My top 10 gripes with Skyrim.
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That's a good point. But then again, I'd be hard pressed to think of a single action-oriented game that didn't involve mass homicide. The concept of a main character who runs around massacring various bandits and mercenaries without a care in the world is something that has been inherent to games from the very beginning. Accepting that certain people are just "bad guys" who have to die is an integral part of the belief-suspending process. It was never a problem with classic RPGs like Baldur's Gate or Final Fantasy or even old-school pen-and-paper.TheWulf said:
Also, on the other hand, I could imagine building a very interesting setting based around having genocidal maniacs and blood-soaked conflicts around every corner, like Game of Thrones or Planescape: Torment. Both are very engaging despite the fact that characters seem to have very short life-spans.
No, I think the real problem is very simple: bad writing. And in almost all cases of bad writing, the root of it is thoughtlessness. Either they were too rushed to put thought into their quests and characters, or just couldn't be arsed to get any more creative than "Go to X, get Y, bring it to me."
Yes, it's that weird thing only Bethesda can pull off of having a game full of bugs and game breaking imbalances, and yet completely keep us enthralled and wanting more. I can't explain it, don't know if anyone really can. But I'll probably put another 100 hours into the game before I get tired and finally move onto Drake's Deception or TOR. Games that just have been sitting there since I bought them collecting dust.NoneOfYourBusiness said:
Oh trust me, there are a ton of imbalances I've avoided in order to keep the game as challenging and balanced as I can. But it shouldn't be my job to do so. A gamer has all the right to try and break the game as he/she sees fit, it suppose to be the developers best interest to prevent that from happening...That is at least what I call balance.Skoosh said:
Now if Skyrim was a MP with player vs player action, that's when shit would have really been hitting the fan...-_-
I've only just reached the end of 'Act 1' in the main quest and my only real gripes so far are:
1. I suppose it's due to OP stealth but my gripe is not about the stealth itself. It's about the fact that I shot a bandit from a shadow in a cave and him and his friend started looking for me. They walked right past me without detecting me BUT, as they went past they stared RIGHT AT ME. Literally 5ft away from me and they were walking past me but their heads were turned CLEARLY LOOKING AT ME. That's really quite annoying and the first time it happened I panicked a little because I thought I would be detected for sure. It also does my head in that when you enter a tavern or anywhere with a few people in it, they all stare at you for the entire time you're there.
2. The fact that it likes to crash. I've developed quick save paranoia and I save pretty much every time I kill something, pick something up, get a quest, whatever. Anything that I can't be arsed re-doing, I save straight away. Basically, when I press F12 to take a Steam screenshot, usually it will take a screenshot, but an oddly large amount of times, it opts to shut the game down entirely.
1. I suppose it's due to OP stealth but my gripe is not about the stealth itself. It's about the fact that I shot a bandit from a shadow in a cave and him and his friend started looking for me. They walked right past me without detecting me BUT, as they went past they stared RIGHT AT ME. Literally 5ft away from me and they were walking past me but their heads were turned CLEARLY LOOKING AT ME. That's really quite annoying and the first time it happened I panicked a little because I thought I would be detected for sure. It also does my head in that when you enter a tavern or anywhere with a few people in it, they all stare at you for the entire time you're there.
2. The fact that it likes to crash. I've developed quick save paranoia and I save pretty much every time I kill something, pick something up, get a quest, whatever. Anything that I can't be arsed re-doing, I save straight away. Basically, when I press F12 to take a Steam screenshot, usually it will take a screenshot, but an oddly large amount of times, it opts to shut the game down entirely.
Yes it's a gaming forum, but we both know why this person is saying enough with the Skyrim threads. It has nothing to do with Boedeamon's like of Skyrim, it has to do with the fact that since its release every other thread has been about Skyrim.Anthraxus said:
Posts like this have also been done to death. It's been almost 2 months. We've all heard about these problems with Skyrim over and over again.
Yeah it's a gaming forum, but we should be able to say enough is enough with the Skyrim threads. OP should've looked up any of the hundreds of complaint posts about Skyrim instead of helping clog the Escapist forums with literally the same post again.
It's degrading the community on this site. This Skyrim kick is worse than COD hating posts.
What with the arrows in knees and complaints.
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Skyrim first comes out, forums are full of threads about how amazing Skyrim is and how it's the best game ever made.Biodeamon said:
Little bit of time passes, forums are full of threads about everything that's wrong with Skyrim.
