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Mr. Eff said:
grimsprice said:
Mr. Eff said:
I got probation for bumping. Oops! I didn`t know that was a sin here.

I also didn`t know my opinion didn`t matter here. Sorry for trying to give an alternate point of view!
I made an annotation to my comment in case you want to read that... alternative points of view are nice, and appreciated here. TELLING us that it SHOULD have its score lowered because of your opinion is not welcome. And don't tell us were wrong for liking it, thats bad too. (though i don't remember if you said anything like that...)
I never said people shouldn`t like it (I only said it gets praise it doesn`t deserve). Make of that what you will. Maybe I just have high expectations­.

theironbat46 said:
I respect your opinion, but I disagree with it. The person on youtube received bad comments because he was 11. Now, you have only played fifteen minutes. You just made this so, L4D2 already came out, first get L4D2. Then, I couldn't tell or not from this, get xbox live. Second play a full campaign. I recommend Dark Carnival. Then play a campaign on multi player, then play Versus. Now, some people differ opinions. In your case 85% percent of the world is against you. And actually play it through, That's like taking the first 15 min of SM#. walking out of the theater, knowing it's a good movie. While it gets worse. L4D is like that , starts reg get better.
Perhaps I will try multiplayer. However, I believe a game should be able to stand on it`s own
without multiplayer.
the game was intended to be multilayer, its like bashing TF2 for having bad single player
L4D is meant to be a co-op survival game, go to point A - B and try stay alive, if its too easy crank up the difficulty, or if your on L4D2 put on realism mode, and enjoy headshots only. and Versus is great, because you VS real infected players who strategise and work together, makes for a better experience. go online :)
 

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grimsprice said:
Mr. Eff said:
I never said people shouldn`t like it (I only said it gets praise it doesn`t deserve).
No, but see this is what i'm saying.

"it gets praise it doesn't deserve"

What exactly does that mean? Because when i read it i see ...

"They like it, they say its good, I don't like it, i say its bad, so they should stop saying its good because i say its bad"

Your opinion does not supercede others opinions. Especially if its the opinions of the many against the opinions of the one. Thats what i was trying to say. Its nice to hear another opinion, it makes you think about thinks your own biased might be covering up. But to say that your opinion is more valuable than others is just arrogant. By all means give your opinion. However, don't act like its the word of our lord Kim Jong Il.
Good point, sir.
Pyode said:
I'm not going to argue about whether or not you're opinion of the game is wrong becasue its just that, your opinion. But I will say a few things about the "review".

First of all, dude chill the fuck out. Just because you like other games better doesn't mean other people have to. Your opinion isn't the end all be all and nor is theirs.

Secondly, have you ever heard of a difficulty curve? Just because a game is easy at the start doesn't mean it will stay that way. Also, not every game needs a story. Look at almost every Fighting, Racing, ans Sports game ever.

Also,

Mr. Eff said:
This proves you just need to make a nice looking game packed with violence that you can indulge in with your friends and you have a platinum seller. Unacceptable.
Not every painting needs to be the Mona Lisa.
Another.

I will keep these points in mind, gents. Criticism is welcome.
 

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I didn't like it. It looked nice but had no substance. I wrote a longer mini-review, if anyone cares to read let me know.
 

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Mr. Eff said:
grimsprice said:
Mr. Eff said:
I never said people shouldn`t like it (I only said it gets praise it doesn`t deserve).
No, but see this is what i'm saying.

"it gets praise it doesn't deserve"

What exactly does that mean? Because when i read it i see ...

"They like it, they say its good, I don't like it, i say its bad, so they should stop saying its good because i say its bad"

Your opinion does not supercede others opinions. Especially if its the opinions of the many against the opinions of the one. Thats what i was trying to say. Its nice to hear another opinion, it makes you think about thinks your own biased might be covering up. But to say that your opinion is more valuable than others is just arrogant. By all means give your opinion. However, don't act like its the word of our lord Kim Jong Il.
Good point, sir.
Pyode said:
I'm not going to argue about whether or not you're opinion of the game is wrong becasue its just that, your opinion. But I will say a few things about the "review".

