The Bible makes little to no sense, so it would be hard to make a coherent game based on it. Most bible games are educational anyway, which explain why they may not be designed for fun.
I know, my point was that description on the devil and his minions where only really written AFTER the Bible was made.KeyMaster45 said:You do realize that Dante's Inferno is not part of the Bible right? Furthermore many of the figures that appear in Dante's Inferno are borrowed from various mythologies(mainly greek though)and historical figures.Not G. Ivingname said:There are demons, but they don't get much light until say the book of revelations or Dante's Inferno (the poem, not the game)
Oh, sorry, I read that at like 4 am, so the letters just blended together. I get what your saying now. My bad. Yes, Activision will pretty much publish anything that involves you hitting the "start" button.Sgt. Sykes said:There's a difference between VALVE and VALUE. You know, between V and U. I wasn't talking about Valve with two V's.CORRODED SIN said:I didn't know Valve had untalented people and of all things, RUSHED DEVELOPMENTS. Are you sure you know what you're talking about? I haven't heard of budget Actvision titles. They kind of just piss money onto games.
ACTIVISION VALUE with a U is a buget Activision division, so yeah, they have a truckload of incredibly shitty budget titles.
Learn some history cause the difference between Lutheranism and Catholicism is very clear and it goes back to the Medici family.SuperMse said:@Skullkid4187Skullkid4187 said:Whatever you say paperboy, cause darwin was oh so clear!Heresy101 said:Clear?! LOLWUT. You'd need a team of 27 theologians just to understand which bits are metaphor and what "context" the verses could possibly be in that makes them ok.Skullkid4187 said:Let me stop you right there, the reason they're aren't any Bible games(that you know of there are plenty) is because the Bible is clear. Mythology not so much which is why game creators use it as a free idea bin. The Bible being straight forward provides explanation unlike mythology.
My theory as to why all bible games have been terrible:
The Bible itself is terrible. Poor source material.
1) Darwin was clear. His science may have had a few holes, but he didn't go around speaking in metaphors like Jesus.
2) Heresy never mentioned Darwin (by the way, it would be nice if you took the time to capitalize the man's name). Don't arbitrarily assign him a viewpoint just for criticizing the Bible. For instance, just because I don't like FOX News doesn't mean I like MSNBC.
3) Darwin himself never meant to assault religion. He just thought that he found something of scientific merit and decided to study it.
4) Heresy is right. The Bible is not clear- if it were, I'd be Catholic right now instead of Lutheran. It has been interpreted in many different ways by countless organizations, and it's messages are still debated to this day.
5) Did...did you just talk down to someone based on post count? That's called an ad-hominem attack, and aside from being a no-no in debates, your reason for invoking it doesn't make any sense. It doesn't matter what his or her post count is, if his or her argument is valid. I thought we were past that sort of elitism here?
@Heresy101
I know you're new, and while I respect your right to dislike the text of another religion, try not to dismiss outright the basis of an entire faith here, especially without giving a reason, okay? That sort of thing is best saved for the religion and politics board, as it causes flame wars and may come across as mean spirited. I know everyone here likes to be smarmy, and, to a certain degree, I like that. But that doesn't mean we can't be polite every once in a while, either.
On-topic: Honestly, I don't think there's any reason for Bible games to be bad. I've had a few ideas for ways to make good Bible games myself, but I'm no game designer. I suppose the chief problem is probably the Bible's attitude towards violence. Considering most games today involve killing of some sort, a lot of developers probably have a problem responding to "Thou shalt not kill." Then you end up with weird stuff, like in the AVGN's videos.
