My top 10 gripes with Skyrim.
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I only have one gripe, which is the broken FUCKING Thieves Quest that means I can't make progress in this segment of the game. Just one gripe, but a big one.
I don't know what game are you playing, but I'm playing the suposedly majestic, epic, GOTY, best RPG evar(as most people say) Skyrim.R.Wijngaarden said:
Sure some of these things can be fixed by mods, but that doesn't excuse Bethesda for making a shit game. Should I give them a pass simply because I can mod their game?
My comp is core 2 duo, 4GB RAM, Geforce 240 1GB. Sure it's not high-end, but all of todays game run just fine on it. The problem is that Skyrim is a console port(a very bad one) and is not optimized(I'm sure you saw the dozens of mods that try to fix the framerate and the countless thread on how to optimize the game)
Deadly dragons mod is your friend.Nomanslander said:
Unless you are playing console.Bethesda aren't masters of console ports.
http://www.skyrimnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=3829
What are you talking about? Have you seen the gaming boards on this forum? Most of our game discussions consist of whining about things we don't like. In fact, whining about Skyrim isn't even the most common one (See Bioware related topics).Biodeamon said:
Anyway, in no particular order:
- Many quests consist out of "Accept quest, enter dungeon, get item and return it" and nothing more. It would be a bit more refreshing if I didn't have to keep doing the exact same thing ten times in a row
- The crashing! What the hell is wrong with this game?! Why are so many people suffering from CTD's for no reason? It doesn't happen when I do something specific, it just happens randomly and it's starting to get fucking annoying. I tried every common fix for this and nothing works.
- There are actually multiple mods that make the game work more efficiently (FPS improvement and such). This is something that should have happened before the game went out, but I suppose it's Bethesda once again shoving tons of work into the hands of modders as always. Also, who created that UI? Seriously, what the fuck? Thank god for the SkyUI mod.
- Combat is still somewhat dull as always. I should have gone with magic instead of Melee and Ranger style of gameplay.
- The Bethesda writing team does not consist out of great writers, let's just leave it at that and not point out in detail how low quality most sidequests are (probably due to the sheer amount of them, which I find a retarded thing to do. I'd rather have less sidequests of longer length and higher quality writing, such as the companions and thief guild quests), how bad the main plot is, how badly written and shallow most characters are.
- The ridiculous amount of bugs, the horrifyingly bad AI, useless marriage and tons of other nitpicking.
- You need to leave. You need to leave. You need to leave. You need to leave. You need to leave. You need to leave. You need to leave. You need to leave. You need to leave. You need to leave. You need to leave. You need to leave. You need to leave. You need to leave. You need to leave. You need to leave. You need to leave. You need to leave. You need to leave.
I don't dislike the game, mind you. Why would I put 60+ hours into a game I don't like? It's just that this isn't the kind of RPG I enjoy most. Skyrim is absolutely nothing more than doing things that do not matter for people who do not care in a lifeless world, accompanied by an awful plot, bad dialogue and voice acting. The thing is, it's still fun, but not in the "THIS IS WHAT RPG'S SHOULD STRIFE FOR" kind of way. It's just a brain-dead game, which is fun at times. My kind of RPG is more towards the Planescape: Torment, Kotor 2 et cetera side.
Yeah, the game can be very unbalanced, especially if you're using exploits. It's still a hell of a lot of fun. But I can't wait for CT to come out for PC so modders can make a proper community rebalance overhaul.
Nomanslander said:
I love Skyrim, but lately I find myself playing other games instead. The main reason for this, I think, is that I find the game to be somewhat soulless. By that I mean that because of all the many, many, many quests, the game lacks some overarching purpose. Of course, one could say that this is inherent to the genre, but it's starting to bug me. There are so many things to do for characters and a story that matter so little, that I sometimes find myself asking why I should continue.
The voice acting and sometimes downright crappy dialogue aren't helping much either. Don't get me wrong, I feel that Bethesda has accomplished a lot by creating such a big game in so relatively little time, but the dialogue options and same 10 voice actors keep bothering me.
Oh and one final thing: the difficulty spike. I can't tell you how many times I've walked into a dungeon, killed every bandit in there with a single strike, only to be killed within 2 seconds by their boss.
I'm a big fan of stories in games, which might be why Skyrim just doesn't cut it for me and seems to be a bit... soulless. Fun. But soulless nonetheless.
The voice acting and sometimes downright crappy dialogue aren't helping much either. Don't get me wrong, I feel that Bethesda has accomplished a lot by creating such a big game in so relatively little time, but the dialogue options and same 10 voice actors keep bothering me.
Oh and one final thing: the difficulty spike. I can't tell you how many times I've walked into a dungeon, killed every bandit in there with a single strike, only to be killed within 2 seconds by their boss.
I'm a big fan of stories in games, which might be why Skyrim just doesn't cut it for me and seems to be a bit... soulless. Fun. But soulless nonetheless.
I dunno...
Your issues can be easily resolved with "wait for mods" and "don't use that feature then".
While on that : Morrowind - if i'm not mistaking - was first BETHESDAs game that officially supported mods and even delivered tools for creating such. Since then i find it pointless to discuss issues with vanilla sandbox crpgs made by BETHESDA. Despite being more or less finite products i still recognize them as "frameworks", a compilator for modders and their inventions.
