New US ISP sanctioned/controlled piracy database will mean the end to internet privacy.

[Aeshi]

This. Its like people that ***** about speed cameras....if you dont break the speed limit then you have nothing to worry about. What did people think? They would continue to let people steal other peoples property and do nothing? Although i do love how people are getting really uptight about it all. lol. I liked that some one brought up freedom of information. lol.

Well since you don't seem to value your privacy how about you post your browsing history, maybe your emails for the past few months, and say the contents of your downloads folder. I mean unless you are doing something wrong you should have no problem with that right?

Because giving your information to one corporation is the same thing as putting it on the internet for everyone to see right?

 

[SonOfVoorhees]

This. Its like people that ***** about speed cameras....if you dont break the speed limit then you have nothing to worry about. What did people think? They would continue to let people steal other peoples property and do nothing? Although i do love how people are getting really uptight about it all. lol. I liked that some one brought up freedom of information. lol.

Well since you don't seem to value your privacy how about you post your browsing history, maybe your emails for the past few months, and say the contents of your downloads folder. I mean unless you are doing something wrong you should have no problem with that right?

Thats makes zero sense. If police or who ever want to search my PC, they can go ahead. Whats that got to do with giving info to total strangers on a web forum? I value my privacy but am not afraid if someone in authority wants to look at it. You reasoning is nonsense.

 

[zehydra]

This isn't that bad.

It also ISN'T that bad that it's being handed to private companies.

 

[Jabberwock xeno]

This. Its like people that ***** about speed cameras....if you dont break the speed limit then you have nothing to worry about. What did people think? They would continue to let people steal other peoples property and do nothing? Although i do love how people are getting really uptight about it all. lol. I liked that some one brought up freedom of information. lol.

Well since you don't seem to value your privacy how about you post your browsing history, maybe your emails for the past few months, and say the contents of your downloads folder. I mean unless you are doing something wrong you should have no problem with that right?

Thats makes zero sense. If police or who ever want to search my PC, they can go ahead. Whats that got to do with giving info to total strangers on a web forum? I value my privacy but am not afraid if someone in authority wants to look at it. You reasoning is nonsense.

Even though it's not the authorties, but private coperations?

 

[Xanthious]

This. Its like people that ***** about speed cameras....if you dont break the speed limit then you have nothing to worry about. What did people think? They would continue to let people steal other peoples property and do nothing? Although i do love how people are getting really uptight about it all. lol. I liked that some one brought up freedom of information. lol.

Well since you don't seem to value your privacy how about you post your browsing history, maybe your emails for the past few months, and say the contents of your downloads folder. I mean unless you are doing something wrong you should have no problem with that right?

Thats makes zero sense. If police or who ever want to search my PC, they can go ahead. Whats that got to do with giving info to total strangers on a web forum? I value my privacy but am not afraid if someone in authority wants to look at it. You reasoning is nonsense.

Hey, if you have nothing to hide you got nothing to hide. It should be irrelevant who wants to look. Obviously you are a criminal of some sort.

However, if you want to limit it to only people in positions of authority then you should have a huge problem with arrangement being talked about in this thread. Last I checked my ISP had fuck all when it came to authority. I pay them for a service and expect them to provide me with an internet connection and get the fuck on with their day.

Although I personally won't be bothered in the least by this change for various reasons I will not be so quick as to expect others to roll over and give up their privacy needlessly to some faceless business that is way too far reaching in it's observation.

 

[JoJo]

No offence but if you hate the users on this forum so much, why are you still here? This isn't the first time I've seen you accuse the members here of being child abusers or worse and ignoring legitimate arguments against this kind of law, such as the ISP's having the power to cut off access without any legal proof of the accused actually pirating. If you want to support this law then fine, it's your right to have an opinion, but don't try to scare-monger opponents into silence by associating them with criminals.

In all 3000 posts plus time here I have seen just one person defending child pornography, this isn't exactly a forum-full of sickos.

Okay, I was angry, and I should not have stated my perception applied to the majority of the Escapist community rather than a vocal minority. I've been here since 2008, a member since 2009; I would've left long ago if it weren't for the fact that there are genuine discussions to be had on these boards. I flare up sometimes, I'll be the first to admit that; That being said, in my experience it seems I've encountered far more of these individuals than you have.

I don't necessarily view the law in a positive light either, merely as a step in the right direction. No, ISPs probably shouldn't be cutting off access without proof, but if they have said proof, then why not? It's companies protecting their property.