Oy vey, now he's starting a flame war with me. My point was that the Bible is not clear, as is evidenced by the existence of numerous groups with different viewpoints towards it, such as Lutherans and Catholics. If it were clear, there would have been no reason for anybody to contest the viewpoints of the Catholic church, you see?Skullkid4187 said:Learn some history cause the difference between Lutheranism and Catholicism is very clear and it goes back to the Medici family.SuperMse said:@Skullkid4187Skullkid4187 said:Whatever you say paperboy, cause darwin was oh so clear!Heresy101 said:Clear?! LOLWUT. You'd need a team of 27 theologians just to understand which bits are metaphor and what "context" the verses could possibly be in that makes them ok.Skullkid4187 said:Let me stop you right there, the reason they're aren't any Bible games(that you know of there are plenty) is because the Bible is clear. Mythology not so much which is why game creators use it as a free idea bin. The Bible being straight forward provides explanation unlike mythology.
My theory as to why all bible games have been terrible:
The Bible itself is terrible. Poor source material.
1) Darwin was clear. His science may have had a few holes, but he didn't go around speaking in metaphors like Jesus.
2) Heresy never mentioned Darwin (by the way, it would be nice if you took the time to capitalize the man's name). Don't arbitrarily assign him a viewpoint just for criticizing the Bible. For instance, just because I don't like FOX News doesn't mean I like MSNBC.
3) Darwin himself never meant to assault religion. He just thought that he found something of scientific merit and decided to study it.
4) Heresy is right. The Bible is not clear- if it were, I'd be Catholic right now instead of Lutheran. It has been interpreted in many different ways by countless organizations, and it's messages are still debated to this day.
5) Did...did you just talk down to someone based on post count? That's called an ad-hominem attack, and aside from being a no-no in debates, your reason for invoking it doesn't make any sense. It doesn't matter what his or her post count is, if his or her argument is valid. I thought we were past that sort of elitism here?
@Heresy101
I know you're new, and while I respect your right to dislike the text of another religion, try not to dismiss outright the basis of an entire faith here, especially without giving a reason, okay? That sort of thing is best saved for the religion and politics board, as it causes flame wars and may come across as mean spirited. I know everyone here likes to be smarmy, and, to a certain degree, I like that. But that doesn't mean we can't be polite every once in a while, either.
On-topic: Honestly, I don't think there's any reason for Bible games to be bad. I've had a few ideas for ways to make good Bible games myself, but I'm no game designer. I suppose the chief problem is probably the Bible's attitude towards violence. Considering most games today involve killing of some sort, a lot of developers probably have a problem responding to "Thou shalt not kill." Then you end up with weird stuff, like in the AVGN's videos.
I would not support a religious studio even if they made the best game ever.BlindMessiah94 said:Why? Who's to say the same studio is incapable of making a great game as well?Limzz said:Personally I would never buy a game from a studio that made a "Bible Game"
Not that it has happened yet mind you...
SuperMse said:Oy vey, now he's starting a flame war with me. My point was that the Bible is not clear, as is evidenced by the existence of numerous groups with different viewpoints towards it, such as Lutherans and Catholics. If it were clear, there would have been no reason for anybody to contest the viewpoints of the Catholic church, you see?Skullkid4187 said:Learn some history cause the difference between Lutheranism and Catholicism is very clear and it goes back to the Medici family.SuperMse said:@Skullkid4187Skullkid4187 said:Whatever you say paperboy, cause darwin was oh so clear!Heresy101 said:Clear?! LOLWUT. You'd need a team of 27 theologians just to understand which bits are metaphor and what "context" the verses could possibly be in that makes them ok.Skullkid4187 said:Let me stop you right there, the reason they're aren't any Bible games(that you know of there are plenty) is because the Bible is clear. Mythology not so much which is why game creators use it as a free idea bin. The Bible being straight forward provides explanation unlike mythology.
My theory as to why all bible games have been terrible:
The Bible itself is terrible. Poor source material.
1) Darwin was clear. His science may have had a few holes, but he didn't go around speaking in metaphors like Jesus.
2) Heresy never mentioned Darwin (by the way, it would be nice if you took the time to capitalize the man's name). Don't arbitrarily assign him a viewpoint just for criticizing the Bible. For instance, just because I don't like FOX News doesn't mean I like MSNBC.
