Naughty Dog is...Making a Zombie Game?
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It could very well be interesting, Naughty Dog is a damn good developer.
But seriously, another zombie game? Unless this game actually puts out something innovative for the zombie genre like having to build and maintain a fort, wandering out to find supplies and having to make it back in time, interact with other survivors, actually making ammo scarce and an integral part of fighting, and, you know, actually have some surviving in a zombie survival game (seriously, most zombie games just give you loads of ammo and are basically shooting galleries by the end, there is some real potential for a survival zombie game that nobody has yet to even bother with), then it will interest me further.
As it stands, I take this game with a pillar of salt, as well as any hyping of the "mature" story with "character driven experiences" or some other stupid PR bull. I have become so jaded with game companies trying to hype up their unoriginal, retreaded games, especially against anything regarding storytelling (I'm looking at you Homefront, Call of Juarez: The Cartel...) it's just sad.
I probably sound bitter, but basically this;
EDIT: Also, one must consider how Naughty Dog has made their stories so far, mainly with the Uncharted series and how they think of the setpieces first, then make the story around it. And while that can make for a good story, nothing in the Uncharted series has ever been that deep or complex or whatever, and the trailer that they showed us looks to me that they want to go the more mature, thoughtful route. Only time will tell if they succeed, but for now I will be watching cautiously.
But seriously, another zombie game? Unless this game actually puts out something innovative for the zombie genre like having to build and maintain a fort, wandering out to find supplies and having to make it back in time, interact with other survivors, actually making ammo scarce and an integral part of fighting, and, you know, actually have some surviving in a zombie survival game (seriously, most zombie games just give you loads of ammo and are basically shooting galleries by the end, there is some real potential for a survival zombie game that nobody has yet to even bother with), then it will interest me further.
As it stands, I take this game with a pillar of salt, as well as any hyping of the "mature" story with "character driven experiences" or some other stupid PR bull. I have become so jaded with game companies trying to hype up their unoriginal, retreaded games, especially against anything regarding storytelling (I'm looking at you Homefront, Call of Juarez: The Cartel...) it's just sad.
I probably sound bitter, but basically this;
It could very well be a decent game in itself, and I do love Naughty Dog with their well-made games, but that's really all they give; well-made games, nothing groundbreaking or really envelope-pushing. If they can separate this game from the hordes of other zombie games out there that are basically just meat in a box shooting galleries, then I may be interested.Gmans uncle said:
EDIT: Also, one must consider how Naughty Dog has made their stories so far, mainly with the Uncharted series and how they think of the setpieces first, then make the story around it. And while that can make for a good story, nothing in the Uncharted series has ever been that deep or complex or whatever, and the trailer that they showed us looks to me that they want to go the more mature, thoughtful route. Only time will tell if they succeed, but for now I will be watching cautiously.
But there nothing that proofs that this game is going to be any different. Oh sure they said its going to be a deep game but what other companies have said that about their game. It just sounds like its going to be like a RE5 game. Third person shooter with crappy AI.Savagezion said:
Plus your whole troll and humans being over use is sort of stupid. They are not shove in almost every game. Halo had a zombie like race the flood. Gears has a zombie like race the lambent. Or perhaps we should just call them a infection like race. Cause most games for some reason or another PUSH these types of enemies in their game.
I don't MIND zombies game, but it just seem all that ever comes out is just the same. I'm not trying to hate on this game but to get all hype up saying "This game is going to change the zombie market" its naive. I seen no proof that this game is going to be any better then the other main focus zombie games.
I'm really hoping Naughty Dog decide to focus on survival more than combat. The Bunker section in Uncharted had a really intense feel on Crushing. If they can re-create that feeling and magnify it, it'll no doubt fill the shoes of the dying survival genre.
It'd be really interesting if they had a heavy emphasis on ammo conservation and fight or flight. I don't know the limitations on current AI, but the moment in the trailer where he cocked the gun and it alerted the fungi to his location I instantly thought about how much more cautious I'd be and how much atmosphere it would add to a quite, seemingly empty building.
It'd be really interesting if they had a heavy emphasis on ammo conservation and fight or flight. I don't know the limitations on current AI, but the moment in the trailer where he cocked the gun and it alerted the fungi to his location I instantly thought about how much more cautious I'd be and how much atmosphere it would add to a quite, seemingly empty building.
That is a fair point. It may not be for you personally and that is fine. I am definitely not saying everyone has to like this game. I personally like Naughty Dogs approach to story telling and that is what will make this game different for me. Zombies alone can't draw me in but Naughty Dogs ability to tell a story with enjoyable characters can if the setting is good enough. For me, this setting is good enough.Outcast107 said:
I know it is hyperbole but the point is, it is an AI behavior thing. Having things "Zerg rush" offers a different kind of difficulty over monster that can take more damage. TO refer to every type of AI that uses the mob strategy a "zombie" is a fallacy. That would be like calling every AI with a lot of hit points a troll or a troll stand in.
That's a fair point. I am not saying this game will do anything of the sort. I am just tired of seeing "zombies are overplayed" as if it is indisputable. My only point was that people who are tired of zombies, did it to themselves. It isn't the market's fault.
I think the problem is the same that people have with CoD and we were just hit with a massive wave of zombie games where the zombies are the same exact thing.
If we do have more zombie games the zombies better have personality or something distinct.
