New Star Trek Series Boldly Goes Into Production
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Can we give this obsession with JJ Abrams and lens flares a rest already? Not only is the internet constantly blowing the lens flares of the 2009 reboot way out of proportion (if all someone knew about that movie was what the internet says about it they'd think that the whole movie was nothing but one giant lens flare which it obviously isn't even close) absolutely EVERYTHING that Abrams has even the barest thread of a relation to since the 2009 Star Trek everybody thinks that it'll be or has been a buttload of lens flares, despite the fact that Abrams has significantly toned the flares down since that movie.Loethlin said:
Sorry, I'm just sick and tired of hearing that crap, especially since I never even noticed or cared the lens flares were even there in that movie until I heard people on the net constantly whining about it. It's the "Arrow to the Knee" of movie memes.Loethlin said:
Oh, I understand. TBH, the flares only bugged me in a couple of scenes in the first one, and only started noticing more when the internet pointed them to me.immortalfrieza said:
But I did think he overdid them in Super 8. That train crash scene was a giant lens flare.
I don't see anything inherently bad about that, it depends entirely on what they actually plan on doing within that universe. The biggest strength about the various Trek series is that they focussed on different people doing different things - each series followed a different crew exploring different places and discovering different things, which is ultimately what Trek is supposed to be about. There was enough crossover and nods to continuity to clearly tie everything to the same universe, but they were separate enough not to be able to do their own thing.Kenjitsuka said:
The big problem with the reboot isn't the universe itself or even the more action-oriented style, it's simply that there's nothing new. We have the same characters filling the same roles while largely the same events play out, with a few twists that aren't really twisty enough to make a significant difference - the second reboot film still has exactly the same villain as the second original film.
If a new series does the same, with established characters visiting places and situations we've seen before, just with a "modern twist" to pretend its new and different, it's going to suck no matter what universe it's set in. But if it follows the classic Trek formula with new characters discovering new life and new civilisations, boldly going and so on, there's no reason being set in the rebooted universe should be a problem. The galaxy is a big place, and there's plenty of room for things we haven't seen before even if it's all happening at the same time as other things we've have seen.
I am very excited for a new series, but I am not at all thrilled about the prospect of it taking place in the rebooted Star Trek timeline. There are bound to be differences now that the Vulcans were nearly wiped out, but it seems inevitable that things we have already seen will end up being redone.
Besides, where were the temporal agents on that one? They'll protect the timeline by saving Enterprise-NX and Voyager from getting destroyed, but decide to give a pass on Vulcan getting destroyed? They put a lot of effort towards fixing stuff in both the Voyager and Enterprise eras, only to make it all utterly pointless as the *entire* timeline gets gutted.
Besides, where were the temporal agents on that one? They'll protect the timeline by saving Enterprise-NX and Voyager from getting destroyed, but decide to give a pass on Vulcan getting destroyed? They put a lot of effort towards fixing stuff in both the Voyager and Enterprise eras, only to make it all utterly pointless as the *entire* timeline gets gutted.
Won't be watching. I have zero interest in another streaming service that I'm charged a monthly fee for. Put it on the TV I already pay for and I'll give it a go. Otherwise, no. I'm not paying any more for TV than I already do. "The line must be drawn here! This far, no farther!". Sorry CBS.
I suppose I can always wait for it to end up on NetFlix, or perhaps get the BluRay versions. Assuming it's any good.
I suppose I can always wait for it to end up on NetFlix, or perhaps get the BluRay versions. Assuming it's any good.
Not to mention Romulan time agents. BUt then if they prevented the destruction of Romulus, we wouldn't have the Reboot, I guess. (not that this would be a problem for me)BoogieManFL said:
The complaints about the lens flare might be a bit hyperbolic, but I think they are a legitimate component of JJ's cinematography to critique. Just like the shaky camera work and extreme closeups. Heck, even Mr Abrams himself has said he's gone to far....(though that hasn't stopped the trailer for the new Star Wars from having lens flares of its own)immortalfrieza said:
Translation: "Seeing as how Star Wars is going to make billions of dollars, we want a slice of that by dragging out a beloved franchise and exploiting the sci fi fan base for our own greed."
...Kill Wesley's character within the first 5 minutes and i can get behind this.