First of all, dude chill the fuck out. Just because you like other games better doesn't mean other people have to. Your opinion isn't the end all be all and nor is theirs.

Secondly, have you ever heard of a difficulty curve? Just because a game is easy at the start doesn't mean it will stay that way. Also, not every game needs a story. Look at almost every Fighting, Racing, ans Sports game ever.

Also,

Mr. Eff said:
This proves you just need to make a nice looking game packed with violence that you can indulge in with your friends and you have a platinum seller. Unacceptable.
Not every painting needs to be the Mona Lisa.
Another.

I will keep these points in mind, gents. Criticism is welcome.
God i love making progress. To connect with the mind of another person millions of lazy sandwich runs away and actually exchange a complex idea is so FUCKING awesome.
 

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'Cause I know my opinions are likely to be as flawed as anyone else's. I wrote this out of frustration some time ago and just thought of posting it now. I don't expect anyone to agree with me. Call me out, and it will make me think things out better in the future.
 

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It's on my Facebook. Here you go. And just so you know, I beat this game and completed the Mercenaries. :p

I'm going to start this off by saying that this might contain spoilers, but this may not matter because this game is so damned predictable. I am partly writing this to counter the praise given to this game, and to vent my frustration at my failure in Resident Evil 4 (which is a far superior game).
We start off with our hero (The Incredible Hulk Chris Redfield), our hero from the the original and Code: Veronica, where he's in Africa combating bio terrorism as part of the BSAA (I forget what it stands for right now, and I really don't care). He teams up with Sheva Alomar, a a tough native African to do some mission. Things quickly get out of hand and the locals get nasty, attacking The Incredible Hulk Chris and Sheva. They soon discover that some old friends and enemies are involved, as well as some new characters.
I admit, the beginning of the game is good. It builds up tension and gives some hints of the chaos to come before it actually starts. Another area it improves on is graphics, but that's to be expected on a next-generation system. Voice acting is good too. Other than graphics (and the Mercenaries mini game - more on that later), RE4 is superior in every way. I wasn't expecting this game to blow my mind. What I did expect of it is that it give me some entertainment, maintain some links to the rest of the series and make me feel like it was somehow worth playing. It was a fun action game while it lasted but as a fan of the series, I was disappointed.
The only links we have to any of the other games are three characters, who are changed beyond regognition. The Incredible Hulk (Damn! There I go again) Chris Redfield have muscles that would make the Rock jealous. Wesker looks like an old, pissed off Neil Patrick Harris playing an extra in the Matrix. Jill is blonde for some reason. The new characters are decent enough, except for the crazy blonde guy (again, don't remember his name, and don't care to) who looks out of place in a Resident Evil game and probably still wets the bed.
The story these characters are thrust into is a jumbled mess. At least that's how I remember it. It has something to do with a new virus that is very similar to the one in RE4, an Umbrella Inc. ripoff and a plan for new world order. Maybe it would make more sense if I played it again. But I feel no need.
Even the script is sucks. (On a side note: success in RE4). It is cliched ("You are merely postponing the inevitable!") and some words and phrases are just plain out of place ("This is for our fallen brothers!)". Admitted, some other RE games had awful dialogue. But with the rest of the game being good, the most this did was make me take the game less seriously. Here, with the rest of the game being not so good, it just irritates me further.
The inventory system was frustrating as well. While it was interesting to have to make quick, frantic decisions (as accessing the inventory does not paused the game) the inventory space is limited and item managing is frustrating. Maybe a pause feature would have worked to arrange the item swapping before actually doing it. But what we're left with here is an irritating, tedious process that somehow reminds me of Tetris. Not to mention the fact that objects like, say, a green herb take up the same amount of inventory space as 150 machine gun rounds. And bullet proof vests take up an inventory space; wait, don't people usually wear those on their chests? Zero Punctuation said "You're wearing your armour in a pocket of your armour."
The one redeeming quality of the game was the Mercenaries mini game. In fact, it was the best part of the game. And when I think about it, it makes me dislike this game more; it is a bad sign when bonus material is better than the game itself. In Mercenaries, we don't need to pretend there's a story. The developers didn't pretend there's a story. It's just action, and we realize that. It's a good time, teaming up with a friend, fighting different enemies, frantically trying to collect health, ammo and timers while the same time trying to beat your previous score and unlock new characters/levels. There are many more characters and levels to play, which makes it even better. But sadly, this gets old as well. And after we've beaten the story mode and mercenaries, we're left with a shelf decoration, or maybe something to sell for store credit at EB Games.
All in all, this game is NOT worth buying. If you want to play it, rent it with a friend. It will be more fun, and you can make jokes about it. Don't expect a profound experience out of this game.
 

