New Star Trek Series Pitch Approaches Warp Speed
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I'll be completely honest, I'm quite excited by the prospect of a new Star Trek series, especially if they manage to tie it in nicely to the canon whilst still managing to add new characters, races/civilisations etc.
Please no more Star Trek spin offs for at least another 20 years I will either be dead or close to it.
I'll probably get flamed to Hell for saying this so let me preface this with "I enjoyed Firefly a great deal."brodie21 said:
As good as Firefly was and as interesting as all of the characters were there wasn't really a chance of the series lasting more than one season ~20ish episodes anyway. It takes so long to get past the "they're space bandits doing whatever it takes to live under the radar of the government but still be comfortable and happy" and into the main story. Too many of the episodes feel like filler episodes when they should really be advancing the story/developing the characters.
Firefly definitely didn't get the respect or credit it deserved but it just doesn't stand up to a series like Star Trek.
Yes, this sounds like it could be good.
Definitely time for Trek to return to serial format. If it really would go back to the more risque-but-positive style (in its context) of the original series, that would be awesome beyond belief.
Although, I do hope they give up the Prime Directive (aka The Giant Reset).
Definitely time for Trek to return to serial format. If it really would go back to the more risque-but-positive style (in its context) of the original series, that would be awesome beyond belief.
Although, I do hope they give up the Prime Directive (aka The Giant Reset).
I'm glad to see they didn't immediately force another series on stage without giving time for Enterprise to pass through the cultural rectum and into reruns, or for the writers to rethink their mistakes and what it was that made the series so popular to start with. Having barely paid Trek any attention until recently I actually enjoyed the 'black sheep' Voyager the most, though I understand that Deep Space Nine is widely considered the best despite not being a true 'journey' in a ship per se.
Amusingly, a book I once read had two characters in it pitching ideas for a new Trek at each other, one being a distant future setting where the Dominion has taken over. Whatever the setting, I found the various storylines most engaging (bad pun sorry) when they're dealing with future spins on current-day issues, such as the 'hologram liberation crisis' seen in Voyager. They could also stand to spend more time developing more interesting recurring villains than the xenophobic alien of the day.
Amusingly, a book I once read had two characters in it pitching ideas for a new Trek at each other, one being a distant future setting where the Dominion has taken over. Whatever the setting, I found the various storylines most engaging (bad pun sorry) when they're dealing with future spins on current-day issues, such as the 'hologram liberation crisis' seen in Voyager. They could also stand to spend more time developing more interesting recurring villains than the xenophobic alien of the day.
But in the future we might have communicators man! communicators!Wieke said:
And, like, laser surgery!
And intergalactic spaceships!
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2/3 between 1969 and now isn't too bad I guess.
I do not like the whole "younger cast" thing that everyone thinks is necessary. Why do we need younger cast members? Do you really think that this show's demographic cares about how hip people are?
It's probably not gonna be an issue, it's just annoying catering to the assumed target demographic gets priority over everything else, it seems.
Besides that, I want to see how it goes, it sounds interesting.
I would imagine they use a crapload of holograms projected to make it seem future-ey.
It's probably not gonna be an issue, it's just annoying catering to the assumed target demographic gets priority over everything else, it seems.
Besides that, I want to see how it goes, it sounds interesting.
Personally, I'm pretty happy with this future we got. For anyone of the 60's to see how kingly we live (even among a GODDAMNED RECESSION) would make them drool.Speakercone said:But in the future we might have communicators man! communicators!Wieke said:
And, like, laser surgery!
And intergalactic spaceships!
...
2/3 between 1969 and now isn't too bad I guess.
I would imagine they use a crapload of holograms projected to make it seem future-ey.
The Twilight Zone and the Outer Limits both had remakes in the 90s I believe, they were hit and miss (I found the new Outer Limits to be the better of the two). I'm pretty sure that Eureka has another season before its cancellation, which might honestly be a good thing after some of the recent episodes. Andromeda is something I really don't want anyone to touch again because it was based on a collection of Gene Roddenbury's notes and it seems like they massively misinterpreted what was supposed to be a deep political and philosophical space opera (at least that's what I got from races like the Nietzscheans, but they really quickly just became the standard Klingons of the series). Would love to see some more Babylon 5 and Buck Rogers though. Hell, I'm such a geek I'd like them to remake Space Cases for God's sake.The_root_of_all_evil said:
I was hoping they'd decide to give The Original Series the run it never got the chance to have, following up on the momentum and cast changes of the movie. Alas.
So let's just predict this: ANOTHER HUMAN CAPTAIN. Sigh.
Captains to date: Young White Male, Mature White Male, Black Male, White Female. And ALL HUMAN. I think it's high time we put an alien in the driver's seat.
This glorious future of integrated races? Three of the four crews have only token aliens! (Enterprise gets a pass for being set in the space pioneer days, when they were just realizing that non-humans existed.) And the aliens aren't ever in positions any higher than Security Chief (Captain is unfailingly human, and First Mate also in all the shows set on ships).
TOS: Vulcan. One. No other aliens among the main cast. Fine, it's the starter series, and they did their best to go multi-culti with the humans (already pushing the boundaries of what TV would allow), so it's acceptable.
TNG: One each Klingon, Betazoid, and Android. Loses points because 2 of the 3 can pass for human without even tying headbands around their ears.
DS9: Now we're getting somewhere! Bajoran, Trill, Changeling, three Ferengi... well, the Trill could pass for a human with tattoos, but we've got a main cast that's less than half human (Sisko, Bashir, O'Brien... and Bashir's augmented). The setting, the alien-cameo bar, and the racial tensions really helped this one.