Also, if you're going to call me out on "scare-mongering" people opposed to this bill, at least have the courtesy to hold some amount of disdain for the people comparing their "right" to pirate to the civil and women's rights movements.

Really, that's strange because I have quite an interest in the topic and whenever I see it I'll take a look and challenge any viewpoint who I think is threatening children's rights. While I won't pretend to have seen every thread, I find it hard to believe that someone with just 200 posts has encountered many more deviants here than I have. Could you link some examples please?

Of-course some people have over-reacted as they always do, I'm pretty sure a very similar system to this is in my native country of the UK and after the fuss where it was pushed through parliament last year not much has happened. Since I'm not a torrent-jockey unless I get falsely accused it won't affect me anyway so whatever. I was more annoyed at you insinuating bad things about this community really than your support of this law, silly as it may sound I'm quite loyal to this site and it's people.

 

[feather240]

I don't see how this infringes on privacy rights. We've agreed to their terms. They aren't coming into our houses and watching us against our will, they're just monitoring the traffic they could already see. If we haven't already agreed to it they'll just slap a EULA on the next bill and call it a day.

But I'm not worried. ISPs have no reason to care about piracy. It's just another reason to pay for a high-speed internet.

 

[Alphakirby]

I'm not worried, I'd love to see them try to keep up with and review the content of all files transferred over the internet

Don't forget about the hackers. You know somebody will take this shit down when word gets out.

OT: Ok,this is just fucking ridiculous,why the hell should my rights be compromised,it doesn't matter if you pirate or not because it can only get worse later on. Imagine not being able to use Google to search up how to build something without the government being able to see it and determine if they should arrest you for it.

All I know for sure is that THIS is no better than piracy,different tests of morality,the same low morals for both.

 

[Low Key]

Stuff like this is bound of turn what is supposed to be a positive thing into a terrible thing.

Why is that? Because I can just drive to another neighborhood, find an unsecured network, connect to it and download illegal files till my heart's content. And for the tens of thousands of people out there still using WEP keys to secure their routers, WEP is incredibly easy to crack. It takes mere seconds to spoof MAC addresses and hardware serial numbers.

Sure, most people don't know how to do any of that stuff I just described, but how many will learn if something like this becomes widespread? It's just like every other form of piracy prevention out there, and no one here can even try to tell me those measures have solved a damn thing.

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

I read the link but it didn't say anything about them warning you for merely visiting a site with torrents or for merely downloading something even if it wasn't copyrighted. In fact it said that if they received no more complaints about you by the holders, they would axe your ISP info after 12 months.

If they're saying "no more" it means that they will have to have received a complaint about your conduct from a copyright holder, which would NOT be the case if you just visited a torrent site or downloaded something with nobody having it copyrighted.


Am I missing something here...?

 

[Csae]

Private companies getting ahold of your private security details? No. . . No worries m8. Its all cool.

Nope. None at all. I'm not doing anything incriminating, so why should it bother me? The only reason you WOULD get bothered is if those details implicated you in something.

I guarantee you Stall, that you have done something bad at some point in the duration of this year alone. You have broken some sort of copyright law, threatened someone, broken a contract, pressured someone, God. Do you even know the number of things you can do that can be considered wrong and cause you trouble and/or receive punishment for?

Hell, do you even have the right to copy/modify/redistribute the photo you are using for an avatar? The company now has proof of this and could sue you for copyright infringement.

Seriously.

 

[DJ_DEnM]

From what I understand (And what I am concerned about =_=) Is that now the government will see you browsing porn >_>

 

[theheroofaction]

Yeah this is all terrifying until you remember this course of events.

1. a computer can't tell the difference between a novel and a guy posting a company newsletter, similarly it can't tell the difference between freeware and piracy.

2. this means that it will have humans hired to look through bittorent downloads

3. most people really don't care what gets downloaded.

4. people who don't care only work when their boss knows what they're doing, which for corporations with large amounts of people is just about never.

 

[LuckyClover95]

Am I the only one not enraged, I don't think it's that bad. Maybe I just don't understand it.

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

Yeah this is all terrifying until you remember this course of events.

1. a computer can't tell the difference between a novel and a guy posting a company newsletter, similarly it can't tell the difference between freeware and piracy.

2. this means that it will have humans hired to look through bittorent downloads

3. most people really don't care what gets downloaded.

4. people who don't care only work when their boss knows what they're doing, which for corporations with large amounts of people is just about never.

