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How about the wings of an angel?John Funk said:Deathscythe Hell has elf shoes.
ELF SHOES.
Clearly superior.
See... if I was in charge of Japan? Here's what I'd do. I'd build real, fully functional Mobile Suits. Do it all in secret. Keep up press coverage on the Gundam 1:1 statue. Find places throughout the world willing to host other Mobile Suit statues. Ship statues there. Then, quietly ship in the parts to the real Suits. Rebuild them inside those countries, and replace the statues which were taken down 'for repairs'.
The second someone goes after Japan? Trigger your army of mechas positioned around the world. It might not end well, but come on, it'd be GLORIOUS to just go out there and say 'We warned you for decades! You knew we loved our giant robots! How did you not see this day coming?'
The second someone goes after Japan? Trigger your army of mechas positioned around the world. It might not end well, but come on, it'd be GLORIOUS to just go out there and say 'We warned you for decades! You knew we loved our giant robots! How did you not see this day coming?'
Anime: The only place in existence where 15/16-year-old skinny teenagers are our first, last, and only hope.John Funk said:Better than the 15-year-old skinny teenagers in WingSteelStallion said:
And YOU DID NOT JUST DISS HARO, MAN.
Haro is awesomeWing is worse for NOT having Haro.
Wing is your Archetype for all the following emo kid Gundams such as SEED and 00 of which season 2 of both those series suck!
one got toooooo emo and the other just became a mess of story lines and plot twists.
...and OMG THAT IS THE F***ING AWESOME! XD
one got toooooo emo and the other just became a mess of story lines and plot twists.
...and OMG THAT IS THE F***ING AWESOME! XD
Right, can someone here actually tell me which Mobile Suit Series's are any good? Without sounding like a fanboy?
-Original Gundam (aka Mobile Suit Gundam, aka Gundam 0079) is a classic for a reason, but watch the abridged movie trilogy version rather than the full series. It cuts out some of the REALLY DATED 1979 animation, removes some of the filler, has better pacing - etc.Ninjamedic said:
-Zeta Gundam is the direct sequel to the above, and considered by some to be the best in the franchise, though the main character can get tiresome. It's also very dark. It's WATCHABLE on its own, but you'll appreciate it more if you've seen the first MSG.
-Gundam 0080: War in the Pocket is a short six-episode sidestory set during the events of Mobile Suit Gundam. It's a bit more character-focused than the other series, and honestly some of the best six episodes anywhere in Gundam. Familiarity with the MSG One-Year War is nice, but not necessary.
-Gundam Wing is one of the first alternate universe series that doesn't have anything to do with the universe of the original MSG. It's one of the more accessible series since you don't need to know anything else, but I personally found that all the themes in Wing were done better in...
-Gundam 00, which is the latest in the franchise. While most of the Gundam series are set in alternate universes like After Colony or Universal Century, 00 is set in Anno Domini - OUR universe. It's a very post-9/11 series, dealing with conflict in the middle east and energy. The last half has severe pacing issues, but it's overall pretty good.
-Gundam SEED is the most popular in Japan other than the first Gundam. It's actually essentially a reinterpretation of the first Gundam's storyline until about halfway through when it diverges, and the main character is a bit of a whiner at first (...until it diverges, really). Just stay away from Gundam SEED Destiny, the sequel, which starts out fantastic but then crashes and burns in the last quarter of the series.
-G Gundam is DBZ meets giant robots. It's silly and horribly cheesy but kind of awesome anyway.
-Turn A Gundam's title literally can be interpreted as "for all Gundams." It's the 20th anniversary series done by the original director, and is probably the most unique Gundam series. It's got a weird "Gundam as done by Hayao Miyazaki" steampunk feel to it, though it is also VERY SLOW at points - and you'll probably appreciate the references and in-jokes more if you're familiar with the franchise before watching it.
I've never liked Wing Zero Custom.Frank_Sinatra_ said:How about the wings of an angel?
