New SimCity Will Require Always-On Internet - UPDATED
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xD Nah, it's just a stock response I hurl out whenever I see a game will have always online DRM.Griffolion said:
Besides, I said a sale. Not that I wouldn't play it. *joke before before say I condone piracy*
And with that, I'm going for a walk. Because you made me feel awkward. >.>
Haha, I only kid. I too have an aversion to always on DRM. I just disagree with the principle of controlling a user that has paid full price for the legitimate software. I think it was our own Jim Sterling that was saying that DRM fundamentally doesn't work because the ones that get hit with DRM are the legitimate users. The pirates that the DRM is aimed at will get around it somehow, and be totally unaffected by it. So the entire process completely back fires. I can't remember pirating a game (if at all), I also have an aversion to piracy, I just prefer to do everything by the book, even if such a practice screws me over, I don't want to lower my own integrity just to get back at "them".VonKlaw said:
I feel I can compare it in a way to Just Cause 2, or the experience I got from that game and Sim City 4. I think JC2 had potential, and Sim City 4 is one of my faovorite games ever. What both lacked in my personal opinion was a multi-player mode that let you interact with your friends in the game. JC2 would be brilliant if they just added the posibility to connect a small group of people together in that big open world with those fun crazy toys and go nuts (and cheats... that damn game needs cheats!).
I like this idea of a multi-player Sim City, but I also agree with people that it needs a single player option... At least an option to create your OWN "multi-player" world with a password or over a LAN connection or something, a way of creating a private place for your cities or just sharing that world with your close friends. If it's going to be all open-world Stronghold Kingdoms style... That I wouldn't be so happy about, then again very VERY little is known about this game and Maxis has delivered some good titles in the past so I remain optimistic.
As for having to stay connected all the time to play, personally I'm not bothered. I'm always connected, the only downtime I've had in 6 months was 2 minutes yesterday because they are blowing up the mountain under me to make a tunnel and the shockwave somehow knocked out the fiberoptics for a little while X3. I can see why people are annoyed though. I also don't mind Origin that much. I'd rather NOT have it, but it's not a major problem for me that it's there. I can live with it.
I like this idea of a multi-player Sim City, but I also agree with people that it needs a single player option... At least an option to create your OWN "multi-player" world with a password or over a LAN connection or something, a way of creating a private place for your cities or just sharing that world with your close friends. If it's going to be all open-world Stronghold Kingdoms style... That I wouldn't be so happy about, then again very VERY little is known about this game and Maxis has delivered some good titles in the past so I remain optimistic.
As for having to stay connected all the time to play, personally I'm not bothered. I'm always connected, the only downtime I've had in 6 months was 2 minutes yesterday because they are blowing up the mountain under me to make a tunnel and the shockwave somehow knocked out the fiberoptics for a little while X3. I can see why people are annoyed though. I also don't mind Origin that much. I'd rather NOT have it, but it's not a major problem for me that it's there. I can live with it.
hmm....so what if you have a crappy ISP (aka: Rogers)?
So is Sim city trying to encourage a sort of Meta game? (cities trade with each other)
So is Sim city trying to encourage a sort of Meta game? (cities trade with each other)
Online DRM wouldn't be so bad if it allowed for the occasional network "hit". It would keep on playing for at least 10-15 minutes after the internet dropped, giving you a warning that said connection had dropped - so save your game. This isn't a online completive game, if your net drops, there is no need to force quit the game to desk top with no option to be able to save...
Origin sucks, online DRM sucks. I'm on the fence for buying, but I'm not going to rush out on day one. If anything EA has taught me now, is that its better to wait a few weeks then to get it on day one.. or even pre-order.
Origin sucks, online DRM sucks. I'm on the fence for buying, but I'm not going to rush out on day one. If anything EA has taught me now, is that its better to wait a few weeks then to get it on day one.. or even pre-order.
Ha! I would suggest that if you have Rogers (and there's not something broken in your cable line), you're doing just fine.survivor686 said:
WHAT??? So you dont need to be all ways online. You just need EA permission to start the game? OHHH why didn't you say so earlier EA? Guess what? the pirated versions is not only free but also it doesn't require a "online validation" every single time you what to play the game.Andy Chalk said:
I wonder, is it pirates or EA whats killing the gaming industry?
