New Torchwood Trailer Gets a Little Gun Happy
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It's Russell T. Davies, what did you expect?The_root_of_all_evil said:
Why? Why did this have to happen? Why must you ruin us so?
He's not one for consistency and really doesn't care about his shows and if they stick to some semblance of a pattern.
He's already proven that he doesn't care by having said on multiple occasions that fans can go screw themselves, because they care to much for the shows he does, and he should be able to write whatever he wants even if it makes no sense. That is probably why he killed off Ianto(Not that I cared for him) in Children of Earth, because fans were pissed that Davies killed off two of the team in the end of season two, and so he killed Ianto just to piss more people off.
I'm just glad I haven't heard anymore about that stupid Doctor Who movie he wanted to do that would obviously be against canon, and have Johnny Depp play The Doctor. I'm willing to bet the BBC nixed it immediately not long after he mentioned it, because they know how it would piss off fans and become PR nightmare. Besides, it was easy to see when Davies said, he wanted to reach more than just fans(meaning a big middle finger to people that care), that he was just doing it to try and make a quick cash-in.
I liked the seasons of Doctor Who he was a part of making, Tennant is my favorite Doctor, but all of that can be chalked up to that Davies was being tied down and more than just him had a hold of the lead line. Plus Eccleston and Tennant could act greatly enough that they made Davies stuff seem like gold. On that, he was the reason Eccleston left the show after the first season. He had a disagreement about what Davies was doing, and Davies wrote him out.
Davies after this, just needs to disappear and never darken the door of science fiction and fantasy ever again. I think his would best be suited to writing for a daytime soap opera, well now that I think of it, it's best that nobody has to suffer his writing and direction. Russell, be kind, retire from writing and don't come back.
My bad, I mixed up End of Time and Journey's End. Too much Ending in DW!TimeLord said:
And that one doesn't count because it's not really a crossover, isn't it? It's a ten seconds team tie-in so Jack has someone to talk to while looking sexy.
I like to only call it a crossover when the people from both series (Jack excluded in that case) do actually interact, at best even have adventures together.
Now the SJA - that is what I call crossovers. SJ, Mister Smith and K-9 appearing in Journey's End? Check. SJ and the Doc fighting the Daleks and flying the TARDIS together? Check. Mat appearing in the SJA and talking about a major plot development in his own series? Check-pot!
How has the US ruined Doctor Who? The US has had no hand in Doctor Who. It is still run by the BBC, the writers are not from America.somonels said:
The only thing that the US was a part of is that the two beginning episodes of this season were filmed in America. Oh no, the big bad America got to be a part of something. Oh, and I guess BBC America now gets to air it the same day as it airs in the UK. Oh no, Americans actually get to watch something they like from the BBC without having to watch a ripped episode on the internet, or wait a couple weeks for it to possibly air on some station in America, or until it comes to DVD.
I saw nothing wrong with the episodes that were filmed in America, oh, so they made some jokes about America and actually let some American history be intertwined into the show. So what, it did nothing.
This season has actually be better than last season, I just hope it doesn't run off the tracks like it did with the final two episodes of last season(They were messed up and uncalled for).
Edit: Besides, the Americanization of this new coming season of Torchwood, is only the Americas fault because Russell T. Davies allowed it to happen. He is the creator of the show, and he did move to America(It's a bigger place to hide from the Doctor Who fans and fans in general that want to rip his hands off so he can't write again). He allowed this to happen because he likes to unnecessarily shake things up, because he knows it pisses fans off.
Agreed. America hasn't ruined Doctor Who. It didn't even ruin the first two episodes of the series. I agree that this series is better than 5 so far, although the only gripe I have with this series is the eyepatch lady. She is even more obvious and blatant than the cracks in time!Sonic Doctor said:
I guess Moffat didn't like the whole hiding little secrets thing that was going on when Davies was in charge.TimeLord said:
It was probably the only thing Davies did right, if it was him that started the whole secret setup.
And as I edited my post you quoted, I pointed out that it really isn't America's fault that Torchwood is getting Americanized. As we all know, Davies ran off here because he wanted to escape people ripping him apart in the UK. There are still a lot of Doctor Who fans in America, but America has more places for him to hide. I feel that the reason Davies changes things the way he does, is because he like hearing fans yell at him for changing things. Davies personality just screams attention whore.