It's way too over the top for me. I will take Destiny's pink glittery wings of light any day over actual wings.Hm, I get what you're saying more now (BUT CAGALLI IS CRYING), but I still don't think I agree. Duo is the brash loudmouth and Heero is the stoic stone-faced will-follow-orders soldier, wouldn't the 'berserker' unit and 'stealthy' unit suit the two of them better, respectively? With Kira and Freedom, it always seemed to me like the point was that he got a Gundam that was powerful enough to let him fight without killing (see: Martial Pacifist TV Trope). And I think the 00 ones DO reflect their personality: Setsuna's melee-heavy style reflects his anger vs. Ali, Lockon is remote and breezy, Tieria is the most steadfast and loyal to Veda so he gets the "sit here and shootan my lazer" suit, and Allelujah has his double personality so he gets the transformer.zala-taichou said:I should have made myself clearer, the Wing Gundams reflect their owners: Heero is the reckless assault guy, so he gets the BFG (adds a lot of weight to the mobile suit swap between Heero and Zechs), Duo is a likes to run and hide, so he gets the stealthy one, Trowa's modus operandi is suppressing fire, so Heavyarms, Quatre doesn't like fighting, so he gets the heavily armored one, Wufei is Mr. Bushido, so he gets the samurai one (or rather, the most samurai one). Sure, SEED had the different Gundam types, often mirroring the Wing ones, but to say that they reflect their owners... I mean, Kira is supposed to be the pacifist and gets the most beam spam one of them all! Same thing with the 00 ones, the only truly fitting one is Dynames/Cherudim. In Wing, the Gundams facilitate the storytelling, not the other way around, and that is one of my main gripes about the newer series. The story facilitated awesome battles, but not the other way around. Wing carried a lot of symbolism, and I liked that. Hell, the beamspamming Virgos even foreshadowed the new series by being represented as a new and detestable form of combat.John Funk said:
Ah yes, the factions. Again, personal preference will undoubtedly taint my opinion about the series
Sure, Rau and Ali were awesome, but very one-dimensional as well. Where Kira was screaming 'stop the fighting', Heero and Zechs were teaching Relena that peace isn't something you get for free. Call it philosophical nonsense, but I prefered it to 'stop the evildoers'.
Man, I love discussing Gundam (but my friends won't allow it), thank you for this!
The suits drive the plot in Wing just as much as they do in any other series, because let's face it, they really are just trying to sell us models. That's why Deathscythe and Shenlong suddenly get upgraded, that's why Quatre pulls the plans for Wing Zero out of his ass, etc. And sorry, but I don't think the Virgos really foreshadowed anything
Wing had beamspam from the moment Heero did that silly "two laser rifles in each hand, spinning around" maneuver.Really? You thought SEED was obvious from the get-go? For the entire first half it seemed to be following in 0079's footsteps perfectly, and while 0079 definitely showed some of the Feddies being dicks, it was clear that Zeon was the main villains. The first half of SEED was following suit, because you had some good guys on the Earth side (Admiral... Halliburton, I think?) and the ZAFT side had Rau, started with them destroying Heliopolis, and that moment where Yzak shot down the civilian shuttle. Other than the obvious tension with Athrun, it wasn't until Kira met Andy Waltfeld (and we started to learn more about Blue Cosmos) that ZAFT started to get more sympathetic and the Earth forces more sinister.
Let's just not talk about Destiny
It was a trainwreck in every sense of the word, and I'm still not sure if the Chairman being so evil was something planned from the start or they just needed to do it to bring Kira back to the spotlight.Can you really call the Innovators blatantly evil, though? To me, that ignores their primary sin: arrogance. Ribbons and company were doing evil, but the entire purpose for his existence (he thought) was to lead humanity - their rule would be what humanity needed. To that end, the evil they did was justifying the means. I do agree that it was disappointing to see a nuanced show come down to "here'z the bad guys" even if A-LAWs had some good guys like Kati in the mix, but I still found it exponentially more interesting than the political situation in Wing. HEY LET'S MAKE RELENA QUEEN OF THE WORLD. Why her? idk who cares.
I can't take the whole peace thing seriously in Wing because of the ending to Endless Waltz (peace forever!), and because to me, it never addressed the hypocrisy that was core to SEED and 00 - what kind of peace is peace that is bought with bloodshed? Celestial Being is well aware that they're hypocrites, and Lacus points out that she/Kira/Terminal are the same thing. In SEED, other than the higherups and leaders (Zala/Djibril/Azrael), nobody is truly evil. They're both fighting the other side because the other side was fighting them and committed atrocities, so they try to get revenge for those, etc. That's an aspect to the whole war/peace thing that I felt Wing never really covered.
I do like Gundam discussions
WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT. First, i'd watch the Mobile Suit Gundam TV show - it's not THAT bad, and, frankly it's the foundation of everything that follows.Ninjamedic said:
Also, Funk, a list that doesn't include 8th MS Team?
I thought I knew you man. I thought I knew you.