I don't care if it's Steam, Origin, PSN, XBL, or whatever else. I won't pay for a game I have to continually prove I legally purchased over and over. It doesn't matter if it's a simple phone home or always on DRM. Publishers that want to pull this shit with single player games need to have their heads held underwater until the fucking bubbles stop.
If I were a less scrupulous person like some gamers this would be where "they'd" say that money isn't an issue for "them" when it comes to buying games. "They" make a comfortable living. "They" can afford to buy what "they" want when it's released. However, when game makers pull this bullshit it's off to the torrents "they" go. If "they" are going to be treated like a thief either way "they" may as well fucking act like it since doing the right thing only get's "them" bent over and anally raped by the people they are choosing to support. It's a good thing I'm such a scrupulous fucking person though and would never say or think something like this . . . .
If I were a less scrupulous person like some gamers this would be where "they'd" say that money isn't an issue for "them" when it comes to buying games. "They" make a comfortable living. "They" can afford to buy what "they" want when it's released. However, when game makers pull this bullshit it's off to the torrents "they" go. If "they" are going to be treated like a thief either way "they" may as well fucking act like it since doing the right thing only get's "them" bent over and anally raped by the people they are choosing to support. It's a good thing I'm such a scrupulous fucking person though and would never say or think something like this . . . .
Hooray for the update clarifying the matter. Doesnt change anything for me in the slightest because having to install a malicous spyware program on my PC is just as bad if not worse than having to have an always online connection.
So Much like diablo3, Damn near anything from ubisoft and other games that are obtrusively forcing adoption into procedures we should not have to do if we dont want to, EA will be getting money from me for this. Its regretable, but I would rather not play it than to perpetuate the precedent that this is ok for any company to do for any reason whatsoever.
So Much like diablo3, Damn near anything from ubisoft and other games that are obtrusively forcing adoption into procedures we should not have to do if we dont want to, EA will be getting money from me for this. Its regretable, but I would rather not play it than to perpetuate the precedent that this is ok for any company to do for any reason whatsoever.
That clarification is really worded poorly. Couldn't they have just said it requires a validation when you start up the game, but you don't need a connection afterwards? That seems like it'd be less confusin than sayin you must always be online...except when you don't.
I think that's a small misconception with offline mode that many people seem to be confused about. Some people seem to think that offline mode means no internet connection required at all. I've tested it myself, without an internet connection when you START steam, even in offline mode, it wont load your library. From what I can tell, steam requires an internet connection to retrieve your library first before letting you go offline mode. After it does that, you could be in the middle of no where without a connection playing your games.Andy Chalk said:
It's part of the reason why I always put my laptop into standby rather than shut it down, so steam will still have my library listed without needing the internet connection. Sure it's not what people expect it to be, but it's still a million times better than always on.
This whole 'you must have an internet connection so you can play online with people and have more fun' is getting a bit much, having an mmo element to this game is a great idea for those who want it, but making an internet connection mandatory is a bit silly :/
Really? Isn't it pretty much exactly the same thing? I mean I'm sure it's annoying when your connection goes down and you're booted from the game, but that's as nothing compared to the immeasurably more frequent times when the Internet is down on either your or EA's end, not to mention when they shut down the servers in a few months from now.Andy Chalk said:
And for all Steam isn't absolutely the ideal system you do have the option of offline mode.
Nope, doesn't change things at all. This isn't a Steam style check, not if it doesn't allow a completely offline mode like Steam does. If it allowed that, I'd consider it. As it is, it's only slightly better than Ubisoft's requirements. At least it won't dump you out after you convince the server you aren't a dirty, filthy piratical scumbag.Andy Chalk said:
Still a no-buy game for me, which is a real change given that I own just about every Sims game made since the original SimCity.
I think there's something wrong with your installation, or you're just missing the library tab. I've tried this for several months, if you start in offline mode you have full access to your library, you only ever need to go online for patching, cloud saves and community features. If your net is patchy you can just load it up on offline mode and get full access. But you DO need to select offline mode when online.Waaghpowa said:
