New Hitman Trailer Brings the Guns and the Nuns

[Deadyawn]

Guys can we at least hold off the hate till actual game play is out? from the few bits of game-play I've seen it is still stealth based, you can shot your way out but you could do that in the other games too, but your score and money suffer and that's probably how it works here to.

Again I'm not saying you have to like the game but can we hold off calling BETRAYAL! till we actually see the game, and how it all works?

If it does suck though I will be here calling BETRAYAL! with you.

Agreed. I am not optimistic about this game (to put it lightly) but its not like we can judge it quite yet. It's possible that they're just trying to attract the larger shooter demographic and that the wonderful sandbox garrot murder simulator is intact. Of course it doesn't quite seem that way from the gameplay we've seen so far though (which was infortunately linear (Although to be fair, the same could be said of blood money which had its tutorial as the demo which didn't reflect the actual game very well)).

 

[Prince Regent]

It's a pre rendered trailer people. The sort of trailer that we should ignore whether it's bad or good as it does not tell us anything about the actual game.

 

[ultimateownage]

Well they kind of missed the point of Hitman. Really badly. The gameplay trailer before looked off, and after Kane and Lynch? I'm not expecting much.

 

[jackanderson]

How did you get from Blood Money to this? Serious? Anyone?

Through 2 Kane & Lynch games!

Can't IO just admit that they don't want to make a Hitman game and get out whilst they can still save some face (hey, one half of an eye socket is still better than nothing)?

I've tried to remain optimistic seeing as Hitman games were always marketed poorly, but I cannot excuse this. I'm out. Plus, the attitudes towards women in this are just appalling! Who genuinely thought "I want to sexualise women but also show how much I hate them at the same time" was a brilliant idea?!

And the worst part, the absolute worst part, is that this is clearly only designed to court controversy. And, by us getting angry about it and ranting about it and talking about it, we're making it a success! Because, "Hey, there's no such thing as bad publicity!" Someone, somewhere, right now, is probably getting a big fat bonus due to this, technically, being a success.

Well, yet another clever and innovative series reduced to "Big guns go boom and tits" in search of that fickle mainstream audience.

And where the hell did the rocket launcher come from!!? Seriously!

Gorram it.

/rant.

Edit:Actually, this guy explains it so much better than I could.

That's the problem people have with it. The trailer presents female assassins, which is fine. Then it:

a.) Heavily sexualizes them
b.) Graphically brutalizes them

On the whole, people are fine with either. The average gamer isn't put off by sexy nuns. The average gamer is not put off by bone-cracking violence. But sexualizing a woman and then graphically beating the shit out of her is a little weird and squickifying, particularly in an environment this poker-faced and context-free, and carries dozens of unpleasant implications.

So it's more that people wish they'd pick one and stick with it, and since this is a Hitman game, they'd probably rather keep the graphic brutalization than the graphic sexification.

That's not to say mixing sexualization and violence is *impossible* to do without alienating the gamer. The boss in Saints Row the Third beats the crap out of plenty of kinda fetishy lady gangers throughout the game, and on the male side, blows up gimp rickshaws at one point. The difference is the tone. When the boss kills someone, it's often pretty brutal, but he also mugs for the camera, there's not a lot of gore and broken limbs, the moves are over-the-top, and the soundtrack is peppy and exciting. The tone in this trailer is bleak and serious, which makes things a little weirder and more alienating. I mean, look at that part at the end where he somberly bends down to close the lids of the black one. What the fuck was that?

 

[inquisiti0n]

Can't IO just admit that they don't want to make a Hitman game and get out whilst they can still save some face (hey, one half of an eye socket is still better than nothing)?

I've tried to remain optimistic seeing as Hitman games were always marketed poorly, but I cannot excuse this. I'm out. Plus, the attitudes towards women in this are just appalling! Who genuinely thought "I want to sexualise women but also show how much I hate them at the same time" was a brilliant idea?!

Hate? Really? Then by that standard, the game must be showing much more hate towards men, since they are no doubt the majority of 47's victims. Or is violence only unacceptable when it's sexualized, even when it's self-aware of how over the top it is? Secondly, why are the nuns the sole representation of women in this game in your view? They aren't the only female characters. Better yet, why can't they just have a female character without having the burden of using her as an outlet to represent all females in a positive way?

And the worst part, the absolute worst part, is that this is clearly only designed to court controversy. And, by us getting angry about it and ranting about it and talking about it, we're making it a success! Because, "Hey, there's no such thing as bad publicity!" Someone, somewhere, right now, is probably getting a big fat bonus due to this, technically, being a success.

Well, yet another clever and innovative series reduced to "Big guns go boom and tits" in search of that fickle mainstream audience.

If the controversy comes from people who are put off by the violence towards women, then it's their own fault, since it shouldn't be controversial in the first place because this isn't 1940. The fact that this feeling can even be exploited is all the more reason to abandon it.

If we're gonna excuse video games for violence under the pretense that it's all fake and that players understand the difference between reality and virtual reality, then let's not start making poorly justified excuses to exclude things that offend you. At least Jack Thompson is consistent in that regard.

 

[Scrythe]

I'm going against the grain here, and admitting that I find this rather interesting. It might be the first Hitman game that I won't hate.

Because honestly, the Hitman series is pretty fucking stupid when you think about about it: They're convoluted puzzle games disguised as a stealth assassination with a plot so dumb it makes the film seem coherent in comparison.

So yeah, good on SE for turning the new iteration of the franchise into something that's actually accessible to people who aren't zealous die-hard fanatics of the series (the bloody masochists that they are).

 

[The Youth Counselor]

my god people get so pissed off on this forum it is hilarious!

did we forget the heaven and hell level of blood money? which I daresay is more graphic than this trailer.

I like the look of the transitioning from stealthy executions to high octane gunplay, certainly looks hella cool, but of course cool is frowned upon here, so let me just restore my neckbeard cred by saying "OH IT LOOKS TERRIBLE I HAS NEVER SEEN A WOMAN AND I DONT THINK THIS IS RESPECTFUL AND IT IS KILLING MY BELOVED FRANCHISE!" Blah blah fucking blah, give it a rest guys, pretty much EVERY big announcement that has come out of the gaming world has had the same group of people pissing and moaning about how it isn't the game they knew, or how it is the death of the industry or some other stupid whining BS, you claim to be the mature side of the videogame fandom, act like it, enjoy what is fun, and don't have a temper tantrum every time something hurts your ickle sensibilities.

God only knows you expect that much from people who don't like gay superheroes, or violence in videogames, or political movements, or anything else for that matter, its hypocritical and bloody annoying

Okay, first off let us get this straight.

You're voicing a complaint and yet you're telling everyone else to "act like it, enjoy what is fun, and don't have a temper tantrum every time something hurts your ickle sensibilities." I'll respond with what I tell my kids, maybe you should look harder at you're own advice.

Also I don't think most gamers are really complaining about the gratuitous sexualization or violence (although many aren't liking their mixing). It's really how it's presented.

Sure, the Hitman franchise has always had gratuitous sexualization.

However when it presented itself, it was proper and logical in setting and scenario. 47 had to eliminate someone who happens to run a brothel, frequent a stripclub, be a sexual sadist, attend a vegas show etc?

When 47 faced off against previous sexy vixens their attire made sense. In Silent Assassin Charlie Sidjan happened to be a horny rich prick who hired scantily clad women to guard him. In Blood Money's Dance with the Devil mission Eve and Vaana disguised themselves as showgirls to get close to 47.

Then there's this.

These women are walking in broad daylight in nun uniforms (which isn?t even an inconspicuous disguise, the point is to not stand out) before stripping down to the very tactical and practical choice of fetish gear and high heels. Then they blow up and shoot up the motel in broad daylight, in full view out in the open!

This is something I would expect from the likes of a Japanese developer or fighting and fantasy games. Hitman may have always had campy over the top moments but it?s always had one foot on the ground with realism or believability. This just makes no damn sense.

This was nothing more than an excuse to render and showcase hyper sexualized females and show them strangled, punched, stabbed. and blown away with big phallic guns. This isn't mature, just something to titillate immature teenage boys.

 

[inquisiti0n]

Sure, the Hitman franchise has always had gratuitous sexualization.

However when it presented itself, it was proper and logical in setting and scenario. 47 had to eliminate someone who happens to run a brothel, frequent a stripclub, be a sexual sadist, attend a vegas show etc?

When 47 faced off against previous sexy vixens their attire made sense. In Silent Assassin Charlie Sidjan happened to be a horny rich prick who hired scantily clad women to guard him. In Blood Money's Dance with the Devil mission Eve and Vaana disguised themselves as showgirls to get close to 47.

Then there's this.

These women are walking in broad daylight in nun uniforms (which isn?t even an inconspicuous disguise, the point is to not stand out) before stripping down to the very tactical and practical choice of fetish gear and high heels. Then they blow up and shoot up the motel in broad daylight, in full view out in the open!

This is something I would expect from the likes of a Japanese developer or fighting and fantasy games. Hitman may have always had campy over the top moments but it?s always had one foot on the ground with realism or believability. This just makes no damn sense.

This was nothing more than an excuse to render and showcase hyper sexualized females and show them strangled, punched, stabbed. and blown away with big phallic guns. This isn't mature, just something to titillate immature teenage boys.

The first two scenarios make sense in context because the details are picked up along the way as you're playing through a 6 to 8 hour game.

This trailer is barely 3 minutes. Maybe you should re-evaluate your expectations of how informative it should've been.

"Blown away with big phallic guns"... k, you might not have noticed, but all guns possess a phallic resemblance. It's kind of needed for them to effectively work.

And while none of it is mature, it doesn't make Absolution any more immature than it already was. We're really gonna act like this game was aiming for lofty heights before this trailer?

 

[Vanitas likes Bubbles]

Well..... all right then.

This game = no longer taken seriously.

 

[mightybozz]

erm...what the hell?

Even if the game doesn't turn out to be utterly awful, presumably because Square Enix are involved, this trailer was frankly disturbing. Misogynistic sexualisation of violence against women. Note previous trailers for this game have contained men getting shot, beaten and bludgeoned to death, but none of them were wearing fetish gear and the camera did not spend any quantity of time focusing on their arses.

 

[Cyrus Hanley]

Note previous trailers for this game have contained men getting shot, beaten and bludgeoned to death, but none of them were wearing fetish gear and the camera did not spend any quantity of time focusing on their arses.

I think some of the defenders of the trailer need to be reminded of this.

 

[inquisiti0n]

Note previous trailers for this game have contained men getting shot, beaten and bludgeoned to death, but none of them were wearing fetish gear and the camera did not spend any quantity of time focusing on their arses.

I think some of the defenders of the trailer need to be reminded of this.

But all that does is imply that depicting violence is ok, but sexualized violence isn't. That's nothing more than setting up completely arbitrary boundaries for what is and isn't acceptable.

There's tons of differences you can pick out: The trailer where 47 goes after the lady in the shower has him going on the offensive and killing security guards who were just doing their job, where as this trailer has 47 acting in self-defence rather than pre-meditated murder. Therefore, trailers #1 is obviously morally worse and more offensive than this one, right? Did you need to be reminded of that?

 

[Cyrus Hanley]

Note previous trailers for this game have contained men getting shot, beaten and bludgeoned to death, but none of them were wearing fetish gear and the camera did not spend any quantity of time focusing on their arses.

I think some of the defenders of the trailer need to be reminded of this.

