Neosage's rant on WoW and life (don't pay any attention I just have to get this out of my system)

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Like it or not WoW is simply put the best MMO out there right now, and I've tried others like Age Of Conan, and Warhammer Online which had the potential to be better. Truth be told most of the MMOs developed out there are full of promises that never see fruitition, and are rarely polished to the point that they should be.

WoW succeeded and was able to set the standards it did (though interface and such) by having a truely astronomical budget. It was something substantial like sixty million dollars (I think I can't remember exactly) years ago (since prices have gone up) and the producers fronting that money were willing to leave the developers alone and finish it on their own time.

The problem is that nobody succeeds to the same level because noone is really willing to invest that amount of capitol to see the development. What's more even with say one third the budget (with each dollar being worth a little less proportionaly as well) you have the producers also riding the dev team demanding that they want to see returns on their twenty million dollars right bloody now.

A lot of people dislike WoW because it's mainstream and successful, and I can sort of get that, especially seeing as the genere HAS kind of stagnated around it. But that doesn't change the quality of WoW (especially allowing for the time it's existed), or really explain why few games can compete with it, most only having one or two gimmicks, and the fact that they aren't WoW (for the burn outs and people who hate anything mainstream).

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Despite 11 million players, it should be understood WoW is at it's heart an RPG. RPG games aren't for everyone. I mean heck, look at Yahtzee. If the idea of levels, stat driven content, and being able to follow certain formulas to success (playing your role) isn't your cup of tea to begin with, WoW will do *NOTHING* to change that for you.

A shared enviroment has the advantage of being able to meet other RPGers (though not nessicarly RPers), and team up with them for differant objectives. BUT it also has the disadvantage of having to be fairly generic in the content for the most part (ie quests to kill 5 of these, or fetch something and bring it back) since the world doesn't truely revolve around any one character. WoW has tried to make things a little more personally immersive with some clever usage of instancing and the like in it's latest expansion, but such events are relatively uncommon, and come sandwiched inbetween long bouts of the generic game play that enviroments sharded beyond a tiny handfull of people require.


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One thing to also remember (this going mostly towards the MMO veterans out there) is that these games can be downright rough to get started in. Serious MMO players usually get involved in a game from the beginning and come up along with the game. Even if you don't rush to be in the first wave, there were always a lot of other people running around at the same level as you to do things with, and who arguably didn't know anything more than you.

Some guy who logs into an established server rapidly finds himself running through nearly deserted newbie areas that have been abandoned by most of the game play community. Sure they might fine some guy starting a new character, but it's not reliable, and a lot of those guys are going to be twinked to the gills. Even if they aren't impatient with the real newbies, they are just playing an alt part time, and aren't really comitted to doing any of that content so can't be relied on to help the new player.

This is to say nothing of paranoia, since we've all run into lowbies of high level guys running around acting helpless so they can receive gifts "for fun".

The economies also get nuked. I mean in natural progression there is all kinds of stuff for sale around your level at prices you can afford (by their nature). In an established twink economy, a new player starting with no resources is in a rough spot.

The point here being that some guy who "finally tries WoW" without any preconceived notions is NOT nessicarly going to see the same game a lot of those 11 million players saw. Sure, maybe he'll get lucky and run into some established player who will actually teach him how to play and give away enough stuff to balance the wasted economy (at least for the low levels), but then again maybe not.

Understand that for a WoW veteran and perhaps some jaded designers it seems "simple" that a brand new player could login to the game, and then sell overpriced stacks of low-level herbs and ore and such to twinks trying to powerlevel their skills without wanting to go hunt for the stuff themselves. People that oftentimes forget that it might very well have taken them a week of running around cautiously, and not wanting to head to the wrong place by accident, before they even got to the Auction House for the first time.


A lot of rambling, but the point is that I think WoW is misunderstood from all perspectives.

