My thoughts on "Avatar"

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Erja_Perttu

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GeneralGrant said:
If you haven't seen the movie, why bother giving thoughts on it?
My opinion exactly. Having seen the movie myself, I openly laugh at those bashing it without seeing it. Get back to me when you've seen it, then give me some good reasons why it is bad.

Also, to paraphrase Moviebob - Anyone comparing it to Dances with Wolves gets a unch in the face.
 

Vrex360

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I saw it today and I was really impressed, yeah a lot of the elements were formula but it was done so well with an eye for the beautiful and the epic with wonderful scenery and amazing effects. Also I actually found the romance aspect to the story very real and emotionally moving, possibly because I'm a hopeless romantic but seriously there was a decent level of characterisation and despite being similar to other stuff it is still totally worth watching in my own view anyway.
 

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I stopped at the point where you said you didn't see it. But by your standards, I can look at people's responses and have an opinion, and that opinion is that you suck.


Edit:I just saw Avatar yesterday. It was damn good. Maybe came on a little strong and obvious with the central themes, but not everything has to be subtle. It didn't seem to full of action and 'splosions to make it seem stupid, and the 3D was god damn trippy. I actually twitched to avoid something at one point in the movie.
I do wish he could have made the love interest a little harder to spot form a mile away, but eh. Nothing is perfect, and it's a nice shift to see a hyped up movie deliver more than just tits and BAYSPLOSIONS RAWR!

...Not hat it didn't have tits or explosions. Actually it had a good bit of both, but it came across tastefully to me instead of, say, obvious sexual shots of Megan Fox *cough Tranformers 2 cough*
 

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Giddi said:
Look, I'm a liberal, but by your reasoning I shouldn't like the show "24" because at times it (in some ways) tries to justify the use of military and torture for the greater good etc etc etc.
Nope, borked logic there. The overriding theme of 24 isn't anywhere near that pro-military, yet the overriding theme of Avatar is quite clearly pro-environmentalism and anti-Imperialism. It's fine to have those political opinions, heck, if no-one actually held those opinions then right wing opinions would stagnate, but please don't compare the very occasional slips into right wing ideology in the media to the overwhelming left wing ideology of the American media.

I don't personally intend to see Avatar because I know I won't enjoy it. It's insipid message will irritate me, so I shan't subject myself to it. However, I do feel that this thread would have been better framed as a debate on the political bias of the media than as a legitimate review of a film the reviewer's not even seen.

EDIT: Oh, and just because everyone else is saying it and I want to be cool too "LULZY LOLZZZ I DINNOT RED PAST THA BIT WHUR U SED U DNT WTCH THE FU:LM?"
 

Giddi

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BGH122 said:
Giddi said:
Look, I'm a liberal, but by your reasoning I shouldn't like the show "24" because at times it (in some ways) tries to justify the use of military and torture for the greater good etc etc etc.
Nope, borked logic there. The overriding theme of 24 isn't anywhere near that pro-military, yet the overriding theme of Avatar is quite clearly pro-environmentalism and anti-Imperialism. It's fine to have those political opinions, heck, if no-one actually held those opinions then right wing opinions would stagnate, but please don't compare the very occasional slips into right wing ideology in the media to the overwhelming left wing ideology of the American media.
True, it's not necessarily pro-military, but it certainly comes across as pro-torture, or at least in a way...* I understand that torture in the show is more of a device to move the plot along at the pace dictated by the layout of the show, but my point here is that I can leave my personal sensibilities at the sideline while I enjoy a good show, as, you understand, it's not real and all...
I can cheer for the hero of the story without dissecting and complaining on the internet that he is a tool of the Bush administration, because he isn't. he's a charactor, and after watching all the episodes, my opinions about tortune are still the same.

Look, I'm all for saving the environment, but some points of the movie Avatar pushed this a little hard (that I was sitting there saying, "ok, I get it, let s move on now"), but I understand we had to cover the plight of the Navi (sp?) people to move forward. The movie is 3 hours long though, so almost everything is drawn out.
At the end of the day though, see the damn movie. It's not going to convert you, but if you can put up with the environmental message parts of the movie, you will surely be entertained.

*In the way that it justifies it, and yet pushes plot points (rarely) that demonise it.
 

MrSnugglesworth

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teh_pwning_dude said:
Avatar seemed like a horrid movie with empty story, unlikeable characters, wafer-thin hippy crap "message" that a 12 year old could disect and nothing that could make anyone THINK despite all this goddamn hype.