Watch 8th MS team. It was a short series set on Earth during the one year war (MSG storyline). It focuses on normal soldiers, none of which are aces or newtypes. If Mobile Suit Gundam is a metaphor for the first/second world war, 8th MS Team is a metaphor for Vietnam or Korea, largely episodic (reflecting the mission structured nature of the soldiers lives) and with alot of death and war tragedy. It's biggest problem is there was a romance shoehorned into it that plays, unfortunatly, a major part in the story.
It also has the coolest motherfucking urban MS fight scene you will ever see - A whole team vs one Zeon ace in a Geloog.
It's no Zaku son. No Zaku.
Oh and watch this shit in Japanese, dubs make babyjesus cry.
lol, I was about to post exactly this.TsunamiWombat said:
That urban fight is pure awesome, especially where Shiro in the EZ8 runs out of things to use as weapons so rips his own arm off to beat the Geloog round the head!
Oh thank god someone remembered that show, It's by far one of my favorites of the saga. And the romance wasn't THAT bad. It was shoehorned yes, but I didn't find it to detract too much from the overall show. That fight with Cpt Norris VS 3 Gundams, and 3 guntanks was made of pure awesome, it's by far the best mobile suit fight I've ever seen as I enjoyed the more "grounded realism" of the fight than the usual flashy laser fest that typically ensues.TsunamiWombat said:
Nothing wrong with the laser fests, but when you have one bad ass ace pilot take out a team of mobile suits by himself by using more viable tactics than just "laser spam", it makes things a lot more tense and exciting for me.
Also, no it wasn't a Golgoog, it was a customized Gouf. Just thought I'd correct you on that
Gouf Custom
Gelgoog
Gelgoog
uhhhhh guys you are still missing quite a bit of gundam series.
missing from the list so far:
ZZ Gundam: the direct Sequel to Zeta, this series picks up a few days after Zeta ends, and the first half is a very light hearted romp with excetric characters and silly events to make up for the fairly dark turn towards the end of Zeta. if you can get past the first 20 or so episodes, the rest of the series is actually quite good, with some of the best mobile suit designs in the franchise and an awesome cast of characters.
Char's Counterattack: this theatrical motion picture takes place a few years after ZZ, but is more of a sequal to the original series. it involves the rivalry between the main protagonist and antagonist of MSG, and their final battle with the fate of the world in the balance. it is well over 20 years old now but the animation is still amazing with excellent combat and some nice little details thrown in. some people tend to be annoyed by alot of the characters motivations, which can be understood when you take into account the mental condition of the director at the time.
Gundam F91- another movie, this one jumps forward 30 years along the timeline and involves a completely new cast of characters, involving the invasion of a peaceful colony by a private army, the Crossbone Vanguard, run by a company that is planning on setting up a space-based monarchy of sorts. it was originally planned to be a 50 episode TV series, so you will notice that it suffers from some major pacing issues.
Victory Gundam- taking place another 30 years later, V Gundam has a very young protagonist (13) thrown into a very blooding war between a group of invading space colonists, the militarily weak world government, and a private faction that he joins. it is the longest series at 51 episodes, and while the animation is a little iffy at the begining, its budget was increased and they were able to add a few luxuries like shadows. seriously, fucking shadows. its VERY DARK, LOTS OF PEOPLE DIE IN HORRIBLE WAYS, INCLUDING THE MAIN CHARACTERS MOM RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIM. it gets a little wacky at times but that can also be explained by the directors major case of depression at the time and his efforts to kill the frachise at V.
0083- taking place several years after the original series, it revolves around a ship trying to recover a prototype gundam armed with a nuclear warhead that was stolen by remnants of the original war. its only 13 episodes, its starts out strong but stumbles a bit towards the end becuase the director was killed in a car accident and they had to bring in a new one. animation is BEYOND EXCELLENT. its 90's OVA quality at its best, with alot of fight scenes that are well animated and choreographed. its like top gun of gundam, just watch it for the mecha porn.
08th MS Team- taking place around the same time as 0080 and the original series, it involves a small mobile suit team operating in southeast asia. the combat is very down to earth a gritty, its like vietnam with robots. alot of people dislike it due to the romeo and juliet style love story, but it is still really good.
Gundam X- another alternative universe like Gundam Wing and G Gundam, it takes place in a post apocalyptic world after a massive colony drop at the end of the 7th space war killed over 90% of the human population. visually its alot like wing, and dont go into it expecting mad max beyond thunderdome. its mostly based around a single ship cruising around looking for psychics to protect from other factions, as well as a very nice love story between the main character and a quiet newtype girl. its pretty much the best love story in the franchise, if you've seen Eureka 7 than you should know that E7 is heavily based on Gundam X. due to a variety of reasons it was canceiled towards the end, and is only 39 episodes.
