New Law Would Force Search Engines to Block "Infringing" Sites

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KingsGambit said:
How is it that the USA's laws are all written by corporations?
Because they have all the lawyers. God bless Capitalism *spit*.

Let's think of a possible hypotheticals. Microsoft and Sony are rivals, therefore Bink won't show up Station. Safari won't show up Windows Updates. IE won't show up Firefox.
 

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Just amuses me, the acronym they so desperately shoehorned together, is PROTECT really much better than it being the FMT ruling or whatever?

As is, it's mainly to protect people from the boogeyman, or corporations from some ethereal threat that's far bigger looking than it actually is.

I also like the idea that it's to 'protect from threats to economic creativity' - are pirates not being creative economically, by getting content for free via alternative means? I'm not saying it's legal, but it's a creative way of doing it. Probably not the best wording. :)

Still, at least they're trying to update the laws, instead of bending old ones to fit crimes that don't fit any more. To me, if someone finds a way of doing bad things that the law doesn't condemn, the law needs to change, we can't just criminalise people because of a generalised 'bad person' feeling.

Unfortunately, it seems every step they make in trying to combat piracy has wide sweeping repercussions on basic internet freedoms, and anything that goes thru is just going to push sites out of the US and Europe and into less regulatory countries, taking the profits and taxes with it. As ever, if you can't punish the pirates without screwing over the innocent customers, it's probably not worth doing.

As an example, the recent case of trying to criminalise drawings of naked children, the case being that it was still child pornography even if was fictional children. So are the cherubs in old artistic masterpieces now the work of a deviant paedophile? It's very easy to carefully word something to get backing from the masses, but art should not be restrained except for very good reasons, and we already have rules about obscenity. In the same way, our freedoms should not be walked all over, because some people use those freedoms in a bad way.
 

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Oh look, my senator is backing this bill. Well, I'm glad I read this article.
Your senator? I wasn't aware that you were a high rolling corporation.

I typically refer to them as "that corrupt bastard I voted for", because they stopped looking out for my interests long before I voted for them.
 

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SenseOfTumour said:
Just amuses me, the acronym they so desperately shoehorned together, is PROTECT really much better than it being the FMT ruling or whatever?

As is, it's mainly to protect people from the boogeyman, or corporations from some ethereal threat that's far bigger looking than it actually is.

I also like the idea that it's to 'protect from threats to economic creativity' - are pirates not being creative economically, by getting content for free via alternative means? I'm not saying it's legal, but it's a creative way of doing it. Probably not the best wording. :)

Still, at least they're trying to update the laws, instead of bending old ones to fit crimes that don't fit any more. To me, if someone finds a way of doing bad things that the law doesn't condemn, the law needs to change, we can't just criminalise people because of a generalised 'bad person' feeling.

Unfortunately, it seems every step they make in trying to combat piracy has wide sweeping repercussions on basic internet freedoms, and anything that goes thru is just going to push sites out of the US and Europe and into less regulatory countries, taking the profits and taxes with it. As ever, if you can't punish the pirates without screwing over the innocent customers, it's probably not worth doing.

As an example, the recent case of trying to criminalise drawings of naked children, the case being that it was still child pornography even if was fictional children. So are the cherubs in old artistic masterpieces now the work of a deviant paedophile? It's very easy to carefully word something to get backing from the masses, but art should not be restrained except for very good reasons, and we already have rules about obscenity. In the same way, our freedoms should not be walked all over, because some people use those freedoms in a bad way.
All good points, now where did I put that link about sex almost being illegal in Florida...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/11/floridas-bestiality-law_n_860836.html

The road to hell and all that.
 

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So users could just remember the sites and use a search engines from countries that aren't effected this
Oops got around another one of these asinine and pointless internet censorship laws. I don't mind the idea of getting rid of pirates but the US is just making itself out to be a giant ass about this whole thing. For example; the amount of laws trying to get, enforcing it on every single country and just how dumb these ideas are.
They won't work
They won't get through
This is not what a government is meant to do
 

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Entirely correct, if you're going to make a law, you CAN'T just rush it thru because someone's waving a big bag of cash at you to get it done, you need to check and double check for loopholes, or crashing tidal waves of fail that cause unintended problems.