Specisl effects mean jack crap. I'm not impressed one bit.
When you say "I wasn't impressed one bit" I'll take your opinion for what it is. Right now, you're just a moron talking out of his ass.
 

Altorin

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I didn't read your post, so this critique of your post may come off as ill-informed, but I have seen other critiques of your post, so I think I can see the general gist of it.

Your post is stupid. I don't think I would like it if I read it. It has an anti-liberal bias and I CANT BELIEVE HOW DUMB IT MUST BE! I mean, I say again, I haven't read your post, but I'm fairly certain it's really stupid.

In closing, I feel that you are stupid as well, for having posted this post.
 

Yarkaz

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Thanks for spouting on about your political opinions. Care to say something about the actual movie now?

Unlike you, I saw Avatar. I thought it was great. Yes, the plot was shallow, but I didn't mind. It was completely reasonable and made perfect sense; real life isn't always so deep, full of intrigue, secrets and deception. Mercenaries (not military, mercs) are hired by a big bad corporation to drive out indigenous peoples, indigenous peoples fight back. A cliche for sure, but it was presented in a way that made it interesting to me. The acting was spot on in my humble opinion, the main character especially did a good job of portraying a truly clueless newbie to the whole avatar thing.

And to those of you who say that no amount of CGI can make up for a bad story... I weep for you. Avatar's visuals were truly amazing, especially in 3D. The Na'vi are easily the most lifelike alien race I've ever seen in a movie, putting anything Star Wars or Star Trek have tried to shame. As a writer, I say that even if story had been completely nonpresent in the film (which it was), I'd have liked it.

If you are a perfectionist, don't see Avatar. Screw it, stop watching movies in general. Avatar wasn't perfect, but it was a darn good movie worth watching any day.
 

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JimmyBassatti said:
Mr.Pandah said:
As someone else has already said, I stopped reading after you said "I didn't see the movie."

Really...? You really think you have any sort of knowledge based on a movie that you haven't even watched? I couldn't bother to read your post, but I have some views on it.

It sucks.

See how it works?
Well I assume Avatar sucks, too.
I lost interest when James Cameron tried to pretend that Dances With Smurf will be the best movie ever, and that he'll win so many awards for it. Avatar is just a giant special effect porno, meant to trick the same people who liked both Transformers movies into paying back $9 of the movie's ridiculous budget. You could make two movies with the price of it's budget, for fuck sakes.
Sadly, I'm going to have to agree with MovieBob on this one(ironically I disagreed with what he said in his review), but it isn't clever when comparing it to Dances with Wolves (or Smurfs thanks to South Park). We all know that that is what the story is with a few more political undertones thrown in.

If we all thought this way about movies, we wouldn't see any movies...or buy any games for that matter.
 

Giddi

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Yarkaz said:
The acting was spot on in my humble opinion, the main character especially did a good job of portraying a truly clueless newbie to the whole avatar thing.
I gotta say it, I was a bit disappointed by Sigourney Weaver (head scientist lady) and Joel Moore's (other avatar guy) characters, they were really just props thrown in occasionally. Sigourney Weaver's entrance was strong, I was thinking "Wow, she's going to kick some ass!" and then... nothing. She's just kinda hanging around. Same with the other guy, a lot was spent talking about how much work they had put into getting to where they were, and then they don't really do anything.

But what more could you build into it? it was already 3 hours long, so to build on these you would have to take away from something else... dunno.

Still an excellent movie, but I prefer Aliens :eek:D
 

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I respect your opinion, but if you want people to really take your opinion seriously, then I suggest you see the movie that your talking so strongly about. I mean, the thread is called "My thoughts on Avatar", so Im assuming the thoughts your sharing are "Educated". Not to say that your un-educated, but that you are educated on the topic you are talking about. In this case, seeing the movie you are giving your opinion on. Im not saying your wrong or right in your opinions, I'm just saying that people would take it a little more seriously if you had seen the movie before giving your opinion of it.
 

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The movie doesn't have to have a message you agree with to be good. I loved Avatar, and even I were a conservative, I still would have loved it. The plot's not the greatest but it's certainly better than 80% of the movies I've ever seen. Its message may be politically charged and it might just be a Dances With Wolves ripoff, but that doesn't make it a less moving piece of art. I would pay to see it ten times more, because it's not political propoganda - it's a film and I'll judge it based on its merits as one.
 