...Kill Wesley's character within the first 5 minutes and i can get behind this.
so far the only official things we know are
a. new crew
b. "seeking imaginative new worlds and new civilizations, while exploring the dramatic contemporary themes that have been a signature of the franchise since its inception in 1966"
while my interest is perked im taking a wait and see until more is released. as long as its not the trek version of star gate universe ill be happy i got bored with that when the first 7 eps repeated themselves in plot
a. new crew
b. "seeking imaginative new worlds and new civilizations, while exploring the dramatic contemporary themes that have been a signature of the franchise since its inception in 1966"
while my interest is perked im taking a wait and see until more is released. as long as its not the trek version of star gate universe ill be happy i got bored with that when the first 7 eps repeated themselves in plot
Interesting, I suspect this is "Prime" which I was mentioning a while back. There had been rumors based on information coming down from Cryptic about what CBS might have been planning. Basically Cryptic Studios is the developer of "Star Trek Online" and one weird thing about that game is that they need permission from CBS/Paramount whenever they do anything involving canon characters or even within the basic game design. For example Cryptic wanted to allow Androids as captains, but they were told flat out they couldn't do that. Meaning that they have had their eyes on the IP for quite a while, and what's more they have been very careful to keep the "JJverse" separate from the "Prime" universe which is why you haven't seen uniforms, ship designs, or weapon skins or anything based on the JJ movies despite STO being given a lot of leeway to mix and match things from the non-JJ universe.
At any rate the bottom line is that JJ-Trek is considered something separate, and allegedly it's seen as something of a failure in the sense that it didn't draw in the existing, starved, trekkies as well as bringing in a new audience. The TV series and such still remain the focus of the fandom. Allegedly the regular trek continuity is referred to as the "Prime Universe" officially and it consists of ToS, TNG, DS-9, Voyager, and all the movies EXCEPT "First Contact", parts of Enterprise are considered canon but not all of it. Going back years ago the operative title for the new Star Trek series was going to be "Prime Universe" or "Prime" but that was obviously a placeholder name.
I'm calling it now, and while it could be wrong, I suspect it will be a direct sequel picking up a few decades after Voyager, allowing some old Trek actors from that show and TNG to make showings to bridge the gaps. Given how protective they were about the handling of artificial life forms, and not wanting a big focus on them in the MMO, that artificial life will probably be a major plot point, things probably not having gone well for Synthetics after the apparent death of Data despite previous victories for their rights in the series. Probably not the focus of the series, but I suspect it will heavily have to do with the subplots.
Interestingly, given the eye they have kept on it over the years I am wondering how much if any of Star Trek Online's storyline (which can be divorced from the insane gameplay mechanics) will be considered canon as it drew heavily from plot threads left hanging throughout the prime universe. It will be interesting if at some point they say reference to the Iconian War as a past event or have more than one faction of Romulans (Romulan Republic and remnants of the Romulan Star Empire). Given that in recent years former Trek actors have voiced their characters in STO and I'd imagine Cryptic needed permission to do that when it can't even release a new ship or costume without permission apparently it's interesting. I expect no references to the insanity or anyone's character, but I'd be greatly amused if a reference gets dropped here or there. I've heard STO described story-wise as a protracted action scene where plot wise the Federation goes to war and does all the kinds of things hinted at but not shown (due to the story focus), resolving a lot of the wars and conflicts begun in the TV series. STO being pretty much hack and slash Star Trek.
I'm not saying I know anything, just that it's interesting since I had heard about it and commented a few times about the back and forth between Cryptic and the IP owners making it clear they had plans for the continuity established over years as opposed to doing everything based on the reboots.... and let's be honest, the reboots were pushing it, and the entire final bit in the second movie was a huge nod and semi-spoof of the ending of Wrath Of Khan. It sort of depending on you knowing the real version to entirely "get it" and be amused. That's not a healthy sign, and I don't think anyone was expecting the reboots to be taken seriously after that.
At any rate the bottom line is that JJ-Trek is considered something separate, and allegedly it's seen as something of a failure in the sense that it didn't draw in the existing, starved, trekkies as well as bringing in a new audience. The TV series and such still remain the focus of the fandom. Allegedly the regular trek continuity is referred to as the "Prime Universe" officially and it consists of ToS, TNG, DS-9, Voyager, and all the movies EXCEPT "First Contact", parts of Enterprise are considered canon but not all of it. Going back years ago the operative title for the new Star Trek series was going to be "Prime Universe" or "Prime" but that was obviously a placeholder name.