I'm personally tired of new laws being rushed thru just to appease either a corporation that feels it's missing out on something, or the masses who've read a headline and have a new 'big thing' to be scared of, whether it's immigrants that take our jobs (and if a guy who just fell off the underside of a lorry and can't speak english can take your job, you weren't trying very hard), or a foreign tree that causes cancer, these things need to be THOUGHT about, and devated with EXPERTS, not just slapped down on paper in crayon thru gut reaction.
 

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Aureliano said:
If you don't mind, I'm just gonna put this right here...

"First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me."
-Martin Niemöller

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came%E2%80%A6
Overused in this sort of argument, massively so. A line has to be drawn somewhere, because extrapolated not much further than I've seen it extrapolated to prove people should stand up for a certain cause, it ends up 1st they came for the rapists and i didnt speak out becasue I wasnt a rapist. Lines on what you should stand up for need to be drawn, and yes you should stand up for p0eople you arent you, or like you, but you have to have sufficient reason to do so, no defending the indefensible, you just have to have sensible boundires on rgese things.
 

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I could get behind an idea like this, but....

I can sense the internet rage coming.


PROTECT IP
you realise basically every site on the internet breaches copyright daily, right? You use an image from google images? Probably copyright infringement. Youtube? Probably more copyright infringement than there are torrent downloads.

The thing that most annoys me is the part where it says "Domestic or FOREIGN". They are trying to create a law that allows them to control foreign websites. What. The. Actual. Fuck?
 

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They do realize that most people that use infringing websites probably have them bookmarked or memorized and if the people looking for them know people that use them then they are simply going to ask those people, right?
 

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As much as I hate to invoke the "slippery slope"...

How few steps is this, do you think, from the "China doesn't want people watching time travel movies" side of things? Not many, really.

This is trying to paint search engines as "aiding and abetting" the infringers, but they're not. This is more like suing the folks publishing a phone book because it contains the number of a known felon. Or suing a newspaper because it says, "Criminals exist."

Go after the criminals, and go after them hard. But don't start expanding the scope in this way, or you'll just punish the innocent and make more enemies.
 

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The_root_of_all_evil said:
KingsGambit said:
How is it that the USA's laws are all written by corporations?
Because they have all the lawyers. God bless Capitalism *spit*.

Let's think of a possible hypotheticals. Microsoft and Sony are rivals, therefore Bink won't show up Station. Safari won't show up Windows Updates. IE won't show up Firefox.
Just to think, one day those lawyers will have essentially turned America into a corportist state. The distorted views on social democracy, socialism and communism are only a bonus.
 
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MorphingDragon said:
Just to think, one day those lawyers will have essentially turned America into a corportist state. The distorted views on social democracy, socialism and communism are only a bonus.
One day? Remind me how many people got arrested over the BP Oil Spill.
 

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The_root_of_all_evil said:
MorphingDragon said:
Just to think, one day those lawyers will have essentially turned America into a corportist state. The distorted views on social democracy, socialism and communism are only a bonus.
One day? Remind me how many people got arrested over the BP Oil Spill.
I meant by political definition.

Corporatism, also known as corporativism, is a system of economic, political, or social organization that involves the contract of corporate groups, such as agricultural, business, ethnic, labor, military, patronage, or scientific affiliations, into a collective body.[1] Corporatism is based upon the interpretation of a community as an organic body.[2][3] The term corporatism is based on the Latin root "corp" meaning "body".[3]

-Wikipedia
 

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Companies make sure the law enforces Copyright laws as tight as possible. And then, after they've made sure any "law-respecting paragons" of society will choose no other way but buy their products, they start producing low-quality and high-price nonsenses.

I'm fully aware that some form of limitation is required so that an idea isn't exploited by lazy copycats, but this anit-copyright trend is just disappointing.
 

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Oh just so I understand the Foreign part, if my "services" are not related to anything with America, including payment. Would I still get my shit handed to me?