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DID...

anyone mention that McDonalds had an Avatar promotion?



lulz at the irony.
 

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Acaroid said:
Mike Fang said:
Okay, this may come off as rather ill-informed, since I admit right up front that I've not seen the movie Avatar, but that's because I feel that from everything I've seen from trailers, heard in a review from The Escapist and heard from others who have seen it, I really don't need to go see the movie to get the major gist of it. And what I've heard has convinced me that while I may enjoy the movie visually, I would be inwardly groaning at the plot, hence I'm not going to waste my money on it.

Since I haven't seen the film I can't really spoil anything, but I will warn you I'm about to lay out the basics of the plot as I've heard it; of course it's nothing you probably haven't already guessed if you've seen more than two commercials for the thing. So here's the basic premise: humanity has developed interplanetary travel and has discovered a planet with a mineral that's highly valuable. But there's a native population on the planet who, naturally, are like space elves in that they live in harmony with nature.

So it should be no shock to anybody with at least a high school education that this movie is about the evil human beings (in particular the military) who want to rape the environment for its resources and the brave tribal aliens who try to stop them. God, I am so sick of Hollywood's liberal agenda. To these people the military has no positive qualities ever and there's no such thing as responsible, eco-friendly industry. It makes me want to puke.

Now I've heard praise heaped on Avatar for its visuals and I will admit, what I've seen has been visually impressive. Even knowing a lot of it is CG doesn't take away from the amazing detail they've put into it. But as a writer, visuals aren't enough for me. If the characters' behavior is unbelievable, their dialogue hackneyed and forced, or the overall plot unappealing, I'm not going to be impressed.

Two things seem incredibly ironic to me here. This movie, from all accounts, has a plot with the usual liberal environmental agenda, and liberals are known for saying they don't like extremes or absolutes. And yet when you bring up things like the military or industry, they seem convinced that it's all bad; how extreme and absolute is THAT?

The other thing that strikes me as ironic is who made this movie. Avatar was produced by 20th Century FOX. That's right; the same Fox corporation owned by Rupert Murdoch, the man so many have painted as a right-wing, conservative anti-Christ, MADE A MOVIE WITH A PRO-ENVIRONMENTAL MESSAGE BEHIND IT. But do you think he or Fox will get any credit for this? I wouldn't bet on it.

Now before anyone gets any thoughts about me, seeing as how I'm conservative myself, I just want to make it clear that I think protecting the environment is a good thing. As a reporter, I'm on the environmental beat, and I think that a lot of the efforts people make that I report on are great. I cover student groups planting beach grasses to help stabilize shorelines, environmental groups helping build oyster reefs to bring back the oyster populations and help clean the water, and other sorts of efforts of that nature. Personally I think its a good idea to protect the environment and to avoid harming it.

However, I do see the need to take advantage of natural resources. But I think it should be done responsibly. Harvest trees for lumber, but remember to plant new ones after that's done. Use eco-friendly pesticides to protect crops. Conduct mining operations that do as little damage to the surface ground as possible.

Now, with that out of the way, one last thought. Some people may think its easy to rail on typical political agenda plots without suggesting a solution. But I actually have an idea for what they COULD have done in Avatar to make it a little more politically balanced. It's simple; the protagonist would have been placed in his alien hybrid body and told to gather data on the Na'vi so they could try to find a way to find a diplomatic solution to the problem. The plan could have succeeded, and humans and the na'vi could have begun making plans to cooperate and coexist. But extremists on both sides, military fanatics on one and na'vi xenophobes on the other, wouldn't approve of the peaceful cooperation and would start doing everything possible to destroy the peace and engage in an all-out war between their races. Hence it would be up to the heroes of both races to find a way to stop the warmongers on both sides before peaceful coexistence between the two was shattered.

Now that would have been a movie I would've paid to see.
You should really move this to the political thread, because that is what it is... LITTLE of what you said is about the movie and more your anti liberal, pro military, la de da post hidden in something to do with avatar.
Yeah dude, really if you have an opinion on something MAKE IT LEGITIMATE TO THE SUBJECT!
 

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I loved the movie, sure the plot wasnt a masterpiece and yes the visuals were mindblowing, but what made the movie for me was how it took your breath away, how the characters moved and how believable the animation was, some scenes could only be described as "Epic".

Some scenes were just as powerful without the need for visuals, the first time Jake enters his avatar and he starts running, the whole context of that part gave me goosebumps.