VOY: Vulcan, Half-Klingon, Hologram, and two Hitchhikers; later trade one hitchhiker for a (human!) Borg. Feels like a bunch of humans who brought a few aliens along for the ride. Even the initial attempt at tensions between the two crews (the selling point for the series!) breaks down nigh-instantly, and at no point after the first couple of episodes could you look at background characters and tell which crew they originally came from.
We need an alien captain!
In fact, it'd help if the aliens stopped joining crews solo. Imagine a crew with two or three Vulcans of similar status and cast importance who could play off each other. This worked well for DS9 with the Ferengi, and with multiple Bajorans arguing with each other over the best way to achieve their goals. I've seen it work well in other series as well.
In fact, for an idea of "humanity from the point of view of an alien," go read the webcomic Freefall. You get not one but three non-human lenses by which to see our foibles. It's doable.
And it'd start us off on an intriguing shift from the Star Trek norm... we're ready for that.
So let's just predict this: ANOTHER HUMAN CAPTAIN. Sigh.
Captains to date: Young White Male, Mature White Male, Black Male, White Female. And ALL HUMAN. I think it's high time we put an alien in the driver's seat.
This glorious future of integrated races? Three of the four crews have only token aliens! (Enterprise gets a pass for being set in the space pioneer days, when they were just realizing that non-humans existed.) And the aliens aren't ever in positions any higher than Security Chief (Captain is unfailingly human, and First Mate also in all the shows set on ships).
TOS: Vulcan. One. No other aliens among the main cast. Fine, it's the starter series, and they did their best to go multi-culti with the humans (already pushing the boundaries of what TV would allow), so it's acceptable.
TNG: One each Klingon, Betazoid, and Android. Loses points because 2 of the 3 can pass for human without even tying headbands around their ears.
DS9: Now we're getting somewhere! Bajoran, Trill, Changeling, three Ferengi... well, the Trill could pass for a human with tattoos, but we've got a main cast that's less than half human (Sisko, Bashir, O'Brien... and Bashir's augmented). The setting, the alien-cameo bar, and the racial tensions really helped this one.
VOY: Vulcan, Half-Klingon, Hologram, and two Hitchhikers; later trade one hitchhiker for a (human!) Borg. Feels like a bunch of humans who brought a few aliens along for the ride. Even the initial attempt at tensions between the two crews (the selling point for the series!) breaks down nigh-instantly, and at no point after the first couple of episodes could you look at background characters and tell which crew they originally came from.
We need an alien captain!
In fact, it'd help if the aliens stopped joining crews solo. Imagine a crew with two or three Vulcans of similar status and cast importance who could play off each other. This worked well for DS9 with the Ferengi, and with multiple Bajorans arguing with each other over the best way to achieve their goals. I've seen it work well in other series as well.
In fact, for an idea of "humanity from the point of view of an alien," go read the webcomic Freefall. You get not one but three non-human lenses by which to see our foibles. It's doable.
And it'd start us off on an intriguing shift from the Star Trek norm... we're ready for that.
I personally loved some of the updated Twilight Zones. The Elevator is possibly the scariest thing I've ever seen. Still be good to see updated episodes with a decent budget.Blind Sight said:
It did. It doesn't.
It was Hercules in Space realistically, but then Firefly is Cowboys in Space - as was Blake's 7.
Very different shows though. B5 was the Dallas to Buck Rogers Hollyoaks.
I'd even bring back Out of this World. Just something to stop the rest of Earth turning it's back on Star Travel now that NASA is gone.
After 5 major series totaling around 700 episodes and 11 theatrical films I think it?s about time Star Trek be put out to pasture. Seriously, how can a series that is at least in theory based on exploring the unknown and going where no one has gone before stay fresh after so long? It?s not that I dislike Star Trek (I was especially fond of TNG); it?s just that I don?t want it to become anymore of a Zombie Franchise than it already is.
Well they have a chance to do something revolutionary, which is to bring the Romulans in to the main stream which every other series has avoided like the freaking plague. This demands two things:
One: Write the Rihannsu books in as Cannon dang it!
Two: Kick Nemesis out of Cannon!
Nemesis was just about the worst kick in the nuts for the Romulans. If they can pull the Romulans in to the Federation, or at least get on speaking terms with them this opens the door for a huge new slew of enemies. Because the Romulans will splinter over any friendly action with the Federation, which will most likely cause them a civil war. They kinda need the Federation anyways since their economy has been on the brink of failure for well on 200 years. On top of that they're constantly being reamed by the Klingons, so with the Rihannsu books the Romulans eventually rolling in to the Federation is their only option.
Having a new race with a vastly different culture, some what hostile, and then throwing a couple on the new enterprise would cover half a season in entertainment value.
One: Write the Rihannsu books in as Cannon dang it!
Two: Kick Nemesis out of Cannon!
Nemesis was just about the worst kick in the nuts for the Romulans. If they can pull the Romulans in to the Federation, or at least get on speaking terms with them this opens the door for a huge new slew of enemies. Because the Romulans will splinter over any friendly action with the Federation, which will most likely cause them a civil war. They kinda need the Federation anyways since their economy has been on the brink of failure for well on 200 years. On top of that they're constantly being reamed by the Klingons, so with the Rihannsu books the Romulans eventually rolling in to the Federation is their only option.
Having a new race with a vastly different culture, some what hostile, and then throwing a couple on the new enterprise would cover half a season in entertainment value.
This sounds like it's going to be the leadup to STO, with Federation-Klingon relations breaking down, as they have in STO. If you ask me, awesome. I love the sound of this.