I'm calling it now, and while it could be wrong, I suspect it will be a direct sequel picking up a few decades after Voyager, allowing some old Trek actors from that show and TNG to make showings to bridge the gaps. Given how protective they were about the handling of artificial life forms, and not wanting a big focus on them in the MMO, that artificial life will probably be a major plot point, things probably not having gone well for Synthetics after the apparent death of Data despite previous victories for their rights in the series. Probably not the focus of the series, but I suspect it will heavily have to do with the subplots.
Interestingly, given the eye they have kept on it over the years I am wondering how much if any of Star Trek Online's storyline (which can be divorced from the insane gameplay mechanics) will be considered canon as it drew heavily from plot threads left hanging throughout the prime universe. It will be interesting if at some point they say reference to the Iconian War as a past event or have more than one faction of Romulans (Romulan Republic and remnants of the Romulan Star Empire). Given that in recent years former Trek actors have voiced their characters in STO and I'd imagine Cryptic needed permission to do that when it can't even release a new ship or costume without permission apparently it's interesting. I expect no references to the insanity or anyone's character, but I'd be greatly amused if a reference gets dropped here or there. I've heard STO described story-wise as a protracted action scene where plot wise the Federation goes to war and does all the kinds of things hinted at but not shown (due to the story focus), resolving a lot of the wars and conflicts begun in the TV series. STO being pretty much hack and slash Star Trek.
I'm not saying I know anything, just that it's interesting since I had heard about it and commented a few times about the back and forth between Cryptic and the IP owners making it clear they had plans for the continuity established over years as opposed to doing everything based on the reboots.... and let's be honest, the reboots were pushing it, and the entire final bit in the second movie was a huge nod and semi-spoof of the ending of Wrath Of Khan. It sort of depending on you knowing the real version to entirely "get it" and be amused. That's not a healthy sign, and I don't think anyone was expecting the reboots to be taken seriously after that.
Yeah, excluding a great deal of your potential audience is always a terrible idea. Seeing as they are giving everybody who actually doesn't want to have to subscribe to a streaming service but also wants to watch this new show literally no other option but to either wait until it hits Netflix or DVD or pirate it they seem to practically be begging for the latter. The fact that it's not on network TV proves they don't have any real faith in the series in the first place.RonHiler said:
Honestly, I don't think Cryptic being involved would improve anything. They are incredibly lazy writers and I'd be hard-pressed to single out a story development that I'd say was an *improvement* on what came before-perhaps the development of the Remans, but considering they came out of ST Nemesis, that's not much of a high bar to exceed...and it came at the cost of the rest of the Star Empire being thrown out and replaced with a generic Rebel alliance faction.Therumancer said:
Their ship designs likewise....oversized pylons, hard angles...everywhere, and an excess of raised panels. Not too enthusiastic in that department either.
I'm actually hoping it *is* set in the NuTrek Universe...all the easier to ignore it.
If it's in the reboot universe then I don't care about it because it's shit. Not being able to watch it anyway isn't an issue (I'd just steal it, which is presumably what they WANT me to do by making it impossible for me to see by any other method) but I just don't care to. Fuck the reboot universe.
Probably the best and most honest reaction here. I'll take a look, of course, but I mean if they didn't 'do it' with Enterprise, then...well...you know.cjbos81 said:
I probably explained myself badly. I do not think Cryptic will be involved directly. I simply know that Viacom/CBS is involved with Cryptic and has acted as guardians of the IP, nixing things Cryptic wanted to do, and approving others. Basically Cryptic is very limited in what it can do without permission. This has been feeding speculation for a while that CBS had plans to do another show using the TNG/DS-9/TOS universe and didn't want Cryptic to do anything even more un-canon given their plans, after all why else would they not allow you to play as an android and things like that?Oroboros said:
I wasn't thinking they would do anything more than give Cryptic a nod if it came to that, referencing history or whatever. The point was mostly that given their guardianship of the IPs from Cryptic it seems likely that CBS/Viacom will ne using the so called "Prime Universe". As far as Nutrek goes, that's also a theory but we'll see what pans out, while fairly successful as movies it doesn't seem likely to bring out the fans the same way.