3) Darwin himself never meant to assault religion. He just thought that he found something of scientific merit and decided to study it.
4) Heresy is right. The Bible is not clear- if it were, I'd be Catholic right now instead of Lutheran. It has been interpreted in many different ways by countless organizations, and it's messages are still debated to this day.
5) Did...did you just talk down to someone based on post count? That's called an ad-hominem attack, and aside from being a no-no in debates, your reason for invoking it doesn't make any sense. It doesn't matter what his or her post count is, if his or her argument is valid. I thought we were past that sort of elitism here?
@Heresy101
I know you're new, and while I respect your right to dislike the text of another religion, try not to dismiss outright the basis of an entire faith here, especially without giving a reason, okay? That sort of thing is best saved for the religion and politics board, as it causes flame wars and may come across as mean spirited. I know everyone here likes to be smarmy, and, to a certain degree, I like that. But that doesn't mean we can't be polite every once in a while, either.
On-topic: Honestly, I don't think there's any reason for Bible games to be bad. I've had a few ideas for ways to make good Bible games myself, but I'm no game designer. I suppose the chief problem is probably the Bible's attitude towards violence. Considering most games today involve killing of some sort, a lot of developers probably have a problem responding to "Thou shalt not kill." Then you end up with weird stuff, like in the AVGN's videos.
Start...no you did that by commenting on something i put, now you're trying to act like you didn't start this, but you did. The Bible is clear, it's just certain people believe that the Bible is centered on them,, example blacks in the Civil War, mormons.SuperMse said:Oy vey, now he's starting a flame war with me. My point was that the Bible is not clear, as is evidenced by the existence of numerous groups with different viewpoints towards it, such as Lutherans and Catholics. If it were clear, there would have been no reason for anybody to contest the viewpoints of the Catholic church, you see?Skullkid4187 said:Learn some history cause the difference between Lutheranism and Catholicism is very clear and it goes back to the Medici family.SuperMse said:@Skullkid4187Skullkid4187 said:Whatever you say paperboy, cause darwin was oh so clear!Heresy101 said:Clear?! LOLWUT. You'd need a team of 27 theologians just to understand which bits are metaphor and what "context" the verses could possibly be in that makes them ok.Skullkid4187 said:Let me stop you right there, the reason they're aren't any Bible games(that you know of there are plenty) is because the Bible is clear. Mythology not so much which is why game creators use it as a free idea bin. The Bible being straight forward provides explanation unlike mythology.
My theory as to why all bible games have been terrible:
The Bible itself is terrible. Poor source material.
1) Darwin was clear. His science may have had a few holes, but he didn't go around speaking in metaphors like Jesus.
2) Heresy never mentioned Darwin (by the way, it would be nice if you took the time to capitalize the man's name). Don't arbitrarily assign him a viewpoint just for criticizing the Bible. For instance, just because I don't like FOX News doesn't mean I like MSNBC.
3) Darwin himself never meant to assault religion. He just thought that he found something of scientific merit and decided to study it.
4) Heresy is right. The Bible is not clear- if it were, I'd be Catholic right now instead of Lutheran. It has been interpreted in many different ways by countless organizations, and it's messages are still debated to this day.
5) Did...did you just talk down to someone based on post count? That's called an ad-hominem attack, and aside from being a no-no in debates, your reason for invoking it doesn't make any sense. It doesn't matter what his or her post count is, if his or her argument is valid. I thought we were past that sort of elitism here?
@Heresy101
I know you're new, and while I respect your right to dislike the text of another religion, try not to dismiss outright the basis of an entire faith here, especially without giving a reason, okay? That sort of thing is best saved for the religion and politics board, as it causes flame wars and may come across as mean spirited. I know everyone here likes to be smarmy, and, to a certain degree, I like that. But that doesn't mean we can't be polite every once in a while, either.