Gundam SEED Stargazer- taking place during the first 10 or so episodes of Destiny, (IT IS NOT SHITTY AT ALL LIKE DESTINY IS), it involves a wide cast of characters on many different sides just struggling to get by in a changing world. 3 episodes around 15 minutes each, so its easy to watch. it is very gritty with alot of shades of moral grey area, unlike its parents Destiny and SEED.
Gundam Unicorn- the most recent series, only 1 of the 6 episodes has been released so far. top notch animation that resembles older styles more than the recent 00, Unicorn takes place 3 years after Char's Counterattack. Unicorn is important because it ties together every single series that has come before it along the UC timeline and explains why there were so many wars and bloodshed, and explains some stuff that shows up in later series. WATCH THIS SHIT, ITS AWESOME.
missing from the list so far:
ZZ Gundam: the direct Sequel to Zeta, this series picks up a few days after Zeta ends, and the first half is a very light hearted romp with excetric characters and silly events to make up for the fairly dark turn towards the end of Zeta. if you can get past the first 20 or so episodes, the rest of the series is actually quite good, with some of the best mobile suit designs in the franchise and an awesome cast of characters.
Char's Counterattack: this theatrical motion picture takes place a few years after ZZ, but is more of a sequal to the original series. it involves the rivalry between the main protagonist and antagonist of MSG, and their final battle with the fate of the world in the balance. it is well over 20 years old now but the animation is still amazing with excellent combat and some nice little details thrown in. some people tend to be annoyed by alot of the characters motivations, which can be understood when you take into account the mental condition of the director at the time.
Gundam F91- another movie, this one jumps forward 30 years along the timeline and involves a completely new cast of characters, involving the invasion of a peaceful colony by a private army, the Crossbone Vanguard, run by a company that is planning on setting up a space-based monarchy of sorts. it was originally planned to be a 50 episode TV series, so you will notice that it suffers from some major pacing issues.
Victory Gundam- taking place another 30 years later, V Gundam has a very young protagonist (13) thrown into a very blooding war between a group of invading space colonists, the militarily weak world government, and a private faction that he joins. it is the longest series at 51 episodes, and while the animation is a little iffy at the begining, its budget was increased and they were able to add a few luxuries like shadows. seriously, fucking shadows. its VERY DARK, LOTS OF PEOPLE DIE IN HORRIBLE WAYS, INCLUDING THE MAIN CHARACTERS MOM RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIM. it gets a little wacky at times but that can also be explained by the directors major case of depression at the time and his efforts to kill the frachise at V.
0083- taking place several years after the original series, it revolves around a ship trying to recover a prototype gundam armed with a nuclear warhead that was stolen by remnants of the original war. its only 13 episodes, its starts out strong but stumbles a bit towards the end becuase the director was killed in a car accident and they had to bring in a new one. animation is BEYOND EXCELLENT. its 90's OVA quality at its best, with alot of fight scenes that are well animated and choreographed. its like top gun of gundam, just watch it for the mecha porn.
08th MS Team- taking place around the same time as 0080 and the original series, it involves a small mobile suit team operating in southeast asia. the combat is very down to earth a gritty, its like vietnam with robots. alot of people dislike it due to the romeo and juliet style love story, but it is still really good.
Gundam X- another alternative universe like Gundam Wing and G Gundam, it takes place in a post apocalyptic world after a massive colony drop at the end of the 7th space war killed over 90% of the human population. visually its alot like wing, and dont go into it expecting mad max beyond thunderdome. its mostly based around a single ship cruising around looking for psychics to protect from other factions, as well as a very nice love story between the main character and a quiet newtype girl. its pretty much the best love story in the franchise, if you've seen Eureka 7 than you should know that E7 is heavily based on Gundam X. due to a variety of reasons it was canceiled towards the end, and is only 39 episodes.
Gundam SEED Stargazer- taking place during the first 10 or so episodes of Destiny, (IT IS NOT SHITTY AT ALL LIKE DESTINY IS), it involves a wide cast of characters on many different sides just struggling to get by in a changing world. 3 episodes around 15 minutes each, so its easy to watch. it is very gritty with alot of shades of moral grey area, unlike its parents Destiny and SEED.
Gundam Unicorn- the most recent series, only 1 of the 6 episodes has been released so far. top notch animation that resembles older styles more than the recent 00, Unicorn takes place 3 years after Char's Counterattack. Unicorn is important because it ties together every single series that has come before it along the UC timeline and explains why there were so many wars and bloodshed, and explains some stuff that shows up in later series. WATCH THIS SHIT, ITS AWESOME.