Which is weird when you think about it. I thought series 2 and 3 of Doctor Who was very restrictive in terms of being in your face, including the brilliant Saxon motive through series 3, which I barely noticed until my second watch through of the series as a whole. But then you had series 4 and the whole "Donna is the special-chosen-one-who-will-save-the-universe" plot thread. Which, while I enjoyed, was way too obvious.Sonic Doctor said:
The thing is, I believe in the first three series, the BBC had a tight hold on Davies, and he wasn't allowed to do like what he did with a good portion of Torchwood. Though, I think they gave him a little more leeway on the fourth series because he was leaving, or maybe it is what he did with the leeway that the BBC made him leave. I don't know; it is so confusing.TimeLord said:
Though, as much as it seemed people hated the finale of the 4th series, I thought it was brilliant. Old and dark Doctor compared to the changed for the better Doctor, oh and the whole Dalek thing in general, and especially the Daleks zipping through the forests of Germany "Exterminieren! Exterminieren! Halt!", which was an awesome relation of how the Daleks are like the Nazis.
Even though the cracks thing was staring us right in the face, I liked how it was built up in series five, but I think the ball was dropped with the finale episodes. The Doctor was acting way too crazy and joking, don't get me wrong, I like it when some comedy is put in for Smith to use, but for a thing as serious as what was happening in the finale, it seemed like Moffat tried to turn it into comedy hour(s). Then with the whole stupid universe reboot thing, and how the Doctor survived. I remember how people complained about how Davies wrote in ways for the Doctor to survive that were hardly believable. But really, Moffat put in that the Doctor was wished back into existence by one person. It is so cheesy and at least with Davies' ways, they could be understood when thinking about them in a science fiction perspective.
With the series five survival of the Doctor, with how corny it was, it wouldn't have been out of place if the Doctor had come out of the TARDIS and quoted Bender's immortal words:
Yeah, and what is with the Gwen holding, her baby I guess, while firing a gun. If she isn't like in her house or something when that happens, it is going to make no sense. "Oh, the world is in danger from something, better take my baby with me when I go into battle against whatever is happening."dogstile said:
I love Doctor Who, I love Torchwood, I love Captain Jack Harkness, I do not love this trailer. It just doesn't sit right with me. It looks to over the top. Did I see Gwen holding a baby and a gun? The... f-*Sigh*. I'll wait and see how this turns out, but I do feel let down by the trailer.
Why does everyone always complain that the Doctor surviving like that is stupid, but never even mentions the fact that Amy's parents were brought back the same way. If you're going to complain at least be consistent or you basically leave big holes in your argumentSonic Doctor said:
Why do I have to explain every point where it happens?Pallindromemordnillap said:
It is obviously easy to rightfully assume that if I have a problem with one instance of the bringing back, that I have problem with it happening with the parents as well.
Since the Doctor is the main character, I used his instance as the example. All other occurrences of the same thing should automatically be taken as things I have an objection to as well.
I really have and objection to the whole "rebooting" the universe thing. They could have easily created a sci-fiction sounding explanation for the Doctor to get out of this situation without things being "wish-fixed".
Don't take your eyes off that...The_root_of_all_evil said:
Why? Why did this have to happen? Why must you ruin us so?
Pacing... this new series will have none.
I think it's funny that old Torchwood chose to be an adult spin off to Doctor Who by dealing with ADULT issues. Not just violence, but sex (and liberal interpretations thereof), ethical issues, and provoking fear with some really creepy monsters (the aliens who converted children in to hallucinogenic drug factories in Children of Earth were a highlight). But who needs that when you can just have MOAR 'SPLOSIONS WOOOOO!!!11!!!
well derpy fucking doo!
Anyone else find it ironic that they obviously want to make it more hardcore for American audiences, and yet the most shocking thing they could have done in the eyes of most American audiences is just keep presenting Jacks ability to have loving gay relationships with people?
Hands up who thinks we won't be seeing much more of that.
/sarky British rage.
I think it's funny that old Torchwood chose to be an adult spin off to Doctor Who by dealing with ADULT issues. Not just violence, but sex (and liberal interpretations thereof), ethical issues, and provoking fear with some really creepy monsters (the aliens who converted children in to hallucinogenic drug factories in Children of Earth were a highlight). But who needs that when you can just have MOAR 'SPLOSIONS WOOOOO!!!11!!!
well derpy fucking doo!
Anyone else find it ironic that they obviously want to make it more hardcore for American audiences, and yet the most shocking thing they could have done in the eyes of most American audiences is just keep presenting Jacks ability to have loving gay relationships with people?
Hands up who thinks we won't be seeing much more of that.
/sarky British rage.