Everything is going just as I predicted, soon there will be a bunch of threads about how Skyrim is crap and Morrowind is the best TES game ever.
Yeah, I won't have anything to do with the third step, of course I agree and highly doubt it not happening considering the behavior of the average gaming nerd.Dirty Hipsters said:
But honestly, I still love the game, and really that plays a major reason why I'm also quite disappointed with how little effort Bethesda once again placed in balancing it out (if I didn't love the game, I wouldn't be complaining as much, I would have forgotten about the game and moved onto TOR online by now, but I can't -_-).
Forget the bugs. I can deal with enemies bugging out running back and forth like crazy as I arrow them to death. Stuff like that isn't intended. What I can't stand is easily out smarting enemies as I have, pulling no brainers like running in and out of loading areas to lose enemies, shit I remember pulling in games back in 2000 for the Xbox and PS2, that and shitty PC games....-_-
Naaaaaaaaaaaaah. You're simply unreasonable.TheWulf said:
We're not talking about simply world simulator. It's world simulator depicting PARTICULAR world.
It's war torn, violent country on the verge of destruction, not unlike the Ragnarok.
Skyrim is believable, intelligent representation of such setting. Violence is part of it and it was pretty obvious even before its release that you'll have to stain your hands with blood if you enter this world. You weren't promised anything else, you got what you've bought.
There's no need to ***** about it.
It's cRPG. Closer to Hack and Slash than actual Role-Play, but still, it's cRPG.Blablahb said:
Those who yell loudest will be the ones who get heard.Dirty Hipsters said:
If it was PvP, then yes, it would be their job to make sure there were no abuses, but it's not. And if you look at the rest of my post, I completely agree that they did a shitty job balancing the game and it's their job to do it right in the first place. If I want to play a sneaky character, I should still be able to have a challenge. I want to be an alchemist, but if I do it right even master mode is easy. That's their fault.Nomanslander said:
I'm saying don't do it for when people completely break the game then complain about it. Abusing the save system to keep from failing pickpockets, then complaining pickpockets are too easy is stupid. I have zero sympathy there. That's the equivalent of hacking the game then getting bored because you can't die. It's not their job to make sure you don't break your own toy, just that it works when played with properly.
The only spots I'm not completely sure about are in-game easy fixes. If you trained your sneak to 100 against the stormcloak at the start that can never die, that's your fault abusing a minor glitch. But on the other hand, there's no reason they had to make him 100% invincible, or let him give experience. That was an abuse I found out on my very very first play-through. I went down the wrong path, couldn't go back, so I tried to kill him to show I was a battle-born imperial. Then I found out he couldn't die, so crouched a stabbed him 50 times in the back and got my sneak super-high just to see if I could. I quickly restarted, because I decided it wouldn't be fun starting out that strong (and really, you have to go out of your way to break it like that) but it should have been an easy spot and an easy fix for them. But anyway, yes, you have the right to break it, but no, not to complain when you went out of your way to intentionally do so.
Play Fallout: New Vegas. You will hate limited consumables. Additionally, alot of your complaints seem to be the player's choice (well, not all, but the Barbas shit and pickpocketing exploits [all exploits are, in my opinion, your fault if you abuse them, not the game makers'] as well as the consumables) and can easily be avoided if you don't try to use them. I agree with the dragon comment and the FRICKING PYRO/NECROMANCER/NECROMAGE considering I spent an hour yesterday reloading a save so I could kill a single OP Necro-something.Nomanslander said:
Well thank you for letting me know your opinion on this matter, even though I completely disagree with you in every sense.SeaTimeless said:
To be honest, its more interesting when things are somewhat unbalanced. We should be happy that a game gives us the option to combine various things to give 30x damage in a single backstab.
Anyway OP, don't fucking save and reload before everything if you don't want to be able to reload each time you fail at something.
Anyway OP, don't fucking save and reload before everything if you don't want to be able to reload each time you fail at something.
...But the endless praise and hype it receives is perfectly fine, right?Biodeamon said:
The number of topics and posts praising/hyping Skyrim absolutely dwarfs the number of complaints.
Not that I disagree with there being too many *redundant* topics about the game; at one point over 75% of the front page of Gaming Discussion was nothing but fucking Skyrim.