Don't get me wrong, i love a good story and character development, District 9 is one of my favourite movies, but i don't just put a high value upon a good plot, i also recognise how the movie excites you.
 

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Now that I have seen Avatar, I shall say this to the OP.

Fuck you.
 

Altorin

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Reep said:
I loved the movie, sure the plot wasnt a masterpiece and yes the visuals were mindblowing, but what made the movie for me was how it took your breath away, how the characters moved and how believable the animation was, some scenes could only be described as "Epic".

Some scenes were just as powerful without the need for visuals, the first time Jake enters his avatar and he starts running, the whole context of that part gave me goosebumps.

Don't get me wrong, i love a good story and character development, District 9 is one of my favourite movies, but i don't just put a high value upon a good plot, i also recognise how the movie excites you.
I for one felt immersed in the world of Pandora when watching it. I loved the setting.

There are 3 corner stones to a good story

Setting, Character and Plot.

No movie can be good without a single strong cornerstone. Transformers 3, for instance, didn't have any of those things in its favor.

But if one of those things blows you away, you can overlook the other two, at least for one movie. And the good thing about Setting, rather then Plot or Character is that it lends itself better to sequels or other media in that setting. I was thinking of an RTS when I was watching Avatar, and I'm a little underwhelmed by the first Avatar game, but an Avatar RTS would be awesome.

Actually, when I'm thinking about it right now, but basic idea would be the same as Spore's RTS game, but maybe a bit more complicated. A basic set of units, that can use different buildings or even other units to become different units.

Human base unit can either pick up a gun and become a gunner, or board a mech, or flying ship and become a pilot. Or interface with different buildings for different effects... like becoming a scientist, and increasing tech growth.

Na'vi could interface with pretty much anything. Trees to become "mages", basically they stay where they are and manipulate the battlezone from a distance. They could interface with creep to mount them and use their attacks and movement speeds. They could also spawn creep.

Part of the human offense would be to destroy the trees (to stop the enemy na'vi mage's influence), destroy creep to stop them from becoming enemy military units, and ultimately destroy the Na'Vi base.

The Na'Vi's goal would be to spread their trees out of their current sphere of influence, build creep, stop the human advance before the humans scientists come up with new and interesting ways to destroy them.

One thing that could make an avatar game distinctive from other RTS's, could be something like randomly generated appearances for all units... like how the Sims populates a world with randomly generated characters, Avatar RTS could use random appearances for it's basic units... with a lot of possibilities so that no the basic units (the human units which specialize into other things or ride vehicles, and the na'vi who do the same) all look slightly different.

Maybe it would be a bad game, but I'd definitely play it.
 

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You're complaining about the plot? Go watch Moviebob's review. It's the same plot as a classic movie(I think it was Dances with Wolves). It's basically that movie with a fantasy/sci-fi twist, so the plot wasn't Fox's idea. And it's not really about the environment, it's the history attached to it (they can communicate with their ancestors through the tree). You can't review a movie without seeing it first, so I suggest you go see it then update your review.
 

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Mike Fang said:
Okay, this may come off as rather ill-informed, since I admit right up front that I've not seen the movie Avatar, but that's because I feel that from everything I've seen from trailers, heard in a review from The Escapist and heard from others who have seen it, I really don't need to go see the movie to get the major gist of it. And what I've heard has convinced me that while I may enjoy the movie visually, I would be inwardly groaning at the plot, hence I'm not going to waste my money on it.

Since I haven't seen the film I can't really spoil anything, but I will warn you I'm about to lay out the basics of the plot as I've heard it; of course it's nothing you probably haven't already guessed if you've seen more than two commercials for the thing. So here's the basic premise: humanity has developed interplanetary travel and has discovered a planet with a mineral that's highly valuable. But there's a native population on the planet who, naturally, are like space elves in that they live in harmony with nature.

So it should be no shock to anybody with at least a high school education that this movie is about the evil human beings (in particular the military)
Aaaaand you can stop there, that high school education isn't doing to well for you buddy.
You're wrong.
Go see the movie, seriously.

Also we can get right off the Space Elf shit, they're no more Elves than they are Elephants. They're just a race of tribal people, with no passing resembelance to elves. It would be a better comparison putting Native American in space with all the reverance they have for the natural world.
The blue skin does not make them like elves.

I want to rage on this post but I'm not going too. Go see the film.
 

Flack

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Its like the Crysis of movies.
Very very pretty, although somewhat lacking in the plot department