New US ISP sanctioned/controlled piracy database will mean the end to internet privacy.
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I don't really pirate things anymore, but this is a step in the wrong direction for sure. The majority of government parties around the world(and corporations) want privacy abolished on the internet.
ISP want this so they can charge you a SHIT ton of money for the content you view legally(pay more for say data sent from You Tube, or game servers).
Media companies want it so you held accountable for the content you might pirate.
Governments want it so they can stop crimes, and of course collect the taxes from the above two.
This is simply another blow in the side to net neutrality, which is something that is being threatened more and more lately.
Capitalism will destroy the internet and its free wealth of information because of piracy. There will be a day that browsing pornography will cost you more per MB(or GB) than it will be to read the new, because ISP know that porn = more $$$ for them.
If this really concerns you so much look up your countries Pirate Party, and support them. These are the guys that are attempting to stop this kind of stuff from happening(well not this because they don't condone downloading illegal content), but they believe in keeping the internet and open place.
Also if it is one company keeping all this information, what kind of privacy policies are they being held to? They will be sitting on a wealth of information, in the form of statistics, that companies will want to purchase.
ISP want this so they can charge you a SHIT ton of money for the content you view legally(pay more for say data sent from You Tube, or game servers).
Media companies want it so you held accountable for the content you might pirate.
Governments want it so they can stop crimes, and of course collect the taxes from the above two.
This is simply another blow in the side to net neutrality, which is something that is being threatened more and more lately.
Capitalism will destroy the internet and its free wealth of information because of piracy. There will be a day that browsing pornography will cost you more per MB(or GB) than it will be to read the new, because ISP know that porn = more $$$ for them.
If this really concerns you so much look up your countries Pirate Party, and support them. These are the guys that are attempting to stop this kind of stuff from happening(well not this because they don't condone downloading illegal content), but they believe in keeping the internet and open place.
Also if it is one company keeping all this information, what kind of privacy policies are they being held to? They will be sitting on a wealth of information, in the form of statistics, that companies will want to purchase.
I think the biggest problem here is that it is going to be managed by a company now and not enforced by the ISP which to my understanding has been the case. Your IP numbers will sit in a vault at a company who can sell this information to advertising companies, who can then direct information your way. Because lets be honest, who says these guys will only watch illegal torrents. Although illegal torrents probably make the vast majority or torrents out there, they will probably watch the legal ones as well.babinro said:
Not terribly long ago (and in some countries today) gay 'activities' were illegal,Stall said:
So it's not unthinkable to compare media piracy to the above.
This is beyond stupid. I can't believe I'm actually seeing posts in support or without-irk.
Did you notice how they're picking out 'pirates' by the sites people go to? Not every torrent is an illegal file. So if a band were to put up a song or album on a file-sharing site (which I have seen done) and I downloaded it, my ISP would consider me a pirate and I'd already have a warning on my rap. And I didn't even do something illegal.
Beyond that, your ISP would know everything about your activity online. Whether you have anything to hide or not, isn't that discomforting? Don't you find that wrong at all?
Now, I won't say anything like 'people have a right to the Internet,' but given the importance of the Internet in modern society, can you imagine how crippled someone would be without an Internet connection? That's just not fair, plain and simple.
This is essentially the same thing as tapping phones to prevent drug deals, and I'm sure none of you would like that at all. (I don't know how often deals are made or initiated over the phone, but for all intents and purposes let's say it's relatively common.)
This is a matter of privacy, not of piracy.
Did you notice how they're picking out 'pirates' by the sites people go to? Not every torrent is an illegal file. So if a band were to put up a song or album on a file-sharing site (which I have seen done) and I downloaded it, my ISP would consider me a pirate and I'd already have a warning on my rap. And I didn't even do something illegal.
Beyond that, your ISP would know everything about your activity online. Whether you have anything to hide or not, isn't that discomforting? Don't you find that wrong at all?
Now, I won't say anything like 'people have a right to the Internet,' but given the importance of the Internet in modern society, can you imagine how crippled someone would be without an Internet connection? That's just not fair, plain and simple.
This is essentially the same thing as tapping phones to prevent drug deals, and I'm sure none of you would like that at all. (I don't know how often deals are made or initiated over the phone, but for all intents and purposes let's say it's relatively common.)
This is a matter of privacy, not of piracy.
I'm pretty sure I've gotten one of these notifications from my internet provider. They shut off my internet because they found out I had used BitTorrent to download some movies and wouldn't let me back on until I promised not to do it again. In my defense, I didn't know it was illegal. I thought that downloading movies was only illegal if you burned them onto DVDs and then sold them for profit. I was just in it to see movies I otherwise could not find.
I don't pirate. I have a friend that does, and constantly tells me to, but I still don't... but I honestly just think that pirates will get past it and it will just wasted. It also might harm others who didn't think to put a password on their internet, which is their fault but sometimes it happens.
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That's pretty much the dumbest statement I've ever heard. Whatever software they're using to detect allegedly illegal downloads has no way of knowing if the download is actually illegal. I could be downloading a bunch of freeware stuff that happens to be large enough to require a torrent file. I could be downloading a digital copy of a film or book I've already legally purchased. I could be replacing a game I've legally purchased but lost or damaged. I could be downloading something that I absolutely cannot find anywhere to purchase. There are any number of legitimate reasons one might use P2P file sharing, but until such time as computers gain the ability to make distinctions in such grey areas, they're punishing both the guilty and the innocent alike.Stall said:
I don't download things I haven't already purchased in some form or another, and this bothers me. Even if computers could make such distinctions as I talked about, it bothers me out of sheer damn principle. As a self-professed libertarian, this strikes me as very Orwellian.
*Looks off the hat rim* Looks like a kuufuffle is happening in the pants. Better send an exploration team to find out whats going on.
Government is gona let the ISP's do what they want....... Well hope for you guys this will be harpooned. But in Canada were safe for now. Last year our government and ISP's were making a big deal of bandwidth limit or something. Which was quite utterly blown out of the water. And since this seems to infringe on privacy. Something we Canadians hold to heart, I don't even know if they'll dare to try to do something like this here. We can be a very vocal people.
Government is gona let the ISP's do what they want....... Well hope for you guys this will be harpooned. But in Canada were safe for now. Last year our government and ISP's were making a big deal of bandwidth limit or something. Which was quite utterly blown out of the water. And since this seems to infringe on privacy. Something we Canadians hold to heart, I don't even know if they'll dare to try to do something like this here. We can be a very vocal people.