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Some people like nonstop action with simple, yet amazingly fun gameplay. Some people would rather pay $50-60 for a GAME and not a semi-interactive movie (except for maybe Fahrenheit/Indigo Prophecy and Heavy Rain).

I mean, look at Unreal Tournament 3. That could have been a much better game if they threw away all that trash about war and such and focused on... well, the Tournament. They tried that with UT 2003 and look how well that game did. Of course, UT3's failure is also due to that other Epic game...

You may not have like it due to lack of backstory, sense, or whatever, but you may ***** about why people shouldn't like it, but have you stopped to think about why people do like it? Because it's fun, a word that's almost lost on the gaming industry as of late.

The fun factor in a game these days is about as scarce as an instrument solo in modern music.
 

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Mr. Eff said:
It's on my Facebook. Here you go. And just so you know, I beat this game and completed the Mercenaries. :p

I'm going to start this off by saying that this might contain spoilers, but this may not matter because this game is so damned predictable. I am partly writing this to counter the praise given to this game, and to vent my frustration at my failure in Resident Evil 4 (which is a far superior game).
We start off with our hero (The Incredible Hulk Chris Redfield), our hero from the the original and Code: Veronica, where he's in Africa combating bio terrorism as part of the BSAA (I forget what it stands for right now, and I really don't care). He teams up with Sheva Alomar, a a tough native African to do some mission. Things quickly get out of hand and the locals get nasty, attacking The Incredible Hulk Chris and Sheva. They soon discover that some old friends and enemies are involved, as well as some new characters.
I admit, the beginning of the game is good. It builds up tension and gives some hints of the chaos to come before it actually starts. Another area it improves on is graphics, but that's to be expected on a next-generation system. Voice acting is good too. Other than graphics (and the Mercenaries mini game - more on that later), RE4 is superior in every way. I wasn't expecting this game to blow my mind. What I did expect of it is that it give me some entertainment, maintain some links to the rest of the series and make me feel like it was somehow worth playing. It was a fun action game while it lasted but as a fan of the series, I was disappointed.
The only links we have to any of the other games are three characters, who are changed beyond regognition. The Incredible Hulk (Damn! There I go again) Chris Redfield have muscles that would make the Rock jealous. Wesker looks like an old, pissed off Neil Patrick Harris playing an extra in the Matrix. Jill is blonde for some reason. The new characters are decent enough, except for the crazy blonde guy (again, don't remember his name, and don't care to) who looks out of place in a Resident Evil game and probably still wets the bed.
The story these characters are thrust into is a jumbled mess. At least that's how I remember it. It has something to do with a new virus that is very similar to the one in RE4, an Umbrella Inc. ripoff and a plan for new world order. Maybe it would make more sense if I played it again. But I feel no need.
Even the script is sucks. (On a side note: success in RE4). It is cliched ("You are merely postponing the inevitable!") and some words and phrases are just plain out of place ("This is for our fallen brothers!)". Admitted, some other RE games had awful dialogue. But with the rest of the game being good, the most this did was make me take the game less seriously. Here, with the rest of the game being not so good, it just irritates me further.
The inventory system was frustrating as well. While it was interesting to have to make quick, frantic decisions (as accessing the inventory does not paused the game) the inventory space is limited and item managing is frustrating. Maybe a pause feature would have worked to arrange the item swapping before actually doing it. But what we're left with here is an irritating, tedious process that somehow reminds me of Tetris. Not to mention the fact that objects like, say, a green herb take up the same amount of inventory space as 150 machine gun rounds. And bullet proof vests take up an inventory space; wait, don't people usually wear those on their chests? Zero Punctuation said "You're wearing your armour in a pocket of your armour."
The one redeeming quality of the game was the Mercenaries mini game. In fact, it was the best part of the game. And when I think about it, it makes me dislike this game more; it is a bad sign when bonus material is better than the game itself. In Mercenaries, we don't need to pretend there's a story. The developers didn't pretend there's a story. It's just action, and we realize that. It's a good time, teaming up with a friend, fighting different enemies, frantically trying to collect health, ammo and timers while the same time trying to beat your previous score and unlock new characters/levels. There are many more characters and levels to play, which makes it even better. But sadly, this gets old as well. And after we've beaten the story mode and mercenaries, we're left with a shelf decoration, or maybe something to sell for store credit at EB Games.
All in all, this game is NOT worth buying. If you want to play it, rent it with a friend. It will be more fun, and you can make jokes about it. Don't expect a profound experience out of this game.
Dude, you should have just posted it in a separate review thread.
 