On-topic: Honestly, I don't think there's any reason for Bible games to be bad. I've had a few ideas for ways to make good Bible games myself, but I'm no game designer. I suppose the chief problem is probably the Bible's attitude towards violence. Considering most games today involve killing of some sort, a lot of developers probably have a problem responding to "Thou shalt not kill." Then you end up with weird stuff, like in the AVGN's videos.
That's pretty much it right there. Like movie games, they're just quick and crappy cash-ins to rake in some dough from unsuspecting consumers.thiosk said:The reason bible video games generally suck is the same reason that movie videogames suck.
They are about the bible, and about the movie first, rather than being about the game first.
being a jewish zealot against the romans would probably be awesome, though, spoiler alert, you die in the end.mjc0961 said:That's pretty much it right there. Like movie games, they're just quick and crappy cash-ins to rake in some dough from unsuspecting consumers.thiosk said:The reason bible video games generally suck is the same reason that movie videogames suck.
They are about the bible, and about the movie first, rather than being about the game first.
Also, I have a very hard time figuring out what kind of genre a GOOD bible game would be, and what the objectives would be?
Still haven't said why though...right now all I'm getting is that you have made an absolute decision that you will never sway from, which hardly makes you sound any better than said religious groups.Limzz said:I would not support a religious studio even if they made the best game ever.BlindMessiah94 said:Why? Who's to say the same studio is incapable of making a great game as well?Limzz said:Personally I would never buy a game from a studio that made a "Bible Game"
Not that it has happened yet mind you...
this. there are quite a few movies and stories that are easily relateable to bible/bible stories, its just adding on tid bits here and there that would make them interesting. and i think people would be too worried and critical about the game trying to "convert" people. if there was a bible game, that i checked out, and it looked good, i would play it, regardless if there is a bible or not, after all its just a gameLullabye said:This may be true. But I'm not exactly a follower of Greek mythos, yet I still greatly enjoyed God of War.Aby_Z said:Perhaps it's also that a good deal of people are moving towards becoming Atheist or otherwise not part of the main, big religions. Because of this, making a game about the Bible wouldn't go down too well with this growing majority and the game wouldn't sell to well.
Maybe what they should try is to make a game based on an Atheist version of the Bible(doesn't make sense, I know). Saying what actually happened assuming "God", you know, doesn't exist.
Take David and Golaith for example. God teaching us a lesson, or actually just a lucky pebble through the eye?
Or maybe they could take the stories Jesus told, and make you play more epic versions of them.
The Good Samaritan for example.
Help a guy in a ditch? Booooring.
Help a guy in a ditch fight off some bandits, maybe a tiger or two? Sure, I'd play that.
Just because he hasn't said why doesn't mean he is without a reason.BlindMessiah94 said:Still haven't said why though...right now all I'm getting is that you have made an absolute decision that you will never sway from, which hardly makes you sound any better than said religious groups.Limzz said:I would not support a religious studio even if they made the best game ever.
Of course, but what am I, a mind reader? All I can do is fill in the blanks and right now he just sounds like he is blindly following a sentiment. I'd love to hear what his reasons are actually.Heresy101 said:Just because he hasn't said why doesn't mean he is without a reason.BlindMessiah94 said:Still haven't said why though...right now all I'm getting is that you have made an absolute decision that you will never sway from, which hardly makes you sound any better than said religious groups.Limzz said:I would not support a religious studio even if they made the best game ever.
I think assuming that he's "blindly following a sentiment" is a much greater leap than assuming he has a reason for his distaste. If I was going to guess, I'd say he was an atheist (and therefore doesn't believe religion is true and presumably sees it as a spreader of untruth) and perhaps an anti-theist (because of religion's immoral teachings and practices in certain areas). If that was the case (and I assume I'm close to the mark) then he has every reason to boycott a religious company. I do the same with religious charities.BlindMessiah94 said:Of course, but what am I, a mind reader? All I can do is fill in the blanks and right now he just sounds like he is blindly following a sentiment. I'd love to hear what his reasons are actually.