Yes, that's what I figured as well.

This whole "you'll get punished for simply browsing a certain kind of site or for downloading ANYTHING, even if it's not copyrighted" bit of the first post seems entirely unfounded.

 

[Jabberwock xeno]

Yeah this is all terrifying until you remember this course of events.

1. a computer can't tell the difference between a novel and a guy posting a company newsletter, similarly it can't tell the difference between freeware and piracy.

2. this means that it will have humans hired to look through bittorent downloads

3. most people really don't care what gets downloaded.

4. people who don't care only work when their boss knows what they're doing, which for corporations with large amounts of people is just about never.

Yes, that's what I figured as well.

This whole "you'll get punished for simply browsing a certain kind of site or for downloading ANYTHING, even if it's not copyrighted" bit of the first post seems entirely unfounded.

That's what the artcile implies, and honestly, I don't trust the ISP's would only warn you after they can verfify you actually downloaded something, and that that download is illegal.

This measure doesn't seem to be aimed at piracy, but file sharing sites themselves.

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

You know, if you didn't pirate things, you wouldn't have to worry about it. Saying you are concerned with this sort-of thing is more or less admitting to piracy, since it wouldn't bother you in the slightest if you didn't illegally download things.

The argument that "pople have nothing to fear from surveillance unless they are doing something wrong" is flawed.

It presupposes we live in an ideal world, but as moviebob said, this isn't an ideal world, this is the real world, shitty world, where having your info available and your rights constantly cut can lead to really terrible ends. If it was an ideal world there wouldn't be any piracy to begin with.

That's what the artcile implies, and honestly, I don't trust the ISP's would only warn you after they can verfify you actually downloaded something, and that that download is illegal.

This measure doesn't seem to be aimed at piracy, but file sharing sites themselves.

I honestly don't see that. I read it over twice and I think you're just panicking a bit. It's not like file sharing is entirely bit-torrent related, as someone who used to use Kazaa back in the day (god how much did that suck btw lol), BT has been just one of the many ways people can share files and not all of them can be monitored. Hell, they can prolly make a bunch of new ones that this law won't be cover in the time it'll take for it to be in effect anyways.

 

[Jabberwock xeno]

You know, if you didn't pirate things, you wouldn't have to worry about it. Saying you are concerned with this sort-of thing is more or less admitting to piracy, since it wouldn't bother you in the slightest if you didn't illegally download things.

The argument that "pople have nothing to fear from surveillance unless they are doing something wrong" is flawed.

It presupposes we live in an ideal world, but as moviebob said, this isn't an ideal world, this is the real world, shitty world, where having your info available and your rights constantly cut can lead to really terrible ends. If it was an ideal world there wouldn't be any piracy to begin with.

That's what the artcile implies, and honestly, I don't trust the ISP's would only warn you after they can verfify you actually downloaded something, and that that download is illegal.

This measure doesn't seem to be aimed at piracy, but file sharing sites themselves.

I honestly don't see that. I read it over twice and I think you're just panicking a bit. It's not like file sharing is entirely bit-torrent related, as someone who used to use Kazaa back in the day (god how much did that suck btw lol), BT has been just one of the many ways people can share files and not all of them can be monitored. Hell, they can prolly make a bunch of new ones that this law won't be cover in the time it'll take for it to be in effect anyways.

I think we are looking at this in different ways.

I'm not conerned with how this will directly effect piracy.

I'm concerned that every ISP will have access to each other's customer's (IE: every internet user in the country) information and browsing habits.

This would be the equilvent of installing a spyware program on every computer in the country, then stopping or detortating their service based on what they do.

I'm concerned that this info will be used in other ways, we already are having issues over net nutrality, and this is basically a slap in the face to that.

Now it may just be for pirated content, (what if the user doesn't know its pirated?), but I can see them using it against people for other reasons, and since they have ZERO oversight by a offcial regulatory organzation, nobody could stop them unless the public finds out.

Plus, this is basically circumventing antitrust laws, ins't the tmobile and at&t merger being blocked?

This is even worse.

 

[babinro]

I guess I must be misinterpreting the article because I see nothing here to get angry about if you are using the internet for legal purposes.

ISP's will hold information they already hold. Information will not be shared unless there is legal cause to do so. And the individual ISP can choose the punishment they want to inflict towards the person breaking the law. Meaning if you don't like how your provider handles your illegal use of the internet...you can find another one.