Honestly, if you think you'd like WoW, unless you have RELIABLE friends who are playing, I'd suggest waiting for a new MMO to launch and try and get in on the ground floor. Even if the game is mediocre it will be more approchable and long-term server development won't taint any impressions or confuse the game itself from what the game evolves into.

If you tend not to like RPGs to begin with, and especially the idea of simple quests and 'hunting' a bunch of monsters constantly, then honestly WoW isn't going to change any minds.
 

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Well, whenever i get tired of WoW, as one does after a while, I find that the best thing to do is to just drop the game and pick it up after a day or two of doing something else. I happen to be on a WoW hiatus right at this moment. By the way, I play a blood elf hunter on the maelstrom serverm so anyone who wants to contact me on WoW, just send me a message when i get on.
 

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Souplex said:
World of warcraft is simply modernized natural selection. People who are stupid enough to play start getting fatter and slower and becoming less productive. This makes them less attractive to the opposite sex unless they have some weird fetishes and therfore less likely to breed effectively removing them from the gene pool.
Does every other game on the planet make you super buff?

Eedjit, how can you really make assumptions like that about people just because they happen to like a game you don't like? I hate guitar hero but I'm not about to go calling everyone who likes it.
 

Spartan Bannana

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Your pretty much right on all points there. I only play WoW in the off season of gaming(Summer and Spring) And even then I'm outside a lot.
 

Gotham Soul

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I appreciate how your review was unbiased Neosage, and you're right, the game probably isn't for you. It wasn't your thing and you were honest about it. That kind of review I can appreciate.

And I'd post my viewpoint, but for that I refer you to Richard Groovy Pant's posts on the first page.
 

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Richard Groovy Pants said:
Albeit I had friends who taught me how to actually communicate with other human beings.
I tried making friends in WoW, but everyone was either an asshole or spoke a different language.

And it's not a simple matter of playing for an hour or two before the game gets really good. You can play for HUNDREDS of hours to get to the level cap. And I've played on a friends character, and even at the highest level it's NOT FUN. There's HOURS of downtime before you do anything with a big group because everyone has to go through a bunch of bullshit before they can kill one simple monster.

I don't see how people get addicted to this game. Before I played my friends character, the only reason I could play for more than 20 minutes was the hope that maybe it would get as fun as everyone says in a few levels. But I still couldn't tolerate the games endless stream of bullshit for more than an hour at a time.

This game sucks worse than ET for the Atari.
 

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I'm not sure why everyone thinks you have to be end-game to have fun doing ragefire chasm with my lvl 19 guild leader was some of the best gaming experiences I've ever had because I didn't ask how to do it or told how to play or that I'm not playing right (Fury warrior/ Titans grip if I ignored everyone who told me to go arms then barrens and trade chat would be empty)thats also the reason why I loved my first few days of Wotlk just guessing how bosses worked and such.

Anyhow about the rant, I've proven myself time and again to be a WoW fanboy but I don't mind someone not liking my game so long as they are able to give a decent reason and not just "i hate it coz it's ubah noobzors go play a real game like Warhammer(not dissing just a example)" and even those people can go ahead say what they want. It's your opinion educated or not, I'm still going to keep buying 3 gamecards a year and no one is going to change that.
 

Neosage

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Oh and thank
Richard Groovy Pants said:
Wilson presented me with this little (albeit useful) add-on for Firefox called AutoSaveTextToCookie [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/6419]. It's really a life saver because if you have the unfortunate event of hitting the back space or your browser crashing or even your PC locking up, it will save the text you already inputed on the reply box.
Ah thank you so much, it even managed to it from this morning.
 

Simple_Snow

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[Insert WoW addicts fantasizing about how awesome their game is in their dreams here]

I thought it was already known that this game is a load of rubbish? What on earth possessed you to actually spend money on it?
 

