New Mortal Kombat Can Be Balanced on the Fly
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Carlston said:
Nice comment, nice and stupid really.
You have the AI to play against and learn the game, and when no one is at your place, people tend to play to see the endings.
So if a game is broken, and unenjoyable single player, crippled only a second player can fix it...
Oh and online MK was pretty buggy to. You just keep adding strikes to the game and reason to buy it.
Have a nice day.
Miumaru said:
MK to me is the perfect example of the web site thecomputerisacheatingbastard.com
No charging, charged combos, instant recovery when you have to lose seconds after a attack, never ending blockings, combos....but when the goobers come out of the wood work and say none of that matters, it's about playing with someone else?
Let's see it sell as a multiplayer only game...
Be like the old atari 2600, if no one is free... hey look Combat, stare at the unmoving player 2....ok games old...next.
That's because Blizzard patches their own games for balance regularly, not because their games don't need balance.DTWolfwood said:
There are a lot of ways to "balance" badly - to use an example from the original article, Cable > Wolverine because of one overpowered move. Nerf that move and Cable < Wolverine. To make them actually equal, you need to change a lot of numbers on one of the characters. And that's just one matchup!
Proper balance is not found by tinkering with numbers. It's found by having solid universal options for offense and defense.
Well, the thing about the AI is that unless you're just learning combos, you're basically only learning how to exploit the AI's flaws. A human player can and will change tactics based on how they're doing against you, they'll try to get into your head and make you do stupid things. The AI really doesn't help you learn the game at all.Carlston said:
I've actually learnt more about fighting games practicing combos and setups against unmoving and sometimes against recorded inputs than the actual AI.
This is assuming those 80% are winning more than half of their matches by just picking Ken and spamming fireballs. While I do see a whole lot of that in Street Fighter, I also know that just about everyone I know can beat a Ken that does just that.Kwil said:
But okay, let's go with this. Could it be that the ones getting beaten by flowchart Kens are in fact not aware of the ways you can circumvent the fireballs? Even though there are several built-in ways to go around them. And really, if the fireballs got nerfed to a point where Ken suddenly became less viable of a character to use, 80% would move on to the next character they perceive as being overpowered.
The fact is that you can't really discern the true balance of a game within a short unless it's completely broken to begin with. And if that's the case, there are far more pressing matters than just numbers to tweak. We still don't know which characters are really the best ones in SSF4 for instance. The tier list isn't something set in stone but something that lives as long as the game is being played.
So, no, this doesn't really excite me that much.
This new Mortal Kombat is actually getting me kind of excited. I've always like MK and I watched the series when it went through it indecisive awkward phase. Shaolin Monks wasn't terrible, but Armageddon was absolutely awful.
I just want Scorpion, Sub-Zero, Noob-Saibot, Reptile, and maybe Smoke (human or cyborg).
I just want Scorpion, Sub-Zero, Noob-Saibot, Reptile, and maybe Smoke (human or cyborg).
For those wondering about the real time updating can and can't do, here's an article about how it's being used in Monday Night Combat:
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Not "patched," remember? Monday Night Combat carries a "Live Update System" that allows it to tune settings without rolling a full patch through the time-consuming certification channels. Here's what you get:
? Time between Crossfire matches (the competitive multiplayer arena) has been shortened to 45 seconds from 60 seconds.
? The minimum number of players needed to start Crossfire is now six; it was eight.
? Custom bots now spawn in 10 seconds, not five.
Now, that said, Uber's aware of "known bugs and exploits," and is working on a patch to address those, as they're beyond the bounds of the game's on-board tuning system.
But hey, faster Crossfire starts with fewer players, that's a good development.
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http://kotaku.com/5620059/monday-night-combat-update-shortens-crossfire-wait
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Not "patched," remember? Monday Night Combat carries a "Live Update System" that allows it to tune settings without rolling a full patch through the time-consuming certification channels. Here's what you get:
? Time between Crossfire matches (the competitive multiplayer arena) has been shortened to 45 seconds from 60 seconds.
? The minimum number of players needed to start Crossfire is now six; it was eight.
? Custom bots now spawn in 10 seconds, not five.
Now, that said, Uber's aware of "known bugs and exploits," and is working on a patch to address those, as they're beyond the bounds of the game's on-board tuning system.
But hey, faster Crossfire starts with fewer players, that's a good development.
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http://kotaku.com/5620059/monday-night-combat-update-shortens-crossfire-wait
i mean they have tight control over their game. Most other games don't (months after release). Pro-mods are abound for just about every competitive PC game with/without support from the Dev who made the game. Blizzard is the one example i can think of that no such mod exist(actually best to say "used")Robyrt said:That's because Blizzard patches their own games for balance regularly, not because their games don't need balance.DTWolfwood said:
There are a lot of ways to "balance" badly - to use an example from the original article, Cable > Wolverine because of one overpowered move. Nerf that move and Cable < Wolverine. To make them actually equal, you need to change a lot of numbers on one of the characters. And that's just one matchup!
Proper balance is not found by tinkering with numbers. It's found by having solid universal options for offense and defense.
Fighting games are the one genre that is best played with a stick/pad so to have the ability to adjust a move for each character so it can be competitively viable and statistically equal on a console is a most awesome idea. Leave it to the ppl who play the game to balance it. the Devs have their next project to work on, not spend all their time making messed up balance patches
(It should be spent on Bug Fixes instead)