I think we use zombies because they're like robots and make for good 'almost humanoid' enemies that we can kill indiscriminately. We don't have to worry about race when killing zombies (or mutants) (unless you're RE5)
Yes, zombies have been used in games since the early days of gaming, but there hasn't been this rush of them being the featured part of the game until this generation. I think the worst was the Red Dead Redemption: Undead Apocalypse is the worst offender of jumping on the zombie crazy. And they're all western style zombies. We need some of them supernatural asian zombies. That'll mix things up.
If we do have more zombie games the zombies better have personality or something distinct.
I think we use zombies because they're like robots and make for good 'almost humanoid' enemies that we can kill indiscriminately. We don't have to worry about race when killing zombies (or mutants) (unless you're RE5)
Yes, zombies have been used in games since the early days of gaming, but there hasn't been this rush of them being the featured part of the game until this generation. I think the worst was the Red Dead Redemption: Undead Apocalypse is the worst offender of jumping on the zombie crazy. And they're all western style zombies. We need some of them supernatural asian zombies. That'll mix things up.
Fair enough. Glad we had this talk though I do hope this game is different. Though from the looks of it (To me) its just going to get hype beyond reasoning (I mean it, go look at the IGN forms and see how much they are saying this game is going to be the best game ever in the comments.) I probably wouldn't have made this post if I wasn't peeve a bit from just how much hype this got from just one trailer. Reminds me about Brink, Dead Island and Halo 3 since those games got tones of hype I believe. At least the last two did.Savagezion said:
It seems like the non-zombie zombie, so Naughty Dog has a lot of room to make a creature they want to make.
See, this is actually refreshing because almost every other zombie game/DLC/expansion has been like "LOL, zombies," especially if it's an existing franchise that gets zombie DLC. This actually looks like a more serious take on zombies and survival horror, something that's more than welcome for me.
I knew he look familar!RatRace123 said:Oh, and one other thing:
Doesn't the guy look totally like the default male Hawke in DA2?
I.
this sure as hell not disappoint me like Dead Island.
Then again, these guys made made Jak and Dexter.
Well, I'm not exactly happy it's a zombie game, but, it's Naughty Dog, and they haven't failed me yet. Besides, it still looks remotely interesting, makes me kinda wish to get another PS3. Though I want to reserve full judgement until I see some gameplay and more story details.
Oh, don't get me started on the whole Dead Island crap (though I probably will anyway). I know trailers aren't supposed to give you an accurate portrayal of the gameplay, but they at least give you an idea as to what the developers are aiming for. Dead Island was the biggest bait-n-switch ever, and honestly it was enough to turn me off the game. They showed a little girl and her whole family getting killed in a pretty gruesome way, and with the result that Dead Island turned out to be, I honestly found it disgusting and it was enough to turn me off the game. I'm not against (yet another) zombie co-op romp and whatnot, but at least be honest with your customers if you're making one.Outcast107 said:
I have way more faith in Naughty Dog than in Techland/Deep Silver for their bullshit attempt at a "deep" zombie game. And they still try to act like the game they made was anywhere near what the original trailer showed. Absolute bullshit.
Again, my bitterness/jadedness with the whole games industry is really showing, and I really can't help it. There is so much potential with these games, yet developers are intent to just do the same old bullcrap again, dressing it up as if they're still doing something meaningful, innovating barely an iota at a time. It's ridiculous at this point.
HECK YEAH!
This game -Cannot- Go wrong!
/sarcasm.
In truth, the first time i say zombies i went "Awww nooo" like, i imagine, a lot of people. Then i remembered that this is Naughty Dog making this game -That's a Very, Very good sign- and that, in reality, being a zombie game is also a very, very good thing. While most people may think that Zombie games are flooding the market, i dont see it lie this- i WANT more zombies.
This game -Cannot- Go wrong!
/sarcasm.
In truth, the first time i say zombies i went "Awww nooo" like, i imagine, a lot of people. Then i remembered that this is Naughty Dog making this game -That's a Very, Very good sign- and that, in reality, being a zombie game is also a very, very good thing. While most people may think that Zombie games are flooding the market, i dont see it lie this- i WANT more zombies.
They aren't really zombies guys. The little reports about it say they are mutants and the trailer shows them looking more mutated than zombified. Whereas I think the survival horror theme is being beaten to death, I kind of like this game already. Only time will tell I guess.
Which is why I don't put any faith in any game company. Sure I may have a few favorites but I don't let that blind me in seeing a game. Sure, naughty dog might make a good zombie game but it won't be anything new. It will probably act and feel like RE5 most likely.Jumplion said:
Since they show two characters most likely it will be Co-op. So probably have to deal with a AI or get a friend to play with. As I said before I don't mind people getting excited for a game. I do at times to, but with comments saying "naughty dog can do no wrong" and "Best zombie game ever!" is a little...hmm whats the word I'm looking for. Annoying?
Anyways, hopefully they do change the market but from a lot of "infection" type games, they normally just go with action type gameplay. Which is fine, but not what people are looking for.
This looks like a fresh nex look on zombie games. Mutated zombies, set years after the fall of society, but most importantly: plants. Not everything died because people did, it's so innovative!
P.S. It's sad when a game stands out because it includes something we see on a daily basis.
P.S. It's sad when a game stands out because it includes something we see on a daily basis.