But all that does is imply that depicting violence is ok, but sexualized violence isn't. That's nothing more than setting up completely arbitrary boundaries for what is and isn't acceptable.

There's tons of differences you can pick out: The trailer where 47 goes after the lady in the shower has him going on the offensive and killing security guards who were just doing their job, where as this trailer has 47 acting in self-defence rather than pre-meditated murder. Therefore, trailers #1 is obviously morally worse and more offensive than this one, right? Did you need to be reminded of that?

No, I'm calling for a trailer where 47 decimates a band of young men wearing mankinis.

 

[inquisiti0n]

Note previous trailers for this game have contained men getting shot, beaten and bludgeoned to death, but none of them were wearing fetish gear and the camera did not spend any quantity of time focusing on their arses.

I think some of the defenders of the trailer need to be reminded of this.

But all that does is imply that depicting violence is ok, but sexualized violence isn't. That's nothing more than setting up completely arbitrary boundaries for what is and isn't acceptable.

There's tons of differences you can pick out: The trailer where 47 goes after the lady in the shower has him going on the offensive and killing security guards who were just doing their job, where as this trailer has 47 acting in self-defence rather than pre-meditated murder. Therefore, trailers #1 is obviously morally worse and more offensive than this one, right? Did you need to be reminded of that?

No, I'm calling for a trailer where 47 decimates a band of young men wearing mankinis.

Which I called "an arbitrary boundary for what is and isn't acceptable."

Were you calling for the devs to have 47 kills as many women as men before the existence of this trailer? Probably not, so why does the game have to suddenly have dole out equal amounts of sexualization to each gender when no such quota existed for violence prior to this trailer?

Also, you're insistence that they should even wear similar articles of clothing is frankly bizarre.

 

[Cyrus Hanley]

No, I'm calling for a trailer where 47 decimates a band of young men wearing mankinis.

Which I called "an arbitrary boundary for what is and isn't acceptable."

I just thought it was a guy killing other guys wearing mankinis.

Were you calling for the devs to have 47 kills as many women as men before the existence of this trailer?

No.

Probably not, so why does the game have to suddenly have dole out equal amounts of sexualization to each gender when no such quota existed for violence prior to this trailer?

I don't remember saying it had to.

Also, you're insistence that they should even wear similar articles of clothing is frankly bizarre.

Mankinis aren't associated with BDSM -- at least, I don't think they are.

 

[ElPatron]

Also, what is it with sexualizing nuns? Have these people ever seen a nun? (...) It just doesn't work.

Tell that to the Japanese. Or the porn industry.

Misogynistic sexualisation of violence against women.

You are bound to find things you don't like if you are so obsessed in finding them.

If the trailer was the polar opposite you wouldn't give a fuck and the only people complaining would be one or two "Men's Rights Activists" that honestly nobody listens to.

 

[AdamRhodes]

It isn't misogynistic to beat women who are trying to kill you. I don't see anyone accusing Lara Croft of hating men when she shoots a bunch of guys.

Sexualisation of women is more socially acceptable than sexualisation of men. If the trailer had been a bunch of dudes in assless chaps and leather harnesses (which isn't out of the question for the Hitman universe) we'd be seeing different complaints.

This isn't even gameplay footage. Before you whine about how they changed it now it sucks, wait til you see footage of a non-tutorial level.

http://youtu.be/CR5nVY_KzfA
(I don't know how to embed)

 

[Saucycarpdog]

Nice find Adam! I'll embed that for ya:


Now this looks more like Hitman then the trailer.

 

[Programmed_For_Damage]

While I LOVE women in latex, this trailer just seems so gratuitous and non-Hitman like. The Hitman games to me are more like being a ghost; you drop someone and no one even you've been there (despite being a big, impeccably dressed bald man). This is more "when you absolutely, positively have to kill every last mother-trucker in the room" type action.

I have to ask myself WWSFD? What would Sam Fisher do?