Neosage

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Simple_Snow said:
[Insert WoW addicts fantasizing about how awesome their game is in their dreams here]

I thought it was already known that this game is a load of rubbish? What on earth possessed you to actually spend money on it?
How can you possibly know something is bad without trying it?
 

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Log Dropper M.D. said:
I played the game for a year when it first came out, did all the end content.

It really is a horrible game. Once you get to the end game content you're basically repeating the same things over and over again, which is pretty much what the early game was, except when you're a lowbie it's new and exciting. Repeating things over and over only works if they are actually fun to do in the first place. Raiding is a mind numbing bore which requires little more than hitting 1 or 2 keys and listening to your uber nerd guild leader. Battlegrounds...get old quick. To continue putting yourself through this 'game' day in and day out requires a person to be somewhat insane.
What made you play it for so long?
 

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To anybody who says MMO games are like crack, I say I know multiple people who've tried crack and didn't get addictied to it. Sure, WoW was fun while it lasted, but I never got "addicted", and stopped playing simply because there was nothing more for me to do.
 

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Hmmm? well Im not going to say my story (over 30 in game days...over a couple years..and im a proffessor plum) but it sounds like you have a pretty nasty case of badserveritis. Suggestions: make sure to visit major cities often, you can find a group for almost any instance quickly in trade, and do some PvP as well. PvP is very fun. Try it... But stay away from battlegrounds you hate.
 

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meatloaf231 said:
archwiccan said:
Gxas said:
Your first, and in my opinion, only problem was that you played the game at your friends request and not fully out of your own will. I respect your opinion and I don't hate you for it at all. as to Bored Tomatoe, WoW isn't a "soul sucking game" like you and others think it is. All of my friends thought that they'd never see me again after I started playing but I actually have more free time than they all do and have a 73 hunter who is well on the way to 80. So don't say that this game ruins everyone's life if they even create a character. You're way wrong and terribly biased.
i am on the same page as this guy right here, most of the time the people who hate the game are people who havent had the chance to fuly explore the game and only base themselves off the minority of wow players, yes it sucked the soul of a few players but the other 10 mill all have social lives and plays with their wives and girl friends and only play it for an hour or two a day where the wrong in this?
Yeah, WoW isn't "Zomg all grindz!" like everyone seems to think. If you ever need proof of this, try, oh, I don't know, joining a group or running a dungeon. Oh man, heaven forbid you should even try the two things that make the game popular!

Face it: a grand majority of WoW critics only ever play solo and only grind, while the biggest, most important and fun parts of the game come from both being in groups with people and doing instances. Even monotonous quest grinding can be made enjoyable when you're doing it with other people.

Even so, the "grind" in WoW isn't traditional grind. It's not simply killing a single type of monster for two hours and moving on to the next one. The leveling is done by "grinding" quests, and the endgame "grind" is running the higher-level dungeons, which are very pretty and full of large bosses. Bosses are - dare I say it - fun.

If all you've gotten from WoW is grinding, my condolences, but you really haven't experienced anything the game has to offer. Most of the time, bias drives these little rants, so people go into the game expecting nothing but grind, so that's what they do. They grind intentionally, because they don't think there's anything else to do. It's like playing an FPS and just standing in the first level and shooting a wall. Sure, you're still shooting things, and technically you're playing the game, but don't say that the entire game is just shooting walls just because that's all you did.
Totally agree with that post mate. 100%. I've came across people saying the exact same things. Instances and raids are what make WoW in my opinion. Sure the PVP is pretty fun too, but the end-game raids are truly awesome.
 

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I have yet to play any MMORPG especially World of Warcraft, I like RPGs its just that I just will not play WOW....
 

GenHellspawn

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Aluathay said:
I have yet to play any MMORPG especially World of Warcraft, I like RPGs its just that I just will not play WOW....
Refusing to play a game just because of the irrelevant trivia surrounding it is stupid. That game could be an amazing experiance to you, but since you refuse to play it, you'll never get to have that enjoyment.