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Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
 

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When it says "The Incredible Hulk" it should have a stroke through it. This was written on FB and didn't transfer to TE.
 

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King7s said:
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
You've got to be kidding me. I've been further even more decided to use even go need to do look more as anyone can. Can you really be far even as decided half as much to use go wish for that? My guess is that when one really been far even as decided once to use even go want, it is then that he has really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like. It's just common sense
 

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SteveBurger said:
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SteveBurger said:
Overreact much? You didn't like it. The reviewers on Xbox Magazine did. Don't get your panties in a bunch every time somebody likes something you don't.

Also, is it really smart to post something like this at any time, let alone while you're on probation?
Also angry.
That's just my style. I'm a rather angry guy.
How...exactly did that sound angry? My whole point was that OP sounded angry over nothing. He (or she) is the one getting his/her panties in a bunch. You know, first sentence has an unnecessary "fucking" adjective, "THIS WILL NOT DO," all that angry sounding stuff?
 

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No challenge? Maybe on easy, but expert is tough as nails. One little mistake and your back to the safe house (normal can be rough in L4D2 also, or maybe I'm just a scrub.)

As for the story and character development, it wouldn't of worked in this type of game. It cuts out the bullshit, puts you in the place of a survivor who knows nothing about the situation and forces your to survive.

EDIT: 15 minutes, seriously? That is not enough time to gather a respectable opinion on any form of entertainment.
 

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Yeah, man, the title, and nearly EVERY review tells you that the game is a multiplayer experience ("Left !!4!! Dead") should have been the indicator).

It's a damned fun time wehn playing with others, single p layer is designed to be more of a test-run/endurance test for t he strong-willed who are willing to suffer through shitty friendly AI.

Versus is also a helluva lotta fun online.
Give it another shot, dude, definately note it as an online experience though...

I mean, hell, whould you knock "Counter-Strike", "Unreal Tournement" of "Team Fortress" for having shitty single player?
 

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Valve tricked me! How was I supposed to know that a game called "Left 4 Dead" that advertises killing hundreds of zombies with several other players wouldn't contain strong character development or a detailed backstory? Next you'll tell Portal isn't about eating gumdrops and shitting rainbows.
 

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Mr. Eff said:
But looking through an XBox magazine today I saw another glowing review of this game with an overall score of 9 . This beat out other games that I loved including Silent Hill: Homecoming and both of the Condemned games.
THIS WILL NOT DO.

I LOL'D

you sir, are a riot.


but seriously,
Mr. Eff said:
This was about as far as I got. What I gathered was that this was a giant gore orgy which consists of moving from A to B, shooting anything that moves. With no characters or particularily interesting environments it's just shooting.
that's the point of l4d.

i don't see the issue here.
l4d just clearly isn't the game for you.
quit whining. move on.


unless you believe that by whining about it, l4d will suddenly develop a shitty single player campaign with needless exposition and worse dialogue, explaining in obnoxious detail how the zombies came to be and the entire life stories of the four survivors?
 

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Mr. Eff said:
The thing as, the reviews were saying the great things about it (and why everyone should like it).

if the reviewers told you to jump off a bridge, would you?

--your mum