"You don't like it, change it yourself or wait for someone to do that job". It's as simple as that.
Your issues can be easily resolved with "wait for mods" and "don't use that feature then".
While on that : Morrowind - if i'm not mistaking - was first BETHESDAs game that officially supported mods and even delivered tools for creating such. Since then i find it pointless to discuss issues with vanilla sandbox crpgs made by BETHESDA. Despite being more or less finite products i still recognize them as "frameworks", a compilator for modders and their inventions.
"You don't like it, change it yourself or wait for someone to do that job". It's as simple as that.
Go on, don't be shy...DalekJaas said:
NV isn't Bethesdas production.70R4N said:
I was fine up till this. The material hasn't gone away. Hell, Bay12 I constantly get redirected to old (and awesome) games.Manji187 said:
To Manji:
Because its simple and because Bethesda are good at making you feel so badass it doesn't matter. I mean fuck, first time I was hunting a mammoth it wasn't anything special. At the time? I was pretty much tingling during the entire fight.
Sure they learned, that's why Skyrim is the way it is.70R4N said:
Despite risking an ignition of flamewar here i'll say that NV is for me not only badly written. It's probably dullest, worst sandbox game i ever played and its DLCs doesn't change this impression a bit. I find both Skyrim AND F3 superior to NV in every way.
And by visitng some forums and gamers communities, listening to some complaints and arguments i know that i'm not alone.
My only gripe is the lag when I pause or leave an area (on xbox), fortunately I've worked out that you can find out if you've crashed properly by hitting the power button on the controller and listening for the menu noise, then I just sit and wait for it to kick back in.
Actually I also hate Lydia, but that's because I accidentally killed her half way up a mountain in the middle of nowhere and had to lug all the crap I'd made her carry to the nearest town. That and when we were in a town before that, I killed someone's goat and Lydia decided she just HAD to kill some guards, so she earned me a 5k bounty and I ran away on a stolen horse (stolen without being seen TYVM).
Actually I also hate Lydia, but that's because I accidentally killed her half way up a mountain in the middle of nowhere and had to lug all the crap I'd made her carry to the nearest town. That and when we were in a town before that, I killed someone's goat and Lydia decided she just HAD to kill some guards, so she earned me a 5k bounty and I ran away on a stolen horse (stolen without being seen TYVM).
I don't hvae the game yet, but these seem like pretty trivial things. The game must be really good.
I can think of a lot of worse games.
I can think of a lot of worse games.
1) If you think stealth is OP. Try a pure mage. They put out so much damage, and can self-heal so well, that they make pure stealth look like a joke. Or for that matter, a Pure board and sword is damn powerful too, once you get past level 10. The fact is, just about every "class" is OP in this game past level 10ish on the standard difficulty. Turn the difficulty up.Nomanslander said:
2) I don't see this myself. I love enemy mages cuz they're easy to squish. I don't need cheap tactics, at all. Just power attack with a melee and 1/2 their health is gone. With range, you should be stealthed. And if you're pure mage put a healing spell in one hand and your newest version of fiery death in the other and nothing in the game can stop you.
3) It takes all of 2 seconds to find what you want, and I put everything in my quick menu, so it can't be any longer for you. If it's really one of your top ten issues, I have to assume you are using the menu every 3 seconds in combat, which is more of a player exploiting the game problem than a game problem
4) This is a bathesda thing. It's been that way since at least morrowind. And while I would like to see a more realistic stealth mechanic, just because you know I'm there, doesn't mean you know where I am. And I should be able to get sneak attack as long as you don't know where I am. I would love to see them make this a little more realistic, but with a high sneak skill there is no reason why you shouldn't be able to get 3 or more sneak attacks on the same target. Their behavior should change, but it shouldn't be an auto detect.
5) I agree. Although again, I suspect some of this would be alleviated by turning up the difficulty. I don't because I play bathesda games for the feeling of being an all-powerful god of death, allowing the mortals in my path to live only because it would be too much of a hassle to extinguish them. Still, it would be nice to see the dragons get more difficult
6) This is not a game mechanic problem, it's a player exploiting the game problem. You could do the same thing with every fight in the game. Or every attempt at robbing a house. I would like to see the percentages disappear but only because that's not how a person thinks. i would like to see under 40% show up as "Can't steal it," 40-70% show up as "maybe" and above 70% as "Probably." Or something like that. i don't really care what the exact percentages are.
7) I haven't noticed this, but I don't pay attention to graphics. However, I would notice if they were as bad as morrowind so I will just assume that you were exaggerating and take your word for it that they are of a lower quality.
8) I do agree here. I would like to see potions get qued up to say 10 and take time to drink. I don't want a realistic time, but something like 1/2 a second each and have them drank in sequence to prevent me from instantly drinking my inventory of health potions would be nice.
9) It's a world of chaos, it makes sense that a lot of people would have things that needed doing. Still, it would me nice if random quests didn't just suddenly show up from random people in town. It would be nice to see a feature where quest givers go to a tavern when they have a quest to give out. That would be a little more realistic, but I don't think it would interfere with radiant story. It would also give me a reason to go to taverns.
10) Completely agree. I can see how it would be hard to do this for every quest, but couldn't you program in people who can replace the major quest-givers, and put them somewhere that is safe from random acts of dragon. Maybe some of them don't even exist until the main quest-giver is killed.