executing that.

Now if you'll excuse me, I've got a Red Orchestra 2 beta to get back to.

 

[Zing]

Gotta say, I'm really disappointed by MW3. I expected them to at least try to make it better, MW2 improved upon MW really well in multiplayer. But this literally looks like MW2 DLC.

 

[Sonic Doctor]

As much as I believe you have the right to like both, Battlefield 3 will be better than Modern Warfare 3.

Even if Battlefield 3 doesn't play all that well, at least it will look awesome. People are saying that Modern Warfare 3 looks exactly like Modern Warfare 2, but really they are wrong in that they both look like the first Modern Warfare.

The reason I say this is that since I hadn't played a Call of Duty game since 3, I decided to barrow the original Modern Warfare from my friend. Looking at the graphics from that MW3 video, those graphics look exactly like the original MW.

From that video I can see they are playing it on an Xbox 360. I know I'll probably get some kind of PC person commenting how I am wrong, but I know that 360 games can have better graphics than that, I own and have played 360 games that have had better graphics than that.

As we all know, this is just Activision making Infinity Ward use the same graphics engine, because if they changed the engine to use the 360 at 100% capability, that would mean that the game would come out in possibly 2 years rather than the (Activision) normal barely one year.

Heck, you can tell it is the same thing because the symbol used to mean that there is a grenade thrown at your feet, looks exactly like the one from the original MW. They didn't even have the decency to change the symbol so it actually looks like a grenade instead of a fly blob on the TV screen(the actual problem I had when I played the MW, I'd be blown up before I even realized there was a grenade to be thrown back).

 

[Sonic Doctor]

As I said I would do, now that I am finally able to get back into this thread, I have got rid of the